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Freighter Rosters

Old 14th Jan 2012, 06:53
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Freighter Rosters

35. Freighter Fleets Rosters: There is no logical justification for rostering freighter-pilots differently to passengers-pilots.

1. Consideration should be given to why freighter pilots are rostered differently to passenger pilots and this anomaly rectified where possible.

2. Consideration should be given to the desirability of freighter-only fleets and this genre ameliorated.

Action: We do not roster our freighter pilots any differently to passenger pilots. We roster all pilots according to the FTLS. No action required.
Really? How many passenger patterns are 12 days long with constant disruption, reams of roster changes, unnecessary EXBs and then have reduced DDOs?
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 07:53
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What meds is he on?

Reality distortion. No freakkin idea. Give me some of that, if he believes it's the same.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 08:02
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I guess he only knows what RH tells him, and ignores what others tell him, and rejects what his very own safety review author tells him.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 08:52
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Cool

it does say write to him if you have any questions!
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 09:01
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How many feighter pilots would like to do a MAN-CDG and back (equivalent to HKG-TPE) and then go home ........ to ireland?? Then repeat the next day or day after.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 09:46
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Whilst sympathetic to your cause is it reasonable for you to expect CX to take your commute into account when constructing your roster? Have you been to CH and asked for longer compacted rosters because you live where you live? Bottom line is to do what I do and find a cheap local hostel and stay the night.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 10:09
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Firstly, are you are DEFO, or did you jump seniority for the quick command?
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 10:22
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Your choice to live in Ireland. Enough said.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 12:51
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Guys .... I was just making a point about the difference between pax and freight rosters. I am not based in MAN, I do not live in Ireland, I have seniority for my position and am quite happy with my roster
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 16:14
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Speedlever:
Firstly, are you are DEFO, or did you jump seniority for the quick command?
And what has that got to do with Freighter rostering?

Anybody that thinks freighter rostering is just an issue for a particular category of pilots that you happen to dislike is being foolishly naive. Freighter patterns are a reality for the majority of 744 pilots and will become so for the 777 fleet in the not too distant future. It is time to fight for sensible rostering practices for ALL pilots, however you choose to label them.

744drv has a valid point, commuters have to accept their choice of where they choose to live and adjust their commute accordingly. However, the reality is that CX operates long haul services out of Europe and not short haul which therefore allows pilots to commute relatively easily. Personally I would be more than happy to go home every night having worked a few hours during my body clock day. That would be a blessed relief from the constant circadian disruption, irrational rostering and circumventing inconvenient parts of the FTLs (eg DEL-FRA delayed to depart at 0200 to avoid a third pilot).
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 23:32
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Rumour is the company will introduce a policy on commuting. They need to cover their arse if an incident / accident occurs and fatigue is an issue and a commute occurred prior to the event.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 03:06
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So the commute before a duty implies you only used air travel? Some guys are driving automobiles for hours before reporting and after flights; how is this allowed for? I think there is a greater fatigue factor for those drivers than those sleeping in business class.

Freighter roster are subject to continual disruption. That is the real problem! Roster changes are never ending.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 06:42
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All Crap

Rosters here in Hong Kong are not so great at the moment.

There really isn't a freighter only roster anymore, as a significant amount of 400 freighters are crewed by crew from Hong Kong formally known as passenger pilots.

Not to mention it would seem our friends on the bases are coming into Hong Kong and doing lots of regional giving them 7-10 day long trips. Perhaps not as disrupted but not ideal.

So I am for fighting for more inout on rosters for all !!


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Old 15th Jan 2012, 06:50
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Unless it has changed in V2P2 became Part A, the current policy is time based: If you need more than 1.5 hours to get to work, you're supposed to do something to obtain suitable accommodations closer to your base and get proper rest.

As for roster disruptions, REPEAT: They can only disrupt your roster if you answer the phone (if you were silly enough to give them your mobile phone number rather than another phone that is OFF except R days) or if you accept/acknowledge the change online. Print your roster on the 15th and show up for that, and just like magic, your roster won't be disrupted...someone else's will be. (Down route disruptions are another can of worms, but see below for a partial fix.)

A slip of paper under your door at a hotel room (or 10 slips, as per freighter roster changes in ANC) which you may or may not see (since you may or may not be staying/sleeping there) does not count either. If you present yourself at dispatch or the hotel lobby as per your current roster, your duty period has just begun...just let CC know you're on duty and let them sort out what to do with you then. Odds are you will end up with a short "fake" reserve and then the day off (before they have to pay you any meal allowance, see Part A).
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 06:54
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EXBs

and disappear on EXBs !!

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Old 15th Jan 2012, 07:04
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Just a word of caution about disappearing from your Hotel/room. I think it's OK to be gone for some reasonable time ie during daylight hours but if your defence for not seeing an envelope under the door is that you weren't there at all you will find you should have furnished CC with alternative contact details.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 07:22
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Cathay Speak

Freighter pilots are rostered no differently because they are rostered according to the same FTL scheme as everyone else. Another example of Cathay speak and of their reluctance to actually take any action on what they have paid H-C to produce when they don't like his answers. There are many other examples in the document which is worth a read and it makes plenty of good recommendations. The responses are just as telling in their own right.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 08:26
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Not so, Arfur.

If you are off duty, there is no requirement to furnish CC your contact details.


To do so otherwise, would make your time there a reserve.


CX runs a (succesful and profitable) international conglomerate by putting bits of paper under doors?! And you want to read said bits of paper?! Oh come on...
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 09:14
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Only two people can screw with your roster......you and crew control.

CC with post flight changes, R day calls etc. Yourself by answering the phone on G days, clicking on the "outstanding roster change" button.

You can do a lot to reduce your own roster disruption.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 09:30
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Hi Jed
I agree absolutely with your remarks about time off and also with Sir Lowe's points. I am pretty certain that, if you decide not to stay in the Company-provided Hotel in your time off, you need to tell them. It's in Part A.
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