"Catastrophic failure" of ATC system
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What a useless manufacturer! Apart from India and Dubai, does anyone know if this company can sell this product to any other countries?
TOIL, would you please use a bigger fonts size cos I almost read "ddg" as "dog".
TOIL, would you please use a bigger fonts size cos I almost read "ddg" as "dog".
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Raytheon sold it to the Canadian as CAATS. It was 11 years delayed.
It managed to complete, only when the Canadian government sacked the department in 1996 and dumped the whole ATC business everything on NavCan.
NavCan actually took the final system delivered by RTN, and re-worked it to made it usable eventually. They might know the system better than RTN.
CAATS was actually developed by the Richmond branch of RTN/Hughes in Canada, there are numbers of HK migrants worked in that development team now backed in HK working in the airport area.
It managed to complete, only when the Canadian government sacked the department in 1996 and dumped the whole ATC business everything on NavCan.
NavCan actually took the final system delivered by RTN, and re-worked it to made it usable eventually. They might know the system better than RTN.
CAATS was actually developed by the Richmond branch of RTN/Hughes in Canada, there are numbers of HK migrants worked in that development team now backed in HK working in the airport area.
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Anyone knows what the NATS said about our new system? Ready to go operational in the midst of this year like what DG and its muppet swore in the LEGCO interrogation?
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NATS is running systems developed in the 70s this days.
Their system has much higher failure rate than their European counterparts, yet they managed to get away with statistics, just because the French and Spanish controller strikes more.
I remembered reading somewhere, their CEO mentioned the most unreliable element in a ATC system is the system user. sound a bit like the factory worker analogy to me.
Their system has much higher failure rate than their European counterparts, yet they managed to get away with statistics, just because the French and Spanish controller strikes more.
I remembered reading somewhere, their CEO mentioned the most unreliable element in a ATC system is the system user. sound a bit like the factory worker analogy to me.
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NATS: Bumpy ride ahead as data system crashes
Nats 'regrets' chaos caused by computer glitch:
Nats 'regrets' chaos caused by computer glitch - BBC News
Flight disruption: Air traffic control glitch has been 'rectified' - BBC News
NATS ignored previous recommendations – IT cock-up report
NATS ignored previous recommendations ? IT cock-up report ? The Register
From our forum:
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/552...closed-10.html
Key events in Nats diary
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1992: system contract for new air traffic control system let to IBM Federal Systems. Target operational date is 1996
1998: Commons Select Committee criticises Nats over Swanwick
Spring 2000: parliament debates plans to sell 51% share in Nats
October 2000: planned technical handover of Swanwick
January 2001: conversion training for air traffic controllers
Spring 2002: final deadline for Swanwick to go into operational use
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1992: system contract for new air traffic control system let to IBM Federal Systems. Target operational date is 1996
1998: Commons Select Committee criticises Nats over Swanwick
Spring 2000: parliament debates plans to sell 51% share in Nats
October 2000: planned technical handover of Swanwick
January 2001: conversion training for air traffic controllers
Spring 2002: final deadline for Swanwick to go into operational use
Nats 'regrets' chaos caused by computer glitch - BBC News
Flight disruption: Air traffic control glitch has been 'rectified' - BBC News
NATS ignored previous recommendations – IT cock-up report
NATS ignored previous recommendations ? IT cock-up report ? The Register
From our forum:
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/552...closed-10.html
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From the persons that know....
"CAD loves NATS coz they can manipulate them.
Top brass badgers the hi tech kid into changing his retired consultants recommendations.
Spinning whatever the CAD wants to hear and tell Bureau.
NATS is no longer considered world's best practice. Just adept at churning out endless reports with what CAD officers already knew. Sounds better if it comes from an "expert" of course."
Too much secrecies in CAD now. Unhelthy situation. Lot of whispering going on.
"CAD loves NATS coz they can manipulate them.
Top brass badgers the hi tech kid into changing his retired consultants recommendations.
Spinning whatever the CAD wants to hear and tell Bureau.
NATS is no longer considered world's best practice. Just adept at churning out endless reports with what CAD officers already knew. Sounds better if it comes from an "expert" of course."
Too much secrecies in CAD now. Unhelthy situation. Lot of whispering going on.
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NATS is not the air safety authority of UK. They have long been investigated for safety by UK's Civil Aviation Authority.
If one main purpose of hiring those NATS expert was to investigate the new systems safety, then, I am not so sure they are the right expert in safety investigation. On the other hand, They definitely had longer/better experiences in dueling with government for long delayed projects.
If one main purpose of hiring those NATS expert was to investigate the new systems safety, then, I am not so sure they are the right expert in safety investigation. On the other hand, They definitely had longer/better experiences in dueling with government for long delayed projects.
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Our project friend showed me that all the "smart" guys inventing the "23-month" magic figure back in 2006 have happily retired, leaving us as the victims.
Yet, the remaining one from the same "smart" group will soon collect his lump sum and monthly cash, crossing fingers to see our show. Hey, do something !
Yet, the remaining one from the same "smart" group will soon collect his lump sum and monthly cash, crossing fingers to see our show. Hey, do something !
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Guys, no need to provide comment in each training and briefing. Just need to nod your head and respond with yea, oh yea, good yea......it is too late to give any comment. All project team members are now yes man like the woman who also swings her head when her boss gives a speech......yes sir yes sir yes madam.
Behave a good boy & girl, don't be a trouble maker.
Mr 23 is not DG who is just a deciple, the true Mr 23 is the head of A.Year.Air.Dill.
Behave a good boy & girl, don't be a trouble maker.
Mr 23 is not DG who is just a deciple, the true Mr 23 is the head of A.Year.Air.Dill.
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There is this generation of manager, who were trained and brain washed with academic business theories that superior management process and system does not require technical know-hows and morals. superior management system can even make a dog more productive than human.
he is not alone at all for making the "factory worker" analogy.
he is not alone at all for making the "factory worker" analogy.
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Hong Kong to build third runway; will impose passenger levy | Airports & Routes content from ATWOnline
The Hong Kong Airport Authority (HKAA) will add a surcharge on all departing passenger tickets from Aug. 1, 2016, to help fund the construction of a third runway at Hong Kong International Airport (HKG).
The fee, called an Airport Construction Fee (ACF), will apply to departing passengers including both origin-destination and transit-transfer travelers using HKG.
The charge will vary according to the type of flight—long-haul or short-haul—and the class of cabin used by the passengers. It will vary from HK$70 ($9) for economy short-haul to HK$180 for business long-haul users at the airport, with a slight reduction for passengers using transit facilities only.
HKAA said it expects around 70% of passengers using HKG will pay less than HK$90 on each ACF ticket levy.
“We have considered a number of factors [in introducing the ACF], including … the additional cost imposed on passengers, and maintaining HKG’s competitiveness as a hub airport,” HKAA CEO Fred Lam said.
The airport is targeting 2023 for completion of the new runway, which will include an extra terminal and taxiways, and cost an estimated HK$141.5 billion.
Work is scheduled to begin on the new runway in Aug. 2016, and the collection of the ACF will continue “until all borrowings related to the third runway project have been fully repaid,” said HKAA in a statement.
HKG saw 68.5 million passengers in 2015, and it handled 4.38 million tonnes of cargo during the same period. The extra runway is expected to boost these to 102 million passengers and 8.9 million tonnes of cargo by 2030.
The Hong Kong Airport Authority (HKAA) will add a surcharge on all departing passenger tickets from Aug. 1, 2016, to help fund the construction of a third runway at Hong Kong International Airport (HKG).
The fee, called an Airport Construction Fee (ACF), will apply to departing passengers including both origin-destination and transit-transfer travelers using HKG.
The charge will vary according to the type of flight—long-haul or short-haul—and the class of cabin used by the passengers. It will vary from HK$70 ($9) for economy short-haul to HK$180 for business long-haul users at the airport, with a slight reduction for passengers using transit facilities only.
HKAA said it expects around 70% of passengers using HKG will pay less than HK$90 on each ACF ticket levy.
“We have considered a number of factors [in introducing the ACF], including … the additional cost imposed on passengers, and maintaining HKG’s competitiveness as a hub airport,” HKAA CEO Fred Lam said.
The airport is targeting 2023 for completion of the new runway, which will include an extra terminal and taxiways, and cost an estimated HK$141.5 billion.
Work is scheduled to begin on the new runway in Aug. 2016, and the collection of the ACF will continue “until all borrowings related to the third runway project have been fully repaid,” said HKAA in a statement.
HKG saw 68.5 million passengers in 2015, and it handled 4.38 million tonnes of cargo during the same period. The extra runway is expected to boost these to 102 million passengers and 8.9 million tonnes of cargo by 2030.
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The ex-assistant director of marine department and senior ship inspector were both sentenced to jail what about CAD testing team of the rubbish atc system? will they also go to jail?