To B or not to B
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
Not signing the last offer was a historic mistake, now let's fix it if it's not too late.
Who do you think you are coming up with statements like that? I'm perfectly happy having said No to the TA. And I know that more than the 51% who said No are happy. My evidence for this statement? - since we all know you love that, can be found in the same source where your "historic mistake" statement came from: Up your arse. Along with your head.
Now turn it in Son and give us all a day off.
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From: America
Not sure what happened to my post but STW, stop it!
Now, if you go read yesterdays Friday Liar, you'll see what I have been talking about. It's a clear warning! Accept what we tell you or else! HPE, TTW, PA, again, are not for us. It's a way for the company to terminate employees and/or contracts. COS 17 is coming. ARAPA will be terminated. We've been here before and all this chest thumping is honestly silly. I bet a lot will sign, as before, because they have nowhere to go and have too much invested here and simply can't leave. You should hear people talking. They already know it's coming and have already said they are staying and will get places in Tung Chung or wherever. Not that many will quit and those check and trainers that keep threatening, won't quit either. Most are really too institutionalized here.
Some MIGHT go but you're being easily replaced. That's what a majority of the check and trainers are doing now is replacing themselves and the rest of us. It's sick to watch.
Go read what has just happened at Jet Airways in India. Take a 30-50% pay cut or we will help you quit.
The HPE talks, I predict will fail, and then the tsunami will come. As I have said before, have your house in order, financially and otherwise. Do not believe the comms coming from the people department or anywhere else. It's a trick. They are trying to tell you we are all friends and when you turn around you get knifed in the back.
Guys and Gals, please, it's coming! Be ready is all I am saying.
All the best but I gots to go!
Now, if you go read yesterdays Friday Liar, you'll see what I have been talking about. It's a clear warning! Accept what we tell you or else! HPE, TTW, PA, again, are not for us. It's a way for the company to terminate employees and/or contracts. COS 17 is coming. ARAPA will be terminated. We've been here before and all this chest thumping is honestly silly. I bet a lot will sign, as before, because they have nowhere to go and have too much invested here and simply can't leave. You should hear people talking. They already know it's coming and have already said they are staying and will get places in Tung Chung or wherever. Not that many will quit and those check and trainers that keep threatening, won't quit either. Most are really too institutionalized here.
Some MIGHT go but you're being easily replaced. That's what a majority of the check and trainers are doing now is replacing themselves and the rest of us. It's sick to watch.
Go read what has just happened at Jet Airways in India. Take a 30-50% pay cut or we will help you quit.
The HPE talks, I predict will fail, and then the tsunami will come. As I have said before, have your house in order, financially and otherwise. Do not believe the comms coming from the people department or anywhere else. It's a trick. They are trying to tell you we are all friends and when you turn around you get knifed in the back.
Guys and Gals, please, it's coming! Be ready is all I am saying.
All the best but I gots to go!
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From: America
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Visionary,
Bit early in the day to attack the cleaning cupboard doncha think? Doesn't the Armah get a bit upset that all bottles of cleaning fluids are always empty.
Don't worry, HPE will be hugely successful. Have some faith. Our team will convince the Company that their financial woes are a figment of their imagination and the obvious course of action is to increase HKPA, pay and gift us a generous rock solid RP deal. Medical, Staff Travel and of course Fleet Transfer by Seniority will all be sorted. After all, didn't they just lay off 600 people so they could fund our payrise?
Isn't Brasso wonderful.....
Bit early in the day to attack the cleaning cupboard doncha think? Doesn't the Armah get a bit upset that all bottles of cleaning fluids are always empty.
Don't worry, HPE will be hugely successful. Have some faith. Our team will convince the Company that their financial woes are a figment of their imagination and the obvious course of action is to increase HKPA, pay and gift us a generous rock solid RP deal. Medical, Staff Travel and of course Fleet Transfer by Seniority will all be sorted. After all, didn't they just lay off 600 people so they could fund our payrise?
Isn't Brasso wonderful.....
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From: Nimbus
CX already cut the salary of its most junior pilots by 50% when it implemented HKPA.
Let's not forget that in 2 years, the company will post record profits. Anything we give away now, we will never see again when times are good.
I would prefer we'd come with a good agreement now, but if I have to do another 1.5 years of CC/TB, so be it.
The other new COS I'll sign is if improvements are made. But then I wouldn't have to sign it, would I?
According to your sources, visionary, what changes will have CoS17? Sign or be fired?
As for housing, if they were smart, they would have bought and provided us with company accommodation 19 years ago. Actually, that's all my contract stipulates. Provide me with suitable accommodation which will reflect the market. No my fault if the market in Hong Kong is the most expensive in the planet.
Don't want to pay? Give me a base!
Chinese airlines are paying big bucks AND offer commuting contracts. It's not that hard.
What's the point about staying in Hong Kong if they make my lifestyle much worse than at home?
Let's not forget that in 2 years, the company will post record profits. Anything we give away now, we will never see again when times are good.
I would prefer we'd come with a good agreement now, but if I have to do another 1.5 years of CC/TB, so be it.
The other new COS I'll sign is if improvements are made. But then I wouldn't have to sign it, would I?
According to your sources, visionary, what changes will have CoS17? Sign or be fired?
As for housing, if they were smart, they would have bought and provided us with company accommodation 19 years ago. Actually, that's all my contract stipulates. Provide me with suitable accommodation which will reflect the market. No my fault if the market in Hong Kong is the most expensive in the planet.
Don't want to pay? Give me a base!
Chinese airlines are paying big bucks AND offer commuting contracts. It's not that hard.
What's the point about staying in Hong Kong if they make my lifestyle much worse than at home?
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From: one country, one system
What is the point of discussing what should or could have been done 10 or 20 years ago?
All I am saying is that B scalers are risking a lot for very little to gain at the moment.
So little I don't even know what it is we are exactly fighting for.
What has CC or the training ban achieved in 2 years?
Nothing.
What is there to lose for B scalers?
Everything.
Makes no sense to me.
"We only make peace with our enemies"
All I am saying is that B scalers are risking a lot for very little to gain at the moment.
So little I don't even know what it is we are exactly fighting for.
What has CC or the training ban achieved in 2 years?
Nothing.
What is there to lose for B scalers?
Everything.
Makes no sense to me.
"We only make peace with our enemies"
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From: The Dirty South
I think this will apply to you more specifically:
"When these five kinds of spy are all at work, none can discover the secret system. This is called "divine manipulation of the threads."
- Sun Tzu
For your Union brothers, this will be more useful when reading your posts:
"We must also be on our guard against traitors who may lie in close covert, secretly spying out our weaknesses and overhearing our instructions."
- Chang Yu, commentary on The Art of War
