Vote on "Offer"
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From: Somewhere in the Four Corners
I have to agree with Ron on this one, you're preaching to the converted here, it's the G & L flyers as well as the company "yes men" that'll you'll need to convince to vote NO! 
However (sigh!) there'll still be those "let's take what we can get" lot who will vote, yes. 
However (sigh!) there'll still be those "let's take what we can get" lot who will vote, yes.
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From: Here ---> X
Let me get this straight:
We were about to engage in CC when they walk in with a white flag and a last minute offer...
Meanwhile, at the lair, many of the flights aren't properly crewed until the day before, CC is red lining plugging holes in the roster.
It seems to me that the whole thing is about to fall off the hinges and that they simply cannot let CC happen, yet they walk in with just before the shutters close to offer us less than what the CXcity janitors got without even asking for it.
They are asking us to accept a pay cut for this year and the next two, not to mention the last 5 or more.
Hmmm. Let me think about that one...
...nope.
We were about to engage in CC when they walk in with a white flag and a last minute offer...
Meanwhile, at the lair, many of the flights aren't properly crewed until the day before, CC is red lining plugging holes in the roster.
It seems to me that the whole thing is about to fall off the hinges and that they simply cannot let CC happen, yet they walk in with just before the shutters close to offer us less than what the CXcity janitors got without even asking for it.
They are asking us to accept a pay cut for this year and the next two, not to mention the last 5 or more.
Hmmm. Let me think about that one...
...nope.
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From: Hong Kong
Okay the offer is derisory and insulting BUT my opinion is to take it
Tell the company that the membership is accepting it but under duress
there is absolutely nothing to stop us enacting contract compliance the next day and doing our own thing , With all the new aircraft arriving crew control is having an increasingly difficult time crewing flights so a well managed CC will be very effective , but it should have been done during the summer rush ,now fall is here it will not be as effective until Christmas and New Year
Unless you are all prepared to do something about G day workers the small minority will undermine the efforts of the majority
Tell the company that the membership is accepting it but under duress
there is absolutely nothing to stop us enacting contract compliance the next day and doing our own thing , With all the new aircraft arriving crew control is having an increasingly difficult time crewing flights so a well managed CC will be very effective , but it should have been done during the summer rush ,now fall is here it will not be as effective until Christmas and New Year
Unless you are all prepared to do something about G day workers the small minority will undermine the efforts of the majority
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From: N. Am.
As Blowback alluded to, the timing is perfect for the company. Summer peak is over, and winter holidays are a few months away. If membership happens to accept the offer, good for the company. If the offer is rejected, CC now won't be nearly as effective as it would have been over the summer or will be in winter - also good for the company. I hope HKAOA takes a play from the same playbook.
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take the money... carry on as normal.
Accept the offer, take the money.
Don't work G's
Don't answer your phone (S/O's are organised, everybody should be)
We can go back and demand more when they start parking jets.
If they want to play silly buggers, so can we. There is absolutely no need to reject the offer or announce CC. There are no strings attached to this offer, any future offer would certainly have strings. RP's etc.
No need for a "focus night" this is not the sort of advice that the GC can give you.
The key is unity, everyone on the same page. Stop answering your friggin phones!!
Don't work G's
Don't answer your phone (S/O's are organised, everybody should be)
We can go back and demand more when they start parking jets.
If they want to play silly buggers, so can we. There is absolutely no need to reject the offer or announce CC. There are no strings attached to this offer, any future offer would certainly have strings. RP's etc.
No need for a "focus night" this is not the sort of advice that the GC can give you.
The key is unity, everyone on the same page. Stop answering your friggin phones!!
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From: Hong Kong
All fair points, though I tend to agree with XFR8.
But I have never heard of a company such as this that makes US vote on a pay offer! WTF?!
Did they make the ground staff vote last year? I thought not...
I run a small business and when (rarely, I admit) give a pay increase, it just APPEARS in my peoples' pay.
If CX wishes to pay us more, just put it into our pay packets, and have the testicular fortitude to deal with the fall out later. To do this they are just giving themselves an out.
Don't fall for it. Take the money and go into CC if you want - maybe over 25 year housing?
But I have never heard of a company such as this that makes US vote on a pay offer! WTF?!
Did they make the ground staff vote last year? I thought not...
I run a small business and when (rarely, I admit) give a pay increase, it just APPEARS in my peoples' pay.
If CX wishes to pay us more, just put it into our pay packets, and have the testicular fortitude to deal with the fall out later. To do this they are just giving themselves an out.
Don't fall for it. Take the money and go into CC if you want - maybe over 25 year housing?
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From: az
In order to keep my family supported in a sustainable way, there is no way I can vote yes for this. If this truly what CX believes as fair, then it's time to move on to greener and more local pastures. Not sure how they have extorted me to stay this long anyway..... the beatings will continue until morale improves. Fortunately, I believe this will be the first 100% vote against anything in AOA history.
What this offer has not even addressed:
Pollution override
Expensive city override
Education costs override (they don't pay 100%)
School bus override (it's free in most of the world)
DB bus cost override (it takes a small fortune to go to work)
Political instability override (china is about to take over HK and merge CX with Air China)
Insurance that sucks override
FOC override (it's not free! and it's not always confirmable)
"We don't follow your contract" override - because CX does what they want with minimal AOA resistance
and the list goes on..... WHY are we here still?????
What this offer has not even addressed:
Pollution override
Expensive city override
Education costs override (they don't pay 100%)
School bus override (it's free in most of the world)
DB bus cost override (it takes a small fortune to go to work)
Political instability override (china is about to take over HK and merge CX with Air China)
Insurance that sucks override
FOC override (it's not free! and it's not always confirmable)
"We don't follow your contract" override - because CX does what they want with minimal AOA resistance
and the list goes on..... WHY are we here still?????
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
Agree with all your sentiment guys.
However, after Pay and Rostering is sorted, then the issue of Housing will come up. Be warned, they are COMING for it.
Isn't it better to save the One Round in the barrel for that?
However, after Pay and Rostering is sorted, then the issue of Housing will come up. Be warned, they are COMING for it.
Isn't it better to save the One Round in the barrel for that?
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From: GC Paradise
XFR8
Listen to an old guy...we have seen all of this before.
Accept everything that is offered...but stick to the same game plan that is already in place.
PS. Stop answering the phone. Having said that, unfortunately, there will always be guys out there feathering their own nests. This will NEVER change so we need to factor that in and work with the reality. :-)
take the money... carry on as normal.
Accept the offer, take the money.
Don't work G's
Don't answer your phone (S/O's are organised, everybody should be)
We can go back and demand more when they start parking jets.
If they want to play silly buggers, so can we. There is absolutely no need to reject the offer or announce CC. There are no strings attached to this offer, any future offer would certainly have strings. RP's etc.
No need for a "focus night" this is not the sort of advice that the GC can give you.
The key is unity, everyone on the same page. Stop answering your friggin phones!!
Accept the offer, take the money.
Don't work G's
Don't answer your phone (S/O's are organised, everybody should be)
We can go back and demand more when they start parking jets.
If they want to play silly buggers, so can we. There is absolutely no need to reject the offer or announce CC. There are no strings attached to this offer, any future offer would certainly have strings. RP's etc.
No need for a "focus night" this is not the sort of advice that the GC can give you.
The key is unity, everyone on the same page. Stop answering your friggin phones!!
Accept everything that is offered...but stick to the same game plan that is already in place.
PS. Stop answering the phone. Having said that, unfortunately, there will always be guys out there feathering their own nests. This will NEVER change so we need to factor that in and work with the reality. :-)