Company's payrise response
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This proves that the AOA and the entire pilot group (members or not) has NOTHING with which to NEGOTIATE. The company called our bluff (which, as usual, it was) and the GC realized that we really have no power to do anything to force the company to give us something it doesn't want to give us in trade for something else.
Reality is HERE. Face it!
Reality is HERE. Face it!
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Does the president read his own letter?
Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association President writes...
"However, there is also a clear, transparent requirement on the part of the Members that a standalone, interim solution be negotiated this year regarding Pay. This requirement has been outstanding for over five months now and must thus take precedence over completion of the Good Faith Bargaining Framework.
I therefore ask for your assurance that Pay will constitute a major part of the discussions on 19 November as I have previously requested. Any failure to discuss Pay earnestly at that meeting, with a view to agreeing on an interim solution before the Christmas break, could only be viewed as a failure on the part of the Company to respond adequately to our repeatedly stated concerns."
So when company comes back with 0% change to pay, and any change to pay will be back dated by 4 months, and the GC agrees and withholds CC before Christmas, what stops the company from saying 0% payrise on Jan 6th, which can be backdated 4 months or maybe out of their generosity they'll even say we can backdate it by 4 years!
Name and shame those on the GC who voted "yes" to the agreement!
"However, there is also a clear, transparent requirement on the part of the Members that a standalone, interim solution be negotiated this year regarding Pay. This requirement has been outstanding for over five months now and must thus take precedence over completion of the Good Faith Bargaining Framework.
I therefore ask for your assurance that Pay will constitute a major part of the discussions on 19 November as I have previously requested. Any failure to discuss Pay earnestly at that meeting, with a view to agreeing on an interim solution before the Christmas break, could only be viewed as a failure on the part of the Company to respond adequately to our repeatedly stated concerns."
So when company comes back with 0% change to pay, and any change to pay will be back dated by 4 months, and the GC agrees and withholds CC before Christmas, what stops the company from saying 0% payrise on Jan 6th, which can be backdated 4 months or maybe out of their generosity they'll even say we can backdate it by 4 years!
Name and shame those on the GC who voted "yes" to the agreement!
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Do you AOA deserters also leave your country when politicians approve something which you are opposed!?
There are other mechanisms to change the AOA. No Confidence. I believe a motion has already been submitted. Stay and cast your vote, or leave and accept your fate.
There are other mechanisms to change the AOA. No Confidence. I believe a motion has already been submitted. Stay and cast your vote, or leave and accept your fate.
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When will you lot realise that the AOA is another tier of Cathay management. They are there to give the illusion that we have control through democratic means, we don't! It's a bit like politics you can pick a candidate but who selects the candidates put forward? Nothing will ever get better here, I've been here long enough to realise that now. It's not just Cathay but an industry wide problem, we are no longer valued it seems. Pilots exist to make a management class wealthy or so it seems.
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"The Company wish us to suspend the current CC motion and continue with comprehensive "good faith" negotiations with meetings taking place tioday and during a week long session beginning 06 January"
So let me see if I understand this latest update from the AOA: The Company just announced a 4.5% pay raise - across the board - for ALL other employee groups and has offered the pilot group a 0% pay rise backed dated to a future date….?
Am I the only one who grimaced and twisted in his chair while reading this? I don’t think that even Shakespeare could come up with such tortured logic in a tragic story line!
This is jut plain embarrassing, and I’ve grown weary of it.
At the same time that I receive almost constant entreaties from the Company to go the extra mile, to sharpen my pencil, to be even more efficient and shave fuel figures to a bare bone minimum, my reward for this – my thanks - is to see all other employee groups receive their usual recognition, and lavish praise, while the pilot body receives another slap in the face.
Well since the current GC doesn’t seem to understand how to react to insulting gestures, let me give them an example:
The GC has until January 15th…which follows their week long, good faith, comprehensive, negotiating session…to demonstrate that they can deliver at least a reasonable return on the value of my monthly dues…or I will tender my resignation.
There is no point continuing on like this. As I said, this is embarrassing. I don’t want to be a part of it any longer.
So let me see if I understand this latest update from the AOA: The Company just announced a 4.5% pay raise - across the board - for ALL other employee groups and has offered the pilot group a 0% pay rise backed dated to a future date….?
Am I the only one who grimaced and twisted in his chair while reading this? I don’t think that even Shakespeare could come up with such tortured logic in a tragic story line!
This is jut plain embarrassing, and I’ve grown weary of it.
At the same time that I receive almost constant entreaties from the Company to go the extra mile, to sharpen my pencil, to be even more efficient and shave fuel figures to a bare bone minimum, my reward for this – my thanks - is to see all other employee groups receive their usual recognition, and lavish praise, while the pilot body receives another slap in the face.
Well since the current GC doesn’t seem to understand how to react to insulting gestures, let me give them an example:
The GC has until January 15th…which follows their week long, good faith, comprehensive, negotiating session…to demonstrate that they can deliver at least a reasonable return on the value of my monthly dues…or I will tender my resignation.
There is no point continuing on like this. As I said, this is embarrassing. I don’t want to be a part of it any longer.
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Utterly Pathetic
Ladies and Gents please don't focus all your anger and frustration towards the timing of this "lack of increase". This issue of a pay rise was supposed to be a STAND ALONE increase. Not only did other work groups receive their 4% increase, they were NOT asked to work harder for it.
We are being told we MAY only see a productivity based increase.
This increase, long overdue, is NOT to be linked to RP's etc.
A 4% stand alone raise certainly wouldn't keep us ahead of inflation but as an interim deal it might have been less insulting to this pilot group..
Terrible….
Ladies and Gents please don't focus all your anger and frustration towards the timing of this "lack of increase". This issue of a pay rise was supposed to be a STAND ALONE increase. Not only did other work groups receive their 4% increase, they were NOT asked to work harder for it.
We are being told we MAY only see a productivity based increase.
This increase, long overdue, is NOT to be linked to RP's etc.
A 4% stand alone raise certainly wouldn't keep us ahead of inflation but as an interim deal it might have been less insulting to this pilot group..
Terrible….
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The Smartest GC EVER!
This GC admits, through its statements and actions, the TRUTH that the AOA has absolutely NO POWER. NONE. ZILCH!
I think they are the smartest group of guys ever to be GC members.
Now, about all those dues they've been collecting over the years, promising that our unity will get us somewhere...
I think they are the smartest group of guys ever to be GC members.
Now, about all those dues they've been collecting over the years, promising that our unity will get us somewhere...
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Vote with your feet. Leave in droves. It is actually the ONLY thing that has an effect on management's decisions. Stop whining. Stop groveling. Stop complaining. Stop whimpering. Stop screaming foul.
Yes, it appears corruption is there at all levels, even those that claim to be for the pilot body. It is a world-wide aviation problem. Teamsters, ALPA, and AOA.
Write a letter. Give them three months. And leave.
Yes, it appears corruption is there at all levels, even those that claim to be for the pilot body. It is a world-wide aviation problem. Teamsters, ALPA, and AOA.
Write a letter. Give them three months. And leave.
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Why wait
Okay why wait for the GC who have failed us yet again . The company have clearly indicated the distain they hold us in so:
Stop all your bitching and start acting on your own
I'm not waiting my CC starts now
What is the one thing that accountants understand? MONEY !
What is the biggest operating cost that we have control over ?
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out some very novel strategies to demonstrate the cost of goodwill .
Technical delays sit back and let the engineers sort it out
Simply take your time don't ever be rushed go when you are ready
There are so many things we can do with just a little thought
GDO workers, no sectors , no J/S .
It's time to get creative and become cohesive , I don't care if you are in the AOA or not they have become redundant Think and act for your rights for once
Why do you think the Cabin Crew got a pay rise ? Because the company is sh..t scared they will go out on strike .They have done it before
We have never had the guts to do it, and have a core of pilots who are frightened of their own shadows and would never consider any kind of action
Well perhaps degraded conditions and pay have forced them to grow a backbone but I have grave doubts
Happy Christmas to all of you Perhaps you can explain to the kids that you couldn't afford the present they wanted because you didn't get a pay rise
Stop all your bitching and start acting on your own
I'm not waiting my CC starts now
What is the one thing that accountants understand? MONEY !
What is the biggest operating cost that we have control over ?
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out some very novel strategies to demonstrate the cost of goodwill .
Technical delays sit back and let the engineers sort it out
Simply take your time don't ever be rushed go when you are ready
There are so many things we can do with just a little thought
GDO workers, no sectors , no J/S .
It's time to get creative and become cohesive , I don't care if you are in the AOA or not they have become redundant Think and act for your rights for once
Why do you think the Cabin Crew got a pay rise ? Because the company is sh..t scared they will go out on strike .They have done it before
We have never had the guts to do it, and have a core of pilots who are frightened of their own shadows and would never consider any kind of action
Well perhaps degraded conditions and pay have forced them to grow a backbone but I have grave doubts
Happy Christmas to all of you Perhaps you can explain to the kids that you couldn't afford the present they wanted because you didn't get a pay rise
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Have you guys become so greedy over money that you've utterly lost the plot
Who gives a f&*k about some stupid payrise??? You think an extra 4% is gonna make a world of difference here at CX??? What about rostering and the constant abuse to our rosters. There are so many outstanding issues that can have a greater impact on our lifestyle than a measly payrise but nobody makes a fuss. 
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Who gives a f&*k about some stupid payrise??? You think an extra 4% is gonna make a world of difference here at CX??? What about rostering and the constant abuse to our rosters. There are so many outstanding issues that can have a greater impact on our lifestyle than a measly payrise but nobody makes a fuss. .
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Few years back AA pilots were doing some sort of CC for the same reasons.
The "maximum" taxi speed was 10 Kts.......
The "maximum" taxi speed was 10 Kts.......
box
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Seriously we are being played to extend so they get thru the holiday season. Sorry the GC could have come back got a flat 4.5% pay rise and no conditions then start negotiations afterwards.
But no...fooled again.
Seriously just start a thread of the GC wont do something then just start a trash thread so CX management see numbers going up wards of their fuel savings going south. sick days start climbing.....discretion?sorry come again no more discretion....ground staff asking for jump seats? go buy a ticket you aint ever seeing a jump seat again from one cockpit crew.
But no...fooled again.
Seriously just start a thread of the GC wont do something then just start a trash thread so CX management see numbers going up wards of their fuel savings going south. sick days start climbing.....discretion?sorry come again no more discretion....ground staff asking for jump seats? go buy a ticket you aint ever seeing a jump seat again from one cockpit crew.
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I agree but unless you pressure the company nothing will ever be done
At least the pay rise seems to have upset enough people that perhaps a majority will now start playing their part
Look at the newsletters praising our fuel saving efforts well let's stop that and add some more when we feel like it that in itself will send a message especially if everyone plays their part
I agree but unless you pressure the company nothing will ever be done
At least the pay rise seems to have upset enough people that perhaps a majority will now start playing their part
Look at the newsletters praising our fuel saving efforts well let's stop that and add some more when we feel like it that in itself will send a message especially if everyone plays their part
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Box and Bob
You both have good points , all it takes is a bit of thought to achieve a noticeable difference
Think about 1 raindrop ! no effect
5 to ten raindrops turns your attention to the skies
A deluge makes you find an umbrella and or seek shelter
The deluge continues flooding occurs damage and loss are the result
So that is what we need to achieve to show what we are worth
A torrential sustained downpour that results in a flood with losses
One is useless, but all of us combined will make a big impact
You both have good points , all it takes is a bit of thought to achieve a noticeable difference
Think about 1 raindrop ! no effect
5 to ten raindrops turns your attention to the skies
A deluge makes you find an umbrella and or seek shelter
The deluge continues flooding occurs damage and loss are the result
So that is what we need to achieve to show what we are worth
A torrential sustained downpour that results in a flood with losses
One is useless, but all of us combined will make a big impact