"Catastrophic failure" of ATC system
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We are getting too personal. The system is a crap, no country is going to buy it, country using it is going to get rid of it, country about to use it is having birth pain regularly. The focus is on the system not on person although that fugitive, instead of our beloved DG, should be deplored. Shame of you next time you return to HK. 
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We are getting too personal. The system is a crap, no country is going to buy it, country using it is going to get rid of it, country about to use it is having birth pain regularly. The focus is on the system not on person although that fugitive, instead of our beloved DG, should be deplored. Shame of you next time you return to HK.
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Are you sure it is clear to land? it may be just another left behind Oz in project who is doing nothing good to anyone that everyone knows him stays away from him. Tell Mama you can fix the current situation.
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Of course, we local are the BEST, blame everything on gweiloes then we will be fine. Mama is so proud of you.
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The stubbornness of procedure design make the system less efficient. Hearsay the crashes during training and testing were due to the wrong adaptation which should not be a surprise to me, that IT boy creates lots of damage to us.
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Adaptation takes more than IT.
I doubt even the adaptation system itself was done properly at the first place.
Ask everyone else in the world. All Main, Fallback, Sim, Dev systems could share the one SINGLE adaptation station only. not to mention, how many user it allows?
If the spec is written by the Ozzie. He should known well enough how the French prepared the dataset for ASA to validate and verify.
That is the stuff you paid for yet doing it yourself here in HK.
Stop talking about IT, you got Engineer here, they are not real IT people. yet engineer here are in fact coordinator only.
I doubt even the adaptation system itself was done properly at the first place.
Ask everyone else in the world. All Main, Fallback, Sim, Dev systems could share the one SINGLE adaptation station only. not to mention, how many user it allows?
If the spec is written by the Ozzie. He should known well enough how the French prepared the dataset for ASA to validate and verify.
That is the stuff you paid for yet doing it yourself here in HK.
Stop talking about IT, you got Engineer here, they are not real IT people. yet engineer here are in fact coordinator only.
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To minimise the scale of failure, implement AT3 on Approach stream first. The approach people are all 
on this system, all their comments are positive (the negative comments are all shredded). Almost none in Area stream said AT3 is usable in enroute and terminal sectors. Approach stream is always protected, they are given the best conditions and first try on this remarkable system 
......Jealous!
on this system, all their comments are positive (the negative comments are all shredded). Almost none in Area stream said AT3 is usable in enroute and terminal sectors. Approach stream is always protected, they are given the best conditions and first try on this remarkable system ......Jealous!
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What I can say is we are all cheated by this company who sold us this rubbish machine. The curry people and middle east are giving up this junk but we are still embracing it then so be it. You have no choice as the current one is dying; furthermore, an unusable new ATC system could post big hurdle on the third runway project that management has to say we are satisfactory to the progress. Let us see how far they can cover up this skunk. They show up in the course critique are only giving us placebo and in fact don't care what we said in the course critique in the conversion training. The unit who formulates the procedures is hopeless. Nothing! Nothing they can do with this garbage system.
You have two choices: Work on this skunk machine or resign.
You have two choices: Work on this skunk machine or resign.
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The unit who formulates the procedures is hopeless.
They are ATCOs just like you ( only better) and are grappling with a system that even the vendor seems to know little about. I would venture to say there are a couple of people in that Unit who know more than RTN about the system. One in particular. Without him, CAD would be doomed.
Feel free to put your money where your mouth is and ask to join the Unit and develop procedures you think are better.
No?
Thought not. Spineless, loud mouth people are like that.
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Without him, CAD would be doomed.
Bekol needs to write him a very very very good staff report every year to keep him motivated to avoid a doomed cad. 
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I don't need become a master chef to know what taste bad.
On the other hand, I believe RTN knew too well how their system is really like, but they are not doing charity, what is point of expose everything to you. Off course, they can't stop you exploring yourself and find tricks a get around a few problems. but is the right way to fix problems?
Sure there are million options you can try, sure there is a change you may get this Frankenstein to animate a bit, or even you can develop procedures to work without AT3. Sure the ball will leave you one day, but it will not take long to come back to burn you harder.
On the other hand, I believe RTN knew too well how their system is really like, but they are not doing charity, what is point of expose everything to you. Off course, they can't stop you exploring yourself and find tricks a get around a few problems. but is the right way to fix problems?
Sure there are million options you can try, sure there is a change you may get this Frankenstein to animate a bit, or even you can develop procedures to work without AT3. Sure the ball will leave you one day, but it will not take long to come back to burn you harder.
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The argument here is not about whether who/how/what the system can be further worked. it is not about the system at all.
The problem is who landed us into this situation at the first place? how long has this been going on? and still push to go on.
I just don't feel doing myself any good for helping those people rolling the ball around.
The problem is who landed us into this situation at the first place? how long has this been going on? and still push to go on.
I just don't feel doing myself any good for helping those people rolling the ball around.
And in a vicarious way, the standard of written English demonstrated by these posts really fills one with a whole lot of confidence. NOT. !!
Last edited by MENELAUS; 30th Nov 2015 at 02:02. Reason: Poor written English !!
