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Old 12th Nov 2012, 06:18
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....at least Henry acknowledges a higher power than himself, unlike most of the unmitigated narcissists that populate our cockpits. Henry doesn't make the rules on these type of changes. His job is to ensure the smooth and safe functioning of the operation. On that basis, he does a very good job. If you were aware of the daily nonsense he has to deal with you would be far more sympathetic to him and his burden.

No, i'm not 'Henry', but I am aware of the daily frustrations he has to deal with. Just be glad there is someone in that job who has a conscience and a desire to do the best job possible.

I have no doubt the usual anonymous venom will follow this, but it doesn't change the truth about Henry. He is a good man who deserves our respect.
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 07:01
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The list of people Trafalger 'respects' grows ever more dodgy. Is Henry a good host, teacher, golfer, Father etc too!
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 08:45
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He was a good Star Chamber member. And he is remunerated very well for dealing with his "burden".

He also has the option of going back to the line. Or a very comfortable retirement, which will be far more comfortable than that facing most of the pilots to which he is laying down the law.

I find the hypocrisy of some of these people with an imaginary friend very hard to take.

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Old 12th Nov 2012, 20:07
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its not just the RPIC guys who will find the first EFATO a little hard, I imagine a few older guys in the left seat might miss a little practice beforehand.
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 21:17
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Nope I wasn't referring to his imaginary friend upstairs!!
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 23:22
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heard a good rumour during my last RT/PC that this change had been introduced because our senior statesmen found the RT too difficult.....practicing with a PC for an RT, surely not?
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 23:48
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Ahhh Trafalgar

So Henry has a conscience and acknowledges a higher authority. Did that higher authority not have some Commandments, specifically one about adultery?

How come Henry and his conscience turned a blind-eye when one of his Flight Training managers......... Well you know the story......
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 04:25
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Nope I didn't say it was a higher authority either!!
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 05:24
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It's all about cost. If a certain arbitrary percentage of pilots can perform to standard during a one day PC, then the next logical step for the company will be to lobby for elimination of the RT all together - thus saving simulator time (cost) and improving productivity of the crew force (since they'll have more availibility for revenue flights - again, cost).
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 09:34
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If it comes in I think you may find a few fellows practising on the line for the PC.
"Tail this is dog. Over"

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Old 14th Nov 2012, 07:09
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One problem is that often scheduling will give you an RT/PC at the end of leave. For skippers it's an easy life since you get a sector monthly. For F/Os doing relief on the Triple who can go 60 days legally between getting a landing, you can easily go a full 9 weeks with leave tagged on before rocking up for your PC.

In the past scheduling used the RT to get guys legal after leave, it is obviously cost efficient to do it this way.

To me this change doesn't as some posters on here say, keep us all in the same boat with regards to currency.
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Old 14th Nov 2012, 07:41
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Wtf

The only reason we Asa group fly V1 cuts to a reasonable standard is because we practice. As an average you will do one in the RT and one in the PC or four V1 cuts per year. If reversing the cycle reduces that amount then safety is REDUCED !

Every pilot can benefit from sims. if you think you can't benefit you are dangerous.

I would bet that 95 % of us could pull off a v1 or v2 cut , worst case scenario , with no practice, but would it be a 5 or a 3 or worse ? Practice makes perfect.

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Old 14th Nov 2012, 12:49
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The only reason we Asa group fly V1 cuts to a reasonable standard is because we practice. As an average you will do one in the RT and one in the PC or four V1 cuts per year.
So what would happen if you were get an engine failure at V1 the day before your "practice"?

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Old 15th Nov 2012, 00:23
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suck it up b1tches. what happens online if you haven't sat in the seat for 89 days and have a v1 cut?

geez what a bunch of whiners.....
You wouldn't be online, you're not current, you'd be doing recurrency circuits in the sim instead of your PC in the sim...........

Which would you prefer?
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 11:30
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what happens online if you haven't sat in the seat for 89 days and have a v1 cut?
Totally different kettle of fish. A number of things would happen on the line on day 89:

1. It would be handled safely, and the safety of the aircraft would never be in doubt. HOWEVER, as alluded to in a previous post, the mouth music might not be spot on perfect, and there might not be a lot of "finesse", but there wouldn't be a problem.

2. The DFO will give a 1 line "tip of the hat" to the crew in his weekly Flight Ops update.

3. The CEO/CFO in the weekly update that goes to every employee across the globe will write a few lines on what a great job the airport staff did in arranging the service recovery, yet little, or probably no, mention will be made of the cockpit or cabin crew involved.

4. The airport supervisor on duty will win a Betsy award for arranging the handling of the affected passengers.

That's all well & good on the line, but in the sim on your PC, heaven forbid that you don't use the spot on mouth music, or that you fly it less accurately than the autopilot, or that you lack "finesse". These things really matter in CX!

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Old 15th Nov 2012, 11:51
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broadband circuit is spot on...
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 14:06
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affected passengers.
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 20:46
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A mate said the plan is eventually to do the PC, a pass results in the RT becoming redundant and therefore reserve! An unsatisfactory PC has you doing a RT (with a STC) so it's PC/PC
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 22:51
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My 'last' airline ran one simulator session every 3 months which included one regulatory ('jeopardy') item and the rest was training.

Just enough to keep us in the books at a relaxed level and to provide ongoing, realistic training to keep us current.

Probably too big a leap for this outfit.
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 23:36
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A mate said the plan is eventually to do the PC, a pass results in the RT becoming redundant and therefore reserve! An unsatisfactory PC has you doing a RT (with a STC) so it's PC/PC
And I suppose you still believe in the Easter Bunny too??
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