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Old 7th Jul 2012, 07:12
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Navtech Charts

Has anyone figured out how to download all the charts for a particular airfield in one go , as we used to be able to do with Jeppview ?
How do you change the size of the left menu box after selecting charts , the one containing the chart description . It is so small one has to constantly move the bar left and right to be able to read the description.
The charts are nowhere as good as the Jepp charts
The holding speed depiction doesn't differentiate between Pans ops and Pans ops 3/4 . The HK minimas are different even though the runway elevation is the same They call this progress ?

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How can the minimums for HK be different to Jepp? Jepp didn't make the minima, HKCAD did..???
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OK, I haven't seen the new charts and would not be surprised if the user comfort wasn't the reason for CX to switch.

But can we please stop arguing about minima and holding speed? Are we all finally brainwashed by certain old school trainers and their moronic grip of the non-essential?

By what differs the minimum? 2 or 3 feet? Who needs holding speeds? You ask ATC for the minimum clean and you get it, don't you??
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Hate to burst your bubble but the reason CX changed was $$$$$$$$$$$

And possibly the fact that Jepp charts couldn't be used on our new EFB's in the future. Once again down to $$$$$$$$$

Yes, we will be getting our own EFB's in the future, just don't hold ya breath!!

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Old 7th Jul 2012, 09:58
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Minimas are rounded up to the next 10 feet.

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Just looking at the ILS 07L HKG Navtech charts.

Bit different

How come it doesn't show the minimum procedural heights of 2,000' and then 1,700' after LIMES?

Also on the Jepp LIMES is 4,500' or as directed.

I see lots of confusion coming along quite soon!!
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 10:34
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Apparently they switched cause NavTech offers free iPad app while Jepps would charge them for it. BYO eFlightBags anyone?
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 10:40
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Just downloaded the app but the passwords given by MLO won't work.

So only the web versions at the moment.

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Nitpicker

I reread the email we all got and it said the App would be available later and the only password given was for the web.
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Yeah I know but I thought I'd give it a try!!
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How come it doesn't show the minimum procedural heights of 2,000' and then 1,700' after LIMES?
The 2000' after limes is only mandatory if NLG is US. According to AIC you can go down to 1700' after LIMES.
Look at note bottom left on 50-1 on Navtech, when NLG is US, you are referred to 10-24, where it will state that with NLG US you can only decent to 2000 initially.

So I guess main difference here is that Jepp played it safe by saying 2000' after LIMES. That covers both cases regarding NLG's serviceability.

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I prefer Jepp in that case, looking up other charts and cross referencing is a pain and could be dangerous. Jepp obviously have our asses covered.
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I prefer Jepp in that case, looking up other charts and cross referencing is a pain and could be dangerous. Jepp obviously have our asses covered.
So do I. I was merely answering your question. Some of the other charts are very cluttered and confusing and the only way to make sense of them is to pull out Jepp and then work out wat they( Navtech) are trying to say.

Look at VMMC LOC 34 chart. Missed App altitude is 6000(eventually), but other Altitudes on there for the Initial appr makes it look like you should go up to FL110. Only once you study it carefully do you see the pitfalls.

I'm willing to bet my bonus that there will be loads of errors on the line and even some failed line checks/upgrades due to the switchover.
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Grammar nazi moment:

The plural of minimum is minima, not minimums or minimas.

(Fascinating note of interest: The plural of maximum is maxima.)
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What is the plural of final? Finals? Hmm... so, how can we be, "on finals," if we'd have to be on two at the same time?

Ha ha.
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Yes, my Ozzie brethren , it's FINAL not FINALS!!!!
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I find them more cluttered than jeeps on some plates. I do like the jeeps that they give the MSA directions so you know which sector you are in, but then again I can't tell direction. Different font could make certain things stand out.
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If you are on final approach and final speed reduction and final minutes of the flight, then thats plural = FINALS!!
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How come it doesn't show the minimum procedural heights of 2,000' and then 1,700' after LIMES?
The new charts actually are correct IAW the HK AIP. http://www.hkatc.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-93A.pdf

Jepp charts were not IAW the HK AIP if NLG was serviceable, the altitudes were only if NLG was U/S, see note 1 on on the chart above.
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 11:09
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The discrepancy with HKG 07L/R Approaches has to do with the fact that Jepp combines the ILS and LOC approach on one chart while Navtech has separate charts for each procedure.

I know that there are pros/cons to each, but on the whole, Navtech wins in my opinion. Jepp presentation has been largely static for 3 decades...
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