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Hong Kong Airlines (HKA)

Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:36
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Aaah .....re your edited post, I see you've used your usual retort to anyone who questions your dubious agenda.
Nope, not management, just a normal line pilot with similar grievances to everyone else who's just fed up with your Relentless Holier than thou posts calling for everyone less fortunate than you to leave so as to improve the ones who stay's terms and conditions while you have absolutely nothing to lose.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:37
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Wrong on both counts by the way
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:39
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I doubt that. Dubious agenda? My only agenda is calling out the malignancy that is our management, and people like you who seem to support the destruction of our profession, and a once great airline. And i'm not 'calling' for others to leave. Just giving them the benefit of my almost 40 years in the industry to point out that there is no career left in CX (because of people with your attitude), and that they should not miss out on the best hiring environment this industry has seen in decades. Or do you think a career of ever degrading conditions, in the worlds most polluted and expensive city is a better bet? If so, stay...and get back to me in 20 years time.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:47
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Seniority is a very big deal in the airline biz. And there are HUGE fights that go on when one airline simply merges with another over this.

I think folks are understandably upset over the years of stolen seniority which has occurred due to our falling off the cliff as of late. Things changed, and significantly changed for the worse--with no fault of the worker bees. No doubt anyone working here can get a decent job and make something out of it. But losing the invested years kind of sucks. Not the first carrier to go down this path and not the last. But I think many were expecting better.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:51
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If you're so bitter, so unhappy with your lot, so relentless in your desire to get people to leave! so vociferously opposed to anyone with a differing opinion to you, and you've not got long to go go anyway, then Why on Earth are you still here. How can you question everyone's motives to stay or join when yours are surely the most questionable?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:52
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Trafalgar, why don't you let others figure that all out for themselves
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 20:01
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Ok. I suppose we could apply that logic to everything: (dad, I don't need driving lessons, just give me the car keys...). That is exactly what CX management want: each pilot to waste the next 20+ years 'figuring it out', only to then find themselves trapped. Somehow I don't see that happening anymore, and you can now compete with the rest of the worlds airlines in attracting, training and RETAINING experienced aviators. Good luck with that, considering the present pathetic package, and even more pathetic treatment of your pilots. Anyway, you and your management lackeys can enjoy your bonus's, and congratulate yourself on a great 'balance-sheet' year (well, minus the fuel hedge...). All the best in 2018. Will be far less of us to worry about than 2017.

(oh, and even when I have left, i'll still be here shining the light on what has become arguably THE worst management in the modern airline industry)
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 21:46
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This was a very decent thread about conditions at HKA, a very relevant topic considering many are weighing their options at the moment. Could we please take the endless bickering about CX to the not inconsiderable amount of threads devoted to all matters CX?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Shutterbug View Post
This was a very decent thread about conditions at HKA, a very relevant topic considering many are weighing their options at the moment. Could we please take the endless bickering about CX to the not inconsiderable amount of threads devoted to all matters CX?
Yes, letís talk about the conditions at HKA, a LCC in the worldís most expensive and polluted city. That IS, after all, the new low bar CX has for its pilots. Nevermind one of the worldís largest cargo networks and an iconic global brand built up over many decades. Letís shoot to be like HKA. Letís hire inexperienced pilots with low English skills and just do lip service to safety. Sounds about right. Do I have a second?

P.S. Just say no. Say no to people like Sorvad and Morning Coffee. Say no to new contracts and other cuts to your conditions. This too shall pass...
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 22:52
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You see there you go again Trafalgar...you're letting your own personal vitriol get in the way of the facts...for want of an over used hackneyed phrase you're playing the man and not the ball.
I'm not the enemy I'm a line pilot very far removed from management, but that just doesn't fit with your preconception of anyone who questions your agenda, so your knee jerk reaction is abuse.
I'm as perplexed, frustrated and pissed off as the next man with what's going on with our Company, but that's not my issue, my problem as I've said are your relentless rants on this forum for others to go where you don't seem prepared to .......you are a Senior ex Training Captain who is calling for junior impressionable young crew members to leave and go and find something better.....have you any idea what life is like at other employers around the world.?....have you any experience outside of Cathay that qualifies you to proclaim that life out there is so much better?
What I don't like about you Trafalgar is that you are that Cowardly whistle blower sending those under you over the top whilst you hunker down in the safety of your trench and wait for things to get better
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 22:55
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Errr cxorcist, just what are you saying no to?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 22:56
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And what are you Sorvad? A fighter or something else? Iím really curious. You do seem very pro management. Do you think CX is a well managed airline? Have you been treated well here? Have your more junior colleagues? How do you justify your position? I find your trench analogy a bit presumptuous. Have you ever been in one? Or even a shooting war for that matter? Iím betting your fortunes have been largely connected to the spilt blood of other countriesí men.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 22:59
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I’d say he’s doing you a favor. If you’re too blind to see it, well then, enjoy a crap career.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 23:02
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Originally Posted by sorvad View Post
Errr cxorcist, just what are you saying no to?
No to cuts of any kind. No to concessionary talks. No to the AOAís spineless drivel. No to discriminatory bonus peddling. No to divide and conquer. No to antiquated rostering. No to extremely fatiguing patterns. No to being asked to pay for hedging losses. Need I go on???
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 23:11
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What a very strange reply Cxorcist
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 23:16
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Cxorcist ...no I haven't been in a shooting war or a trench.... bugger...so sorry if that nullifies my analogy

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Old 24th Dec 2017, 00:28
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I’m sorry Sorbad...Im not buying it!

There is just too much sanctimony in your posts for me to believe that you’re a line pilot...no line pilot who has been here more than five minutes, and endured endless cuts to pay and conditions, would express the tone which your posts exude.

If you were a line pilot, you would be struggling to deal with the pay cut you received in December...perhaps struggling to borrow money to meet your tax obligations...

In fact, the tone of your missives are strikingly similar to the Company comms. The flippancy in your posts give you away as someone who just really doesn’t like pilots. Have you even read the over 700 posts on yammer? Posts expressing viewpoints diametrically opposed to yours?

I invite you to go on yammer, under your real name, and lecture the hundreds of pilots there?
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 00:49
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And yes, I've read every single post on Yammer...Before you guys point the finger you really should try and check your facts
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 00:49
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Originally Posted by sorvad View Post
Cxorcist ...no I haven't been in a shooting war or a trench.... bugger...so sorry if that nullifies my analogy
My point is that youíve probably never fought for anything in your life except your CX command, which Iím guessing you hold pretty near and dear to your heart.

Let me guess, 777? Roster and EFP sweet as pie? House paid off? Grown children out of university? Just finishing up the career? Donít want to make waves but canít pass on the opportunity to come on PPRuNe every so often and talk down to everyone like you do in the cockpit. Long sleeves? Cuff links even? Predictable!
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 00:52
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By the way Raven, just what is it that I might have written that is flippant?
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