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Beggars belief. Cathay really do employ a bunch of dimwitted muppets at a senior level.
The reason why Gulf carriers are taking our market share in both passenger and freight is because they offer a far superior service than cheapskate Cathay.
Better modern planes that people WANT to fly in, far superior cabin in all classes compared to CX, and a cabin service only our CC can dream about giving.
Freight is one of the reasons why we missed the boat in getting the A380 and now we are lagging behind our competitors.
I almost wet the seat when the SO next to me said he was proud to be flying for a Premium carrier.Premium?
The reason why Gulf carriers are taking our market share in both passenger and freight is because they offer a far superior service than cheapskate Cathay.
Better modern planes that people WANT to fly in, far superior cabin in all classes compared to CX, and a cabin service only our CC can dream about giving.
Freight is one of the reasons why we missed the boat in getting the A380 and now we are lagging behind our competitors.
I almost wet the seat when the SO next to me said he was proud to be flying for a Premium carrier.Premium?
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Wait until the next 150 A380 arrive in Dubai.
Not only will they take our cargo, they will also take our pax
they will eat our lunch while we fly to the same ports 5-6 x per day.
Look at the kangaroo route. Dead! You can now fly to any port in oz from just about any major city in Europe with just one stop in Dubai.
I'm sorry to say but Cx is directionless and has its head buried deep in the sand thinking it is still the best.they are more interested in fighting staff than competition!
EK made over 600 min USD profit last year when we mad $30! Yet still we want to push cargo! Let's see how much they make this year. I will bet it is much more than Cx!
Not only will they take our cargo, they will also take our pax
they will eat our lunch while we fly to the same ports 5-6 x per day.Look at the kangaroo route. Dead! You can now fly to any port in oz from just about any major city in Europe with just one stop in Dubai.
I'm sorry to say but Cx is directionless and has its head buried deep in the sand thinking it is still the best.they are more interested in fighting staff than competition!
EK made over 600 min USD profit last year when we mad $30! Yet still we want to push cargo! Let's see how much they make this year. I will bet it is much more than Cx!
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I remember speaking to South Africa country manager and him saying that we do not fly to Cape town because of the crew cost of doing the shuttle.
Do you think EK worries about the crew cost? No they fly there because there is a market!
Do you think EK worries about the crew cost? No they fly there because there is a market!
Cathay seems to have survived despite their appalling attitude to anything but profit. Their market came to them whether they deserved it or not but this situation has changed with the emergence of players like EK. The dreadful attitude to pilots is a veritable time bomb that will bite sooner rather than later.
What is to become of all the FO's who will stay on their Bases rather than accept a one way ticket to HKG ( where else in the world does that happen) for a Command? As we reduce our freighters what will become of all the Captains who can only fly freighters? What will happen to all the SO's when they try to live with their new wives and developing families on cheapskate housing allowances in a few years time?
And we hesitate to engage in CC - voluntarily or by AOA directive??!! It may be just the thing to concentrate the minds of our truly woeful People Managers. If they don't get a grip there won't be an Airline to foul up!
Did you spend your profit share yet?
What is to become of all the FO's who will stay on their Bases rather than accept a one way ticket to HKG ( where else in the world does that happen) for a Command? As we reduce our freighters what will become of all the Captains who can only fly freighters? What will happen to all the SO's when they try to live with their new wives and developing families on cheapskate housing allowances in a few years time?
And we hesitate to engage in CC - voluntarily or by AOA directive??!! It may be just the thing to concentrate the minds of our truly woeful People Managers. If they don't get a grip there won't be an Airline to foul up!
Did you spend your profit share yet?
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I do not blame management for the situation.
I think it is all about external factors in the end, fuel price, world economy, competition, geographical location. These things are out of the influence of any Cathay manager.
The success of Emirates is NOT the result of its management, but the (ongoing) gamble of very wealthy owners willing to bet the tent on it.
For these reasons, managers do not deserve the pay package or any merits should they got lucky and post a profit.
Being an Airline manager is mostly about administration and looking good in a suit.
I think it is all about external factors in the end, fuel price, world economy, competition, geographical location. These things are out of the influence of any Cathay manager.
The success of Emirates is NOT the result of its management, but the (ongoing) gamble of very wealthy owners willing to bet the tent on it.
For these reasons, managers do not deserve the pay package or any merits should they got lucky and post a profit.
Being an Airline manager is mostly about administration and looking good in a suit.
Hi Tanker
As you know, I didn't mean that! What I said was that they (you?) "can only fly freighters" ie that is the only aircraft generic type that they can be in Command of as they are not allowed to operate pax aircraft normally. I say 'normally' because I believe Line Checks are allowed on pax aircraft.
Anyway - it was just a question about how CX will deal with these 3 unique groups that are formed as a direct result of CX policy.
As you know, I didn't mean that! What I said was that they (you?) "can only fly freighters" ie that is the only aircraft generic type that they can be in Command of as they are not allowed to operate pax aircraft normally. I say 'normally' because I believe Line Checks are allowed on pax aircraft.
Anyway - it was just a question about how CX will deal with these 3 unique groups that are formed as a direct result of CX policy.
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Wait until the next 150 A380 arrive in Dubai.
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What is to become of all the FO's who will stay on their Bases rather than accept a one way ticket to HKG ( where else in the world does that happen) for a Command?
As we reduce our freighters what will become of all the Captains who can only fly freighters?
What will happen to all the SO's when they try to live with their new wives and developing families on cheapskate housing allowances in a few years time?
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Remember who the real enemy is...
BIGBEERBELLY,
but what's the point of doing all that and wasting money when CX will pay for your training and stick you right into a widebody and give you a free rating? Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same if there was an opportunity like that sitting in front of you at the start of your career.
Remember who the real enemy is...
but what's the point of doing all that and wasting money when CX will pay for your training and stick you right into a widebody and give you a free rating? Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same if there was an opportunity like that sitting in front of you at the start of your career.
Remember who the real enemy is...
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Hey BBB,
Most based Captains are in the AOA so you remarks are not true. As for the comment that the AOA has ignored the members is therefore untrue as well. All members should be represented. Also your comment about first the Manchester then Frankfurt blaa blaa blaa are untrue as the email was sent out to all European Captains regarding RHS. Also no one was given an option regarding RHS endorsing, the company has the right to do that which they exercised, not saying it is right, but that is their right, the Captains had no option but to accept it (the threat of base closure was implied in the email). So I don't understand your rant.....
Most based Captains are in the AOA so you remarks are not true. As for the comment that the AOA has ignored the members is therefore untrue as well. All members should be represented. Also your comment about first the Manchester then Frankfurt blaa blaa blaa are untrue as the email was sent out to all European Captains regarding RHS. Also no one was given an option regarding RHS endorsing, the company has the right to do that which they exercised, not saying it is right, but that is their right, the Captains had no option but to accept it (the threat of base closure was implied in the email). So I don't understand your rant.....
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It is interesting when you really think about it, CX is expanding its role as a hub and spoke carrier for cargo while focussing on O&D traffic on the passenger side. I'm not sure how to gauge this.
Is the cargo movement a response to the market or simply a natural byproduct of having over-invested in cargo assets, terminal and freighters? On the passenger side, it seems CX is content to use the Hong Kong hub as a regional connection point serving SE Asia and China to all of its long haul destinations, but not pursuing long haul connections to other long flights so much (ie the Kangaroo route).
Perhaps this is just a product of geography, or perhaps that long haul to long haul traffic simply isn't very high yield due to the competition out of the Middle East. I don't know, but I am mostly content with their current strategy. The exception is that I think CX is very late getting to secondary markets like Seattle, Boston, Manchester, Zurich, etc. CX's conservative tendencies serve it well in a downturn, but result in a lot of missed opportunities the rest of the time.
Is the cargo movement a response to the market or simply a natural byproduct of having over-invested in cargo assets, terminal and freighters? On the passenger side, it seems CX is content to use the Hong Kong hub as a regional connection point serving SE Asia and China to all of its long haul destinations, but not pursuing long haul connections to other long flights so much (ie the Kangaroo route).
Perhaps this is just a product of geography, or perhaps that long haul to long haul traffic simply isn't very high yield due to the competition out of the Middle East. I don't know, but I am mostly content with their current strategy. The exception is that I think CX is very late getting to secondary markets like Seattle, Boston, Manchester, Zurich, etc. CX's conservative tendencies serve it well in a downturn, but result in a lot of missed opportunities the rest of the time.
