View Poll Results: Is the IFALPA/HKAOA Recuitment Ban Fair?
Yes, It is Fair
74
26.52%
Only Fair if an Upgrade Ban is included
122
43.73%
No, It Is Not Fair
83
29.75%
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Is the IFALPA/HKAOA Cathay recuitment ban fair?
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Yup the same dinosaur, ostrich etc who feels that video comeras will never and should never be allowed in cockpits to aid accident/incident investigation. Oops, I think I hear the paranoia train approaching. Remember you are not paranoid if everybody really does hate you. Anyway back to what's his name. Doing a great job protecting conditions in the States, now wants to become world policeman. Bit like those Southern Baptist missionaries preaching in Oz - not enough sin at home for them lol.
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Well it does seem to be two sides to each story.
The basic facts remain, CX has shown itself to be a airline to now aspire to if you are only there to take the money and shut up or else well ask now over 70 guys what happens! Or more likely there is a large group of drivers who are dedicated to seeing a stable and fair contract which rewards loyalty and being professional.They are a group that has from 10 to 30 years left in the company and only seek a resolution that will prosper the company as a whole. The biggest worry is why does the company do such despicable underhanded things to a workforce that is so to speak at the sharp end of the buisiness? Ok enough ranting.
It is a fact that if a upgrade ban was put in place the company would immediately bypass the contractual seniority rules and hire direct entry commands(say from the freighter division to start with) combined with a more corrupt selection of "suitable F/Os". They would justify this by the militant HKAOA being out of step with reality. By the time it went to court (years as witnessed by the RP 2001 case) the damage would have already have been done.
Well the reality is ladies and gents is the union remains commited to a fair and just contract for all members, remains commited to the welfare of the 49ers and most importantly will remain commited to keeping a viable union opposing unilateral changes to its members contracts.
I have really tried to keep out of the vile posts from both sides of the coin here but lets face reality, we all have a choice the information is out there please stay informed, support one another and recognise that this is truly an attempt at busting the union.
The basic facts remain, CX has shown itself to be a airline to now aspire to if you are only there to take the money and shut up or else well ask now over 70 guys what happens! Or more likely there is a large group of drivers who are dedicated to seeing a stable and fair contract which rewards loyalty and being professional.They are a group that has from 10 to 30 years left in the company and only seek a resolution that will prosper the company as a whole. The biggest worry is why does the company do such despicable underhanded things to a workforce that is so to speak at the sharp end of the buisiness? Ok enough ranting.
It is a fact that if a upgrade ban was put in place the company would immediately bypass the contractual seniority rules and hire direct entry commands(say from the freighter division to start with) combined with a more corrupt selection of "suitable F/Os". They would justify this by the militant HKAOA being out of step with reality. By the time it went to court (years as witnessed by the RP 2001 case) the damage would have already have been done.
Well the reality is ladies and gents is the union remains commited to a fair and just contract for all members, remains commited to the welfare of the 49ers and most importantly will remain commited to keeping a viable union opposing unilateral changes to its members contracts.
I have really tried to keep out of the vile posts from both sides of the coin here but lets face reality, we all have a choice the information is out there please stay informed, support one another and recognise that this is truly an attempt at busting the union.
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A sensible and reasonably fair post. Probably Deified one group and Demonised the other though, pity. I still don't understand the rationale behind the ban, you are willing to take the positions of the 49ers by accepting upgrades etc because the Company would only bypass the union and employ DE captains/FO's or use those despicable freighter low lives to do the same thing. But, you expect young folk on the lowest rung of the ladder to NOT take what would be to them the same thing ie an improvement in their conditions? It doesn't compute and is horribly unfair and selfish, let alone hypocritical. The ban will end up biting the AOA very hard.
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I have just a few questions myself for all of you!!!!!
Which if any of you are already employed by CX, and in the AOA?
If the answer is any at all then you are helping to disable the situation even further by putting all this caviar in the public arena!
If the answer is none, then i am deeply suspicious, however if it is truly a think tank for non employees of CX trying to either justify what they are about to do or not about to do then you guys are spending a hell of alot of time talking around the same subject!
It is this easy: If you have applied to Cx in the last year or so and they ring you up for an interview and you decline then that is YOUR DOING!
If they ring you up and you accept the interview and you get in, then that is YOUR DOING!
If you join CX under the AOA recruitment ban, then that is YOUR DOING!
If you are already employed in CX and take an upgrade then that is YOUR DOING!
I am sure you could use a little lateral thinking for a second and understand that in any union there is hardly ever a show of 100% confidence in the votes it recieves for a motion of such magnitude as strike etc etc etc......
I believe there is alot of confusion, discontent, missunderstanding etc etc etc out there, for those of you who don't have the CX job yet you are quite happy to slam the ones who do, and for those of you that may have missed out in the past you might still feel a little resentment of the ones who got in and now to you seem to be earning the BIG BUCKS.
If you all spent this much time sending resume's instead of bitching to each other whom most of you will not know, then you would probably be placed in other airlines by now........
Oh but then i forgot..........
If you don't have mates in Virgin Blue then you probably won't get in, and if you don't have mates in most airlines then you won't get in, and if you had any mates in CX then ask them for their opinions and leave it at that!
Which if any of you are already employed by CX, and in the AOA?
If the answer is any at all then you are helping to disable the situation even further by putting all this caviar in the public arena!
If the answer is none, then i am deeply suspicious, however if it is truly a think tank for non employees of CX trying to either justify what they are about to do or not about to do then you guys are spending a hell of alot of time talking around the same subject!
It is this easy: If you have applied to Cx in the last year or so and they ring you up for an interview and you decline then that is YOUR DOING!
If they ring you up and you accept the interview and you get in, then that is YOUR DOING!
If you join CX under the AOA recruitment ban, then that is YOUR DOING!
If you are already employed in CX and take an upgrade then that is YOUR DOING!
I am sure you could use a little lateral thinking for a second and understand that in any union there is hardly ever a show of 100% confidence in the votes it recieves for a motion of such magnitude as strike etc etc etc......
I believe there is alot of confusion, discontent, missunderstanding etc etc etc out there, for those of you who don't have the CX job yet you are quite happy to slam the ones who do, and for those of you that may have missed out in the past you might still feel a little resentment of the ones who got in and now to you seem to be earning the BIG BUCKS.
If you all spent this much time sending resume's instead of bitching to each other whom most of you will not know, then you would probably be placed in other airlines by now........
Oh but then i forgot..........
If you don't have mates in Virgin Blue then you probably won't get in, and if you don't have mates in most airlines then you won't get in, and if you had any mates in CX then ask them for their opinions and leave it at that!
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