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Actually, it is 'poor form' for individuals to be in a voluntary position training pilots who are on lesser conditions than themselves; their eventual replacements.
Certainly not 'giving something back' to the industry; more like contributing to the race to the bottom.
The letter is a start, but it should be followed by resignations from these voluntary checking and training positions. Then you might gain some respect. If the system is that broken, you should not be part of it.
Certainly not 'giving something back' to the industry; more like contributing to the race to the bottom.
The letter is a start, but it should be followed by resignations from these voluntary checking and training positions. Then you might gain some respect. If the system is that broken, you should not be part of it.
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Many of you have been entirely wrong on who the very polite requests -not demand - came from. You can all group up and send similar letters to where it counts in the same way though.
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Captain Dart,
Why the hate? You don't want to be part of Team Zero-to-Hero?
You know what they say... Those who can't fly, train. Those who can't train, check.
I also agree it was naive of anyone who signed that letter to think it would stay private. And also why would you want a letter like that private? Exactly what has in accomplished in the almost one month it's been out there?
Why the hate? You don't want to be part of Team Zero-to-Hero?
You know what they say... Those who can't fly, train. Those who can't train, check.
I also agree it was naive of anyone who signed that letter to think it would stay private. And also why would you want a letter like that private? Exactly what has in accomplished in the almost one month it's been out there?
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Focus on the enemy
FGS guys and gals, focus on the enemy! The training department are not the enemy.
The management *ssholes are the enemy. The management *ssholes running a campaign to destroy our safety record are the enemy.
The DCP Towers is right. Everyone, right now send a letter to the DFO stating your concerns. Copy the AOA's attorneys.
Focus.
The management *ssholes are the enemy. The management *ssholes running a campaign to destroy our safety record are the enemy.
The DCP Towers is right. Everyone, right now send a letter to the DFO stating your concerns. Copy the AOA's attorneys.
Focus.
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As I reread the above letter from the C&Ters, a recurring thought keeps surfacing in my mind. IT'S OUR FAULT!!! Yes, management has pushed us to the brink, but we allow ourselves to be pushed to the brink. Honestly, show of hands... How many of you book off on preemptive sick calls? By that, I mean unfitness calls where you are not actually sick yet, relationships are not actually failing yet, the bills are not actually overdue yet, etc. So many of us are "suck it up, get it done" types of personality that we are literally selling ourselves (mind, body, and soul) to CX for a degrading pittance of a living. Most of us are far more talented than this job requires. We are whoring ourselves for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. Why???
I believe it is time for a review of sickness management. It would be imprudent to post the Company's SMS programme here, but I will give you some tactics in case you do not know already. The only attendance record you should concern yourself with is the last 12 months. Some call it a rolling twelve months. In the last twelve months, you should strive to keep your sickness calls (Unfit for reason other than fatigue, ASRF) to a number of 3 or 4, preferably 4. The number of days you have booked off in the last twelve months should be in the high teens or low twenties depending on your number of sick calls respectively. This leaves you at all times with at least one more sick call and a long string of days in case you catch a cold or the flu. Think about it, this is an extra three weeks leave every year that you can take whenever you want. Sound good? Might help?
I highly recommend that you get a sickness note for each event, but this is not required, yet. Keep in mind that you do not have to be sick to go to the doctor. Make an appointment, and tell him/her what is going on. You can't sleep for more than a few hours at a time. You are run down and tired. You can't concentrate for very long. You feel like you are always on the verge of getting sick. Your relationships are suffering at home. You think you might be drinking to much. Yada, yada, yada...
If the any of above is a chronic problem, and a couple weeks off don't fix things. It is probably time to go see the flight doc and tell him/her what is up. They will pull your medical but not to worry, you will get it back after an extended period of rest and relaxation. They have to do this. It is their job. Like you, they have an obligation to the traveling public. This works to your benefit, not your detriment. You DO NOT want to be that guy who screwed up and got people injured or killed. All but the newest of our pilots have all been there, flying when we shouldn't be. LEARN from those times.
In closing, stop killing yourselves! Repetitious three man long haul will make this much worse. Two man WOCL is just plain unsafe and stupid. I would not do that, period. Just book off unfit. You are not able to sit in the seat for 9 hours and then do a landing, ever. That hardly makes you a wimp. This Company not only does not care for you, they despise you. They resent everything about you. They dislike that you make "too much". They dislike that you work counter to their bonuses. They dislike that you are not a machine with an on/off switch. They dislike any esteem that you may get from being a "pilot". They resent that they have to pay you housing, or that they had to pay for your flight training. They resent that they have to pay for your kids to go to school. In short, they HATE you. They LOVE when you are tired, worn down, looking like **** (note the uniforms), disorganized with failing relationships, living in a tiny crappy apartment, and selling yourselves on days off to pay your ex. They would just assume you drop dead the day after you taxi under the water cannons so you cannot use retiree staff travel. I am not kidding.
I believe it is time for a review of sickness management. It would be imprudent to post the Company's SMS programme here, but I will give you some tactics in case you do not know already. The only attendance record you should concern yourself with is the last 12 months. Some call it a rolling twelve months. In the last twelve months, you should strive to keep your sickness calls (Unfit for reason other than fatigue, ASRF) to a number of 3 or 4, preferably 4. The number of days you have booked off in the last twelve months should be in the high teens or low twenties depending on your number of sick calls respectively. This leaves you at all times with at least one more sick call and a long string of days in case you catch a cold or the flu. Think about it, this is an extra three weeks leave every year that you can take whenever you want. Sound good? Might help?
I highly recommend that you get a sickness note for each event, but this is not required, yet. Keep in mind that you do not have to be sick to go to the doctor. Make an appointment, and tell him/her what is going on. You can't sleep for more than a few hours at a time. You are run down and tired. You can't concentrate for very long. You feel like you are always on the verge of getting sick. Your relationships are suffering at home. You think you might be drinking to much. Yada, yada, yada...
If the any of above is a chronic problem, and a couple weeks off don't fix things. It is probably time to go see the flight doc and tell him/her what is up. They will pull your medical but not to worry, you will get it back after an extended period of rest and relaxation. They have to do this. It is their job. Like you, they have an obligation to the traveling public. This works to your benefit, not your detriment. You DO NOT want to be that guy who screwed up and got people injured or killed. All but the newest of our pilots have all been there, flying when we shouldn't be. LEARN from those times.
In closing, stop killing yourselves! Repetitious three man long haul will make this much worse. Two man WOCL is just plain unsafe and stupid. I would not do that, period. Just book off unfit. You are not able to sit in the seat for 9 hours and then do a landing, ever. That hardly makes you a wimp. This Company not only does not care for you, they despise you. They resent everything about you. They dislike that you make "too much". They dislike that you work counter to their bonuses. They dislike that you are not a machine with an on/off switch. They dislike any esteem that you may get from being a "pilot". They resent that they have to pay you housing, or that they had to pay for your flight training. They resent that they have to pay for your kids to go to school. In short, they HATE you. They LOVE when you are tired, worn down, looking like **** (note the uniforms), disorganized with failing relationships, living in a tiny crappy apartment, and selling yourselves on days off to pay your ex. They would just assume you drop dead the day after you taxi under the water cannons so you cannot use retiree staff travel. I am not kidding.
Since the chairman of the HKAOA seems to be taking direction from you, you mind if we just organize a sickout? None of this, yeah, call unfit when you're not, do it four times a year, but, no no... that's not officially what we, the HKAOA want you to do. But yeah, that IS what we want you do it!
If we're going to do it, let's man up and do it. We're floundering, and it's time, cxorcist, to start leading! WHAT WILL THE INTERNET TELL US TO DO???
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We cannot counter act guerrilla warfare so don't put your head up or we will chop it off. We have done it in the past to people who have stood up against us and will not hesitate to do it again.
The thing about Guerrilla Warfare is we don't know where it is coming from and have very little defenses to deal with it.
If we know there is a sick out or a golf day, we then know who to target and put you on our list, but if it is random, we don't know whom to target.
Please do a mass sick out so we can terminate some pilots.
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The thing about Guerrilla Warfare is we don't know where it is coming from and have very little defenses to deal with it.
If we know there is a sick out or a golf day, we then know who to target and put you on our list, but if it is random, we don't know whom to target.
Please do a mass sick out so we can terminate some pilots.
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Hilarious. Threaten the very same tactic that has mired the company in over a decade of lawsuits and restitution. From the very top, "We will not go down that route again" (and that is fact). And btw, if there is a 'mass sickout', how do you know whom amongst them is not genuinely sick? Whether organised or not, there is nothing the company can do about it. If you are 'sick', book off. End of.
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Hilarious. Threaten the very same tactic that has mired the company in over a decade of lawsuits and restitution. From the very top, "We will not go down that route again" (and that is fact). And btw, if there is a 'mass sickout', how do you know whom amongst them is not genuinely sick? Whether organised or not, there is nothing the company can do about it. If you are 'sick', book off. End of.
Then again, maybe there is a sort of a pattern; the more unstable the rosters get the more this thing tends to happen and ripple through. You flip the clock around a few times, throw in a couple of long hauls, throw in some unpredictable reserves with launches outside the window, folks stay awake for long periods of time and their body brakes down and gets sick. Go figure. Kind of ironic in that the company creates it's own 'industrial action' which isn't really industrial action at all; just folks breaking.
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There doesn't need to be a sickout...
There doesn't need to be a sickout, just don't go to work when you are not fit or not rested to safely complete the duty. The sick rate will be greater than 3 - 4 times per annum.
How often have you flown single pilot, with the other pilot asleep in the seat? Followed Controlled Rest procedures? Submitted ASR-F? If you need controlled rest you should have signed on. If you plan on using controlled rest you are breaking the regs.
If you aren't able to safely complete the duty, don't do it. If it is due to insufficient rest, tell Crew Control and ask if there is a suitable duty. Even if you are on reserve you don't have to accept whatever they throw at you. File an ASR-F.
We have enabled the company's piss poor management for too long. Time to be a rational, responsible professional. Its not hard. The company doesn't give a ****, it is time for us to step up and be professionals about it all.
How often have you flown single pilot, with the other pilot asleep in the seat? Followed Controlled Rest procedures? Submitted ASR-F? If you need controlled rest you should have signed on. If you plan on using controlled rest you are breaking the regs.
If you aren't able to safely complete the duty, don't do it. If it is due to insufficient rest, tell Crew Control and ask if there is a suitable duty. Even if you are on reserve you don't have to accept whatever they throw at you. File an ASR-F.
We have enabled the company's piss poor management for too long. Time to be a rational, responsible professional. Its not hard. The company doesn't give a ****, it is time for us to step up and be professionals about it all.
