CX hiring in the Phils
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Yes you should.
Unjust and ineffective in your eyes.
I don't care if people disagree with me but you continue to ask the same thing time after time. Are you like Bart Simpson, asking the same question until you get the answer you like?
The ban has been in place for 9 months now. Do you think that is going to change without some sort of resolution regarding the reason for implementing it? The members of the AOA are asking people not to join CX. Asking nice obviously wouldn't work so some incentive is needed. Negative reinforcement in the form of the IFALPA ban is an available tool so they chose to use it.
The objective of the union is to protect it's members interests, not new hires. That means keeping as many on the property as possible. That means doing the job while continuing to apply pressure in other ways. If you think for one minute CX wouldn't be on the street taking in DE captains because their FOs decided not to take the upgrade you have no idea who we are dealing with. They have already denied promotion to pilots with even a hint of a "loyalty problem", dozens of pilots. Some think this is a tactic leading to "we don't have enough to promote from within so we are hiring DE Capts and FOs as of now". It's part of the over all attack on the entire seniority system that a certain manager wants eliminated, he has stated so.
So you see some tools are available and some aren't. Industrial relations in HK are difficult. The union is doing it's best in a very hostile environment. So you see wiz the ban isn't going anywhere, learn to live with it. There are a lot of things that aren't fair in this world, maybe this is one of them. Personally I don't want to sit beside anyone that would go against it so I don't have a problem with it.
Unjust and ineffective in your eyes.
I don't care if people disagree with me but you continue to ask the same thing time after time. Are you like Bart Simpson, asking the same question until you get the answer you like?
The ban has been in place for 9 months now. Do you think that is going to change without some sort of resolution regarding the reason for implementing it? The members of the AOA are asking people not to join CX. Asking nice obviously wouldn't work so some incentive is needed. Negative reinforcement in the form of the IFALPA ban is an available tool so they chose to use it.
The objective of the union is to protect it's members interests, not new hires. That means keeping as many on the property as possible. That means doing the job while continuing to apply pressure in other ways. If you think for one minute CX wouldn't be on the street taking in DE captains because their FOs decided not to take the upgrade you have no idea who we are dealing with. They have already denied promotion to pilots with even a hint of a "loyalty problem", dozens of pilots. Some think this is a tactic leading to "we don't have enough to promote from within so we are hiring DE Capts and FOs as of now". It's part of the over all attack on the entire seniority system that a certain manager wants eliminated, he has stated so.
So you see some tools are available and some aren't. Industrial relations in HK are difficult. The union is doing it's best in a very hostile environment. So you see wiz the ban isn't going anywhere, learn to live with it. There are a lot of things that aren't fair in this world, maybe this is one of them. Personally I don't want to sit beside anyone that would go against it so I don't have a problem with it.
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So we let management pick OUR union leader? mmm...
I'm afraid your sources are purveyers of duff gen Pete. Through the probes NJD has offered to withdraw if that will bring a settlement. Answer... deafening silence.
The fact is that management has bad mouthed every Union president we've ever had. Standard industrial posturing. No, Nigel isn't the problem here. Mr T is.
So we let management pick OUR union leader? mmm...
I'm afraid your sources are purveyers of duff gen Pete. Through the probes NJD has offered to withdraw if that will bring a settlement. Answer... deafening silence.
The fact is that management has bad mouthed every Union president we've ever had. Standard industrial posturing. No, Nigel isn't the problem here. Mr T is.
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Standard "he said, she said" stuff, I'm only repeating what I heard. I guess then there are several CX pilots who are unwitting purveyors of false rumours, doesn't exactly flatter their intelligence but there it is.
My remarks weren't to slag ND, no he isn't the "problem", if there were a way to verify what you say of his offering to resign it would certainly erase what I've been hearing...
And as far as the ban/no ban, of course the union is expected to act in it's own best interests. 6 under, if you re-read wiz' argument several times, slowly, you may realize the point being made is that maybe, just maybe, the ban is NOT in the best interests of the everluvin' AOA...but if you believe it is, hey then congrats on sticking to it! I've always said, the best moral convictions to have are the ones that don't take any effort to exercise. And heck, it's only been nine months, gotta give these things some time... Plus, in the interim it's jolly good sport to call the new hires in the middle of the night, wot?!
Quite frankly, (frankg-ly?) this has all been covered ad nauseum. I'll check back in another nine months to see what stunning gains the IFALPA ban has reaped....good luck to yer!
Standard "he said, she said" stuff, I'm only repeating what I heard. I guess then there are several CX pilots who are unwitting purveyors of false rumours, doesn't exactly flatter their intelligence but there it is.
My remarks weren't to slag ND, no he isn't the "problem", if there were a way to verify what you say of his offering to resign it would certainly erase what I've been hearing...
And as far as the ban/no ban, of course the union is expected to act in it's own best interests. 6 under, if you re-read wiz' argument several times, slowly, you may realize the point being made is that maybe, just maybe, the ban is NOT in the best interests of the everluvin' AOA...but if you believe it is, hey then congrats on sticking to it! I've always said, the best moral convictions to have are the ones that don't take any effort to exercise. And heck, it's only been nine months, gotta give these things some time... Plus, in the interim it's jolly good sport to call the new hires in the middle of the night, wot?!
Quite frankly, (frankg-ly?) this has all been covered ad nauseum. I'll check back in another nine months to see what stunning gains the IFALPA ban has reaped....good luck to yer!
Last edited by PeterZee; 6th Jul 2002 at 19:05.
ironbutt.......that was a silly comment. Some people have done it very hard in the Philipines and comments like that do not elp. You may have your own agenda and you certainly have every right to broadcast your views (which you do monotonously) but rubbing others noses in their misfortune is unneccessary and unkind.
