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I'm all for burning more gas but that is bad for the environment.
A quick look at the hub scheduling at CLK will show that the Achilles Heel is the tight connections for many many key routes.
Nothing like a few thousand missed connections a day to focus the bean counters. I am really surprised that all the young and clever haven't worked this out. Hotels, luggage delivery etc...it is very very expensive when pax miss connections.
CC is one thing but if you really want to hit them where it hurts at home base it is delayed arrivals and adherence to on time departures.
The one thing thing that has not changed in the past 30 years is that the company hands out what it wants to those that they think deserve it. There never was and never has been a squeaky wheel syndrome although Becky did have their measure.
My vote is to appoint Becky as head of the AOA. At least she knows who has the balls and how to kick them....and she is available.
I'm all for burning more gas but that is bad for the environment.
A quick look at the hub scheduling at CLK will show that the Achilles Heel is the tight connections for many many key routes.
Nothing like a few thousand missed connections a day to focus the bean counters. I am really surprised that all the young and clever haven't worked this out. Hotels, luggage delivery etc...it is very very expensive when pax miss connections.
CC is one thing but if you really want to hit them where it hurts at home base it is delayed arrivals and adherence to on time departures.
The one thing thing that has not changed in the past 30 years is that the company hands out what it wants to those that they think deserve it. There never was and never has been a squeaky wheel syndrome although Becky did have their measure.
My vote is to appoint Becky as head of the AOA. At least she knows who has the balls and how to kick them....and she is available.
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Scoreboard, not sure we did to upset you but how is denying ground staff a jumpseat helping? Yes you have a beef with the company but pissing off all the other staff, not sure how that helps. Remember the pay rise statement is for HKG staff not those of us in the outports. We also get what we are given, I can safely say it won't be 4.5%
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HKG ATC do a damn good job at that. We can screw up approaches fairly early and with the helpful assistance of HKG ATC we can can do it better. Well perhaps not, but at least we can proactively help them to help us not to be on time.It all helps fuel savings and on ward connections. It's a team effort. We are a team. Let's help the team, the same way our management team helped us. Go team, go!
HKG ATC do a damn good job at that. We can screw up approaches fairly early and with the helpful assistance of HKG ATC we can can do it better. Well perhaps not, but at least we can proactively help them to help us not to be on time.It all helps fuel savings and on ward connections. It's a team effort. We are a team. Let's help the team, the same way our management team helped us. Go team, go!
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Well if nothing else this has united the aircrew body
I agree with spannertax why penalize ground staff over J/S it's not their fault
However G day workers that's a different matter because they are working against your best efforts
I agree with spannertax why penalize ground staff over J/S it's not their fault
However G day workers that's a different matter because they are working against your best efforts
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Its pretty easy why the ground staff should suffer....why cause they have to remember who actually makes the wheels turn. Sorry but there is far too many managers and ground staff that are completetly full of how important they are when they are actually not.
hell even had an ISM crow how she felt she was more important than the pilots...I mean seriously like the plane doesn't move without a pilot but I don't need an ism to fly....just one cabin crew member per door.
hell even had an ISM crow how she felt she was more important than the pilots...I mean seriously like the plane doesn't move without a pilot but I don't need an ism to fly....just one cabin crew member per door.
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One of the reasons that we don't get pay rises when the rest do, is that management has painted us in such an awful light, the other departments despise us, they have created a political environment that makes it difficult for us to get anything without mass resentment. Yet they will sit behind us in a jumpseat as they have choice, hating us and every second that they need to put up with us.
I will never ever give a jumpseat away to anyone who isn't cockpit crew or, if they don't want it, then cabin crew........and this mess has hardened my resolve.
Why? Because I can control who sits in my cockpit, period. It staggers me that there are captains out there who will give priority to ground staff over cockpit crew.
I have seen a ground staff's 13 year old daughter given priority over a senior captain by some twit.
You are not pissing ground staff off dude, they hate you anyway.
One of the reasons that we don't get pay rises when the rest do, is that management has painted us in such an awful light, the other departments despise us, they have created a political environment that makes it difficult for us to get anything without mass resentment. Yet they will sit behind us in a jumpseat as they have choice, hating us and every second that they need to put up with us.
I will never ever give a jumpseat away to anyone who isn't cockpit crew or, if they don't want it, then cabin crew........and this mess has hardened my resolve.
Why? Because I can control who sits in my cockpit, period. It staggers me that there are captains out there who will give priority to ground staff over cockpit crew.
I have seen a ground staff's 13 year old daughter given priority over a senior captain by some twit.
You are not pissing ground staff off dude, they hate you anyway.
Mmmmmmm.
1/ you don't know the age of the person requesting the JS
2/ the Captain may have allocated the jump seat a long time before the Crew member requested it.
Having said that I'm more and more less inclined to give it anyone other than crew or family of crew.
1/ you don't know the age of the person requesting the JS
2/ the Captain may have allocated the jump seat a long time before the Crew member requested it.
Having said that I'm more and more less inclined to give it anyone other than crew or family of crew.
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Mmmmmmm......
Let's see.
1. The captain missed out and the girl had the J/s and I asked her how old she was???
2. So what? Change the priority if that is the case, either on intracx or ring CC if it's closed.
Not sure why you are inferring I'm making this up??
Let's see.
1. The captain missed out and the girl had the J/s and I asked her how old she was???
2. So what? Change the priority if that is the case, either on intracx or ring CC if it's closed.
Not sure why you are inferring I'm making this up??
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1. So you are going to ask the girl how old she is and then throw her off the flight!!
2. It is very poor form to give someone J1 and then take it away. It's like saying "sure I'll make sure you get on the flight" and then after they make plans hinging on this you turn round and say "sorry changed my mind"
2. It is very poor form to give someone J1 and then take it away. It's like saying "sure I'll make sure you get on the flight" and then after they make plans hinging on this you turn round and say "sorry changed my mind"
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Simple solution. Never allocate J1 to anyone but cockpit crew. Leave it open right up until the flight.....then you can allocate to a last minute pilot applicant. If there are none, then J2 becomes J1 by default. Why would any Captain use anything other than this procedure...? 
So, by that reasoning if you requested my JS for your wife then I should give her J2 ?? I bet that would make her happy when she found out your policy....!!
Oh but it's different then isn't it ......
Oh but it's different then isn't it ......
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Because of attitudes like yours we will have our ability to allocate or use jump-seats removed!!
Think before you post your selfish drivel.
Because of attitudes like yours we will have our ability to allocate or use jump-seats removed!!
Think before you post your selfish drivel.
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Spot on. J/S only go to cockpit crew or their family. Very occasionally to a CC for flights where cockpit crew just don't go.
Like mnl.
No one else. Ever. That includes rejecting managers request several times.
Trafalgar. Spot on 100%
Like mnl.
No one else. Ever. That includes rejecting managers request several times.
Trafalgar. Spot on 100%
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Iceman. Help me a bit here. How exactly am I being 'selfish'? If the captain leaves J1 empty, then it is always available for the needs of cockpit crew. Ok, if a Captain calls another Captain and asks for the J1 for his wife, then fair enough, probably go with that one. Other than that, my suggestion guarantees that you and the rest of my colleagues have first priority. As for having the discretion removed, doubtful. By allocating J2, i'm still 'allocating' the JS....so tell me, what is wrong with that. I'm really bewildered by the adjective you've used.
What about the Captains son? "Probably go with that one too"?
It's not only Pilot commuters that like the comfort of having a J1.
Anyway more important things to mull over now.
It's not only Pilot commuters that like the comfort of having a J1.
Anyway more important things to mull over now.
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Tread carefully please, comrades.
Let's just leave this topic off the public domain. Commanders discretion over J/S allocation is just that, no justification needed. Commanders; do as you wish, but please don't publish your results. Such discussions have caused certain other large, expat-heavy airlines to withdraw the privilege. Don't think for a second that it can't happen to us. Given the number of commuters we have, such a change would be extremely bad news. I don't commute, but I am hugely appreciative of the safety net provided by the J/S when returning from holidays.
Naturally, I don't think we need to furnish anyone with acceptable etiquette guidance when calling upon a colleague for such a favour. Let's use the system, respectful of the policy - discretion.
As it stands, we, as aircrew, should be happy with the current arrangement. As such, may I recommend not drawing attention to it? As Curtain Rod says, there are bigger fish to fry.
Let's just leave this topic off the public domain. Commanders discretion over J/S allocation is just that, no justification needed. Commanders; do as you wish, but please don't publish your results. Such discussions have caused certain other large, expat-heavy airlines to withdraw the privilege. Don't think for a second that it can't happen to us. Given the number of commuters we have, such a change would be extremely bad news. I don't commute, but I am hugely appreciative of the safety net provided by the J/S when returning from holidays.
Naturally, I don't think we need to furnish anyone with acceptable etiquette guidance when calling upon a colleague for such a favour. Let's use the system, respectful of the policy - discretion.
As it stands, we, as aircrew, should be happy with the current arrangement. As such, may I recommend not drawing attention to it? As Curtain Rod says, there are bigger fish to fry.
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I'm really hoping the GC knows something we don't.
In fact, that's the only hope I have left.
I'm still preparing the rotten tomatoes for the 'night of shame', though.
Oh, I'll focus alright...
In fact, that's the only hope I have left.
I'm still preparing the rotten tomatoes for the 'night of shame', though.
Oh, I'll focus alright...
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well thanks for the responses, it's good to know where we stand!
Scoreboard, don't forget that without some of us, those wheels may just not be turning, but at least I know where I stand.
Scoreboard, don't forget that without some of us, those wheels may just not be turning, but at least I know where I stand.
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Spanners, don't get too wound up. In my experience at least, most of us tend to view all of the operationally front-line coworkers as being part of the same team, and afford any available courtesies as such.
Remember the lions share of posters on here are pretty disgruntled, and consequently self-centred and looking out for number one at the expense of all else. Not to pretend that morale is at a high point out in the real world, but the bulk of us do realise that we are all in it together.
Remember the lions share of posters on here are pretty disgruntled, and consequently self-centred and looking out for number one at the expense of all else. Not to pretend that morale is at a high point out in the real world, but the bulk of us do realise that we are all in it together.