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Old 7th Dec 2015, 06:20
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Anyone seen the UK NTS report?
Are we going to have another catastrophic system failure?
 
Old 7th Dec 2015, 12:38
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ANC just had one maJOR Failure last Sat.

"Catastrophic" option though is not available.
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Old 8th Dec 2015, 09:39
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ANC just had one maJOR Failure last Sat.

"Catastrophic" option though is not available.
Improvement noted, please practise more. Elaborate how "major" was it.
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Old 8th Dec 2015, 13:45
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Our good neighbor had just stopped talking to us, for a tiny little one hour only.
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Old 9th Dec 2015, 01:41
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ATC System

The Transport and Housing Bureau have no faith in our clever DG anymore after the Legco report, they have asked NATS to evaluate AT3 before commissioning it. For our leaders to hold their heads up as if nothing has happened is shameful, they must be trying hard now to pamper NATS so that the report will not be so damaging. We will still be the victims of their mistakes and they will collect their big pension regardless.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 23:26
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I would also be interested to kown what would the UK NATS report say our crappy air traffic control system. Anyone knows?
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 09:12
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The UK NATS report might say this:

CAD to scale down the ATC operation and hand over the appoach airspace to Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Zhuhai. We can only run business on enoute. Sounds reasonable?
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 12:58
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vhhhatc:

After reading all these posts and another thread, the heading of this thread can be changed to "Catastrophic Failure of Management", please consider.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 14:08
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I would also be interested to kown what would the UK NATS report say our crappy air traffic control system. Anyone knows?
Well, These so called independent expert reports can be always influenced by the whom paying for it.
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Old 13th Dec 2015, 12:00
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Our management should apology to us that they made mistake in buying this unusable system and beg for LEGCO to grant another sum of money for a less aggressive system - ddgca/adg(yes) don't bluff to outstation that we are number one in the region anymore. Meanwhile, spend more money to upkeep the current system until the new one is ready. Controller only need a simple system not the current fake new system or other famous brand world class system as we don't have money, no manpower and no time.

Management, please listen, this is all about safety.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 15:26
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Controller only need a simple system not the current fake new system or other famous brand world class system as we don't have money, no manpower and no time.
Picking the wrong system was just one thing, AT3 is just part of the whole new system in the new CADHQ.

We are not trying to replace AT1 with AT3 on our existing more stabilized system here. we are actually trying to build everything brand new from scratch, spreading resources thin for every project.

In fact, AT3 can be made to work with existing AT1 sub systems. all the testing run so far, with life data came from the old system.

Even we decided to build everything brand new, if RTN was the lead integrator for the whole system, then pressure will be on them to complete everything on time on order before everything can be integrated then they get their money. yet, the decision was made to integrate everything ourself, not to mentioned, with our technical skills from the AT1 era.

Listening they may be, but look at the decision so far, i doubt how their next one would be....................
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 15:36
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I was wondering, How can an investigation report be balanced and independent, if they don't get the story from both sides.
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Old 17th Dec 2015, 13:57
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The latest RTN patch just managed to unfix the FDP a little further. but off course, it is all under control as expected.
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Old 18th Dec 2015, 12:49
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Don't worry, FDP is not a core system, there are many other more important core systems in our grand ATMS that FDP can be ignored. We are going to have paper system and very soon SOO(P)1+3 will call for staff consultation of paper size....A3, A2, .....or a clip board. If we make more noise again, they will give us toilet paper roll in each position for recording the flight data.
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Old 18th Dec 2015, 22:14
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no problem, you got FDP, it is even more positive this time. The Fallback just refused to site there doing nothing, so it became the 2nd Main to double the flight data for you, free of charge. that is double positive.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 14:18
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no problem, you got FDP, it is even more positive this time. The Fallback just refused to site there doing nothing, so it became the 2nd Main to double the flight data for you, free of charge. that is double positive.
youknowwho, I really appreciate you made so many posts and I try to understand each post you made. It is a pleasure to read the posts as long as you make your point easy to understand. Thanks.
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Old 28th Dec 2015, 09:58
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vhhhatc

Any update on this subject? Or you are just a copy&paste and then walk away??
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 08:32
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Oriental Newspaper today-
???? ????????? ?????? - ????

Although the newspaper said 4.2、3.8、4.1、3.7 nautical miles are no good, but I think 3.7 or even 3 nautical miles are also legally ok and not very catastrophic.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 11:42
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The fluctuating ruler scale is an as-per-design world class feature, only in Aids-Tear-Fear, specially designed for pragmatic Hong Kong controller. They thought you liked it?!
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Another 2=5 boy's work on Monday.....
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