Extraordinary definition of 'adequate'.
 

Well done G.C.
You've extracted a promise of nothing from Cathay, backdated to tomorrow.
Quite an achievement!
Yours adequately,
'RM.

I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the CX negotiating team... A job well done! They deserve every dollar of the bonuses they will likely receive after this... :D

Even though it's not "official", I can't see how anyone could not be doing CC effective immediately.

Everyone's been saying for months (even years??) that if we went into CC, the wheels would stop turning within a few days. Well, I think we're about to see it happen, even without AOA endorsement.

Meetings scheduled 6 - 10 January, so at the very earliest an announcement by 14 or 15 January.

I can see problems crewing aircraft from now until at least the middle of January. Glad I'm not on leave across the Xmas-NY-CNY period.

Oh, this is priceless. I'm taking approximately a $1000 usd PAY CUT on 1st January...and apparently it's being used to fund the PAY RISE of all the other HK staff....! You couldn't make this up.

I don't mind a fair and reasoned debate about pay and conditions. What I DO mind however is being taken completely for a fool. CX management, you have crossed a line this time. You have breached ANY trust that existed between us. You have mocked us, and taken us for granted. There will be repercussions for this. Guaranteed.

Silberfuchs,

Just one thing:

First Officers will have a very hard time keeping their jobs if the captain decides that discretion will be used and the FO has no choice but to report unfit so that he does not have to operate into discretion.

As for the rest, RIGHT ON!

Do not fear, there are too many G day heroes out there ready to answer the call , our ranks are RIFE with them, RIFE :ugh::ugh:

So true
jnb the other night was crewed by a G day hero, in fact he worked 2 Gs to help out.

knob.

Time for a name-and-shame campaign. Nothing will stop it faster.

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The only problem with your witch hunt approach is that some of the G day "hero's" could actually be making roster adjustments to make their life better. They might want the day off for their wife's / children's birthdays etc, requested it but did not get it.
No doubt the way some of the "loud" shouters on here adjust their roster when they do not want to operate a specific flight but are quite happy to shaft their mates.
Naming and shaming is not the way to go and could be classed as intimidation! If you do name some on here then attach your REAL name as well so that we know who the accuser is as well as the accused.

Iceman, you must be management, as you seem to want to distract others and confuse the situation. The only way things work is unity. Cabin Crew manage to back up their threats with action and media attention. AOA doesn't do anything but talk in circles.

1) Day 1. Edict from AOA saying no more G day workers.
2) Day 2. Name any and all G day workers on AOA site, with a warning.
3) Day 3. Any subsequent G day working is removal from AOA, jumpseats, ect.

Thats it.

Problem solved. The vast majority are spineless and will cave to peer pressure.

Tonight, two flights available for G day brothers. I know, Crew Control left a message.
One of them has already been crewed by a G hero. Depressing.
Whatever the reason, G day working is not something we should be doing at this juncture, if ever....
Imagine if we'd been in C.C today and those two flights were cancelled?
That's how much impact C.C could have, theoretically, yet the G.C threw that away yesterday.
The company needs us in a very practical way, so why did the G.C surrender our leverage?
Depressing.

I disagree. Naming and shaming is the ONLY way.. followed by union action.

Anything else is a waste of time, other than perhaps a "GO SLOW" environment that causes a lot of misconnects. Perfect for the holiday season. If enacted within the nest two weeks.

Once in place, we work with ALL media outlets to shame CX and to let the public know that many will be missing their connections.

It's not rocket science.

As posted on a different thread, when AA pilots were taxiing at 10 Kts in O' Hare,
Besides pissing everyone else off, they jammed the whole bloody airport. No one could tell them anything since it is legal. Right?

Iceman,

Spoken like a true G day hero!! If you didn't get the time off for something very important, then the stress would obviously cause you to be unfit for duty. Just ask the fleet office what they suggest in these circumstances. Un-f@cking believable!!!!

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what has happened in CX just now? why's everybody so wound up? Just came across a remark about. I never understood why people don't just go sick, sick and more sick = hourly pay increase = be home with friends, family - whatever.. It's not that hard - you just gotta not give a rat's ass about at company that doesn't give a rat's ass about you.

Jizz
 

I understand your frustration. We all do

This company does not care. At all. Ever.

One line from your post stood out. Your reference to "you have just made my mind up"

Why would you let anyone make up your mind for you? Make it up for yourself.

Time is now to make plans to exit this company. There is no future with Cathay pacific. At all. Ever.

Wisen up boys n girls. This job is done.

Jizz
 

I understand your frustration. We all do

This company does not care. At all. Ever.

One line from your post stood out. Your reference to "you have just made my mind up"

Why would you let anyone make up your mind for you? Make it up for yourself.

Time is now to make plans to exit this company. There is no future with Cathay pacific. At all. Ever.

Wisen up boys n girls. This job is done.

Before everyone has a go at the Union, classic scapegoat imho, please let's not forget who the enemy is..

Wait what they have to tell us on the 10th. Don't forget these guys act in good faith ( I have no doubt), and are doing this time-consuming job voluntarily and without compensation.

I haven't been in the room when they talked with the company.

It is easy to blame them.

Now is not the time to leave the Union, it is time to join it.