Extraordinary definition of 'adequate'.
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They shafted the Flight engineers and the AOA did nothing
They brought in the B scale and AOA said they would not come
We only 269 WENT OUT SICK FOR THE 3 WEEKS IN 99 and the AOA watched on the sidelines.
The 49 were stood aside and the AOA watched and did not act.
They said there would always be a premium for those that reside in HKG, but.....
They said salaries would always be aligned to inflation but......
Dont forget that all the conditions of service that you know enjoy were all fought for or lost by the members.
Unfortunately its your choice, fight for your believed remuneration or leave.
Cause no one else will.
They brought in the B scale and AOA said they would not come
We only 269 WENT OUT SICK FOR THE 3 WEEKS IN 99 and the AOA watched on the sidelines.
The 49 were stood aside and the AOA watched and did not act.
They said there would always be a premium for those that reside in HKG, but.....
They said salaries would always be aligned to inflation but......
Dont forget that all the conditions of service that you know enjoy were all fought for or lost by the members.
Unfortunately its your choice, fight for your believed remuneration or leave.
Cause no one else will.
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Who are being selfish?
Wow nitpicker such anger towards non-members.
When I look back on recent changes to my contract voted on by the AOA it seems that the selfishness is most prominent from the president/GC.
For example:
Credit Free Reserve with no FDP start time so MG could get A days.
RA65 with no compensation for non-Captains so PW got full B scales at 55, whilst "forgetting" to lock in 25 year housing.
RP04 with the loss of 5-4-3 protection so ST got what, who knows?
Since I joined CX I have seen every AOA vote seemingly go against the longterm interests of the majority of members.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of G day workers are also AOA members, why not? The GC have not once implemented CC in the last 12 years. I guess we have not felt aggrieved at all in this period.
I do not have to be in a Union which won't represent my interests to not work on a G day.
Wow nitpicker such anger towards non-members.
When I look back on recent changes to my contract voted on by the AOA it seems that the selfishness is most prominent from the president/GC.
For example:
Credit Free Reserve with no FDP start time so MG could get A days.
RA65 with no compensation for non-Captains so PW got full B scales at 55, whilst "forgetting" to lock in 25 year housing.
RP04 with the loss of 5-4-3 protection so ST got what, who knows?
Since I joined CX I have seen every AOA vote seemingly go against the longterm interests of the majority of members.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of G day workers are also AOA members, why not? The GC have not once implemented CC in the last 12 years. I guess we have not felt aggrieved at all in this period.
I do not have to be in a Union which won't represent my interests to not work on a G day.
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CX-HOR,
Yours is a very informed post. Sometimes calling people out by name is necessary. Hopefully, PW and DD take note. The fate of the AOA is resting in their hands at this stage. I hope they are capable.
CXorcist
PS - I'll add that their biggest weapon is our wrath. I hope they channel it if it is needed, which it probably will be if they intend to get a good deal for us.
Yours is a very informed post. Sometimes calling people out by name is necessary. Hopefully, PW and DD take note. The fate of the AOA is resting in their hands at this stage. I hope they are capable.
CXorcist
PS - I'll add that their biggest weapon is our wrath. I hope they channel it if it is needed, which it probably will be if they intend to get a good deal for us.
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With selfish individuals in a position which enables them to be self-centered, is it no wonder that they (PV, PW, GDC and DD) want nothing to do with the ONLY solid union in the CX pilot group? They can't freelance policy and direction while in an association run on a legitimate legal framework.
Time for a reunification of the pilot group and the removal of the 3+1!
Time for a reunification of the pilot group and the removal of the 3+1!
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The company's response is perfectly adequate, as far as they are concerned.
1. Put a big wedge on the AOA's membership.
2. Offer a few base slots with reduced COS, if there is a large scramble then reducing COS further will be an available tool.
3. No immediate pay rise equals more budget savings.
In any battle the commander will have his deception plan, his/her dummy sidestep then right out of the left field the killer blow, unexpected.
Maybe we should be considering how their "offer" will split the membership further, how far will be be prepared to go?
1.US bases at 96hrs credit before EFP? (I'm Aussie so doesn't affect me)
2. PX on freighter. (I'm Airbus so dosen't affect me)
3. Reduced COS and handing back BPP. (I'm a cn on a base so doesn't affect me)
4. Reduction in housing to give new joiners an increase. (Made my money from housing so doesn't affect me)
CX know that it will be a divide and conquer offer, be prepared, leave the GC to draw the lines in the sand.
Now is the time to consolidate our position, every hour spent arguing with the GC, means less time for the GC to formulate a successful plan. We voted the GC to represent us, give them the space to do the job, in 2 months time the landscape may be so different it's unrecognisable.
In the meantime if you as an individual want to make a difference, stop answering the phone and working G days, or check the person next to you and ask are you a G day hero? IF so no sector for you matey, ever again. We will not improve our conditions unless CX are forced to, there is no cost for goodwill on the accountants bottom line.
United we stand, divided we fall.
1. Put a big wedge on the AOA's membership.
2. Offer a few base slots with reduced COS, if there is a large scramble then reducing COS further will be an available tool.
3. No immediate pay rise equals more budget savings.
In any battle the commander will have his deception plan, his/her dummy sidestep then right out of the left field the killer blow, unexpected.
Maybe we should be considering how their "offer" will split the membership further, how far will be be prepared to go?
1.US bases at 96hrs credit before EFP? (I'm Aussie so doesn't affect me)
2. PX on freighter. (I'm Airbus so dosen't affect me)
3. Reduced COS and handing back BPP. (I'm a cn on a base so doesn't affect me)
4. Reduction in housing to give new joiners an increase. (Made my money from housing so doesn't affect me)
CX know that it will be a divide and conquer offer, be prepared, leave the GC to draw the lines in the sand.
Now is the time to consolidate our position, every hour spent arguing with the GC, means less time for the GC to formulate a successful plan. We voted the GC to represent us, give them the space to do the job, in 2 months time the landscape may be so different it's unrecognisable.
In the meantime if you as an individual want to make a difference, stop answering the phone and working G days, or check the person next to you and ask are you a G day hero? IF so no sector for you matey, ever again. We will not improve our conditions unless CX are forced to, there is no cost for goodwill on the accountants bottom line.
United we stand, divided we fall.
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Divide and Conquer:
Already used, remember the last pay-deal withheld the first 5% increase for Junior Captain scales in return for no more Freighter only commands (as if the Company needed any more Freighter only CNs). Yet we still accepted that deal as well, meaning every non Senior Captain was affected by that deal.
Already used, remember the last pay-deal withheld the first 5% increase for Junior Captain scales in return for no more Freighter only commands (as if the Company needed any more Freighter only CNs). Yet we still accepted that deal as well, meaning every non Senior Captain was affected by that deal.
