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Flying with One or Two hands

Old 7th Jun 2014, 12:17
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 12:32
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I have never seen any 777 pilot in CX rotate with one hand.... That not because the boys can't but because it not what our training department wants. There is no room on the flight deck for ego (wow you can trim a 777!). Get the job done, get paid then go get pissed in Wan Chai. End of story....

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Old 7th Jun 2014, 12:45
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Like I said before it's not Cathay but standard BOEING.

This needs to be closed.
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 16:21
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I don't care so much about the one hand or two hands on the yoke discussion; however, I have always "tried" to be pedantic about the way Cathay wants us to fly. This is because something that was mentioned in CRM day several years ago regarding LOSA, 'Airlines with the highest accident/incident rates also have the highest rates of wilful disregard to procedures.' This includes such minor things like not referencing the After Takeoff Checklist because the procedure is so simple. I would put flying with one hand in the same category. Cathay Training teaches a certain way. Choosing to disregard even the most minor manufacturer recommendations puts you in the same group of airlines as those with very high accident incident rates.
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 17:07
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Really?

Doing the after take off items without
referencing a rectangular sheet is the same as
3 Koreans flying into a seawall.


Degrees my friend.

In everything there is balance
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 19:57
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One hand on the yoke and the other doing nothing, unless you're on the Airbus just looks gash...why would you ? I mean what the f**k do you really want to use the other hand for?..admittedly it's petty pants to put it on the weekly Mea Culpa bulletin board but nevertheless......boeing recommend it. Just as your driving instructor would when you're in your car. And I'm sure competitive drivers use both hands on the wheel most of the time.....it just gives you more controllability....as Hal Dyball would have said .." What the F**k were you thinking " just do it
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 23:13
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Was the "single handed" PF smoothly and accurately satisfying the FD commands? Smooth manual flight is reqd in -400's and -8 when cleaning up at heavy weights even without turning. Easy to activate the shaker and/or overspeed if not smoothly and accurately manual flying
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Old 7th Jun 2014, 23:29
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One hand on the yoke and the other doing nothing, unless you're on the Airbus just looks gash...why would you ? I mean what the f**k do you really want to use the other hand for?.
Back when airlines flew the DC3 long before the jets were in service we kept the other hand on the throttles until a positive rate of climb was established after which the PNF would take control of the throttles for the first power reduction.

An engine failure at the wrong time can result in yaw towards the failed engine and if the pilot flying has both hands on the wheel you have two pilots trying to control yaw.......much more simple for the pilot flying to be in complete control of the airplane.

That method worked quite well for me during the over five thousand hours I flew the DC3....

......never ever lost control of one doing it that way.
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Old 8th Jun 2014, 08:13
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Well Chuck,



We're not talking about flying a DC3



Seriously, there are good reasons for Cathay's safety record and following Boeing's policy is one of them.
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Old 8th Jun 2014, 16:09
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Seriously, there are good reasons for Cathay's safety record and following Boeing's policy is one of them.
It's because of the level of professionalism and experience that the cadets bring right?
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Old 11th Jun 2014, 09:09
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Experience, depends if they stay or not?
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Old 12th Jun 2014, 14:05
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junior jocks

Well kiddies most of you missed the point entirely...it being that your slovenly appearance and disrespectful attitude has migrated to the way you now 'conduct business'. A/P.. A/T off means hands control both aircraft and thrust or at least guard the A/T...ready to react during the only phase of flight where you're actually assumed to be 'in control' and doing something. I know you've spent vast amounts of time scathing through the skies in your one-handed cessnas but all 'real' airlines flying big jets require the minimum of professionalism which a surprisingly large number of you sorely lack.
No..you're not the red hot aviators you believe you are..it's the combination of great automated machinery and someone else taking all the responsibility that have lulled you into just thinking you are.
Go home crying to mummy and get your nails polished when you blow the command you feel you're entitled to....wankers!
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Old 12th Jun 2014, 16:56
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Old 13th Jun 2014, 20:51
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Wow, Blunderbuss, your arrogance and your presumptive attitude is astonishing!
Yes, we ALL just flew Cessnas prior to Cathay, and how dare we stand before your awesome and overbearing presence!
Oh, and many of us would argue that you are in control during ALL phases of flight. Also, barring rotation, I fail to see how flying with one hand during climbout is any less safe than flying with one hand during, possibly, a very challenging landing?
You, Sir, come across as a complete ****.
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