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Old 15th Jan 2012, 09:55
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Crew Contacts – Outports

• Crew on Reserve duties away from Home Base are to remain on call in the crew hotel unless specific instructions to the contrary have been issued by the Company.
• Crew not staying in Company provided accommodation shall leave a contact address and telephone number with the Company designated representative, as detailed in the crew briefing sheet, and the flight’s Commander/PIC. Crew are to take a responsible attitude towards their availability so that contact can be made within a reasonable time.

So as long as you are "staying" in the hotel, no problem. Check in, "stay" there, and show up on time, well rested, for your next duty. What you do for leisure inside or outside your hotel room is up to you. As for the last bit about being contactable, it's meaningless, since your rest period is time "free from duty" and you could be sleeping or skiing or drinking or boinking, you are not on reserve, and you do not have a free global roaming mobile phone provided by the company. I think a "reasonable time" to be contacted is when you are back in your room (if you wish) or when you are back on duty.

If they want you on duty by keeping you on reserve, then they should have to credit you for it. Why don't they credit you? Simple: People answer the phone and acknowledge crew direct for free.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 10:09
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Exactly! Thanks for that.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 13:18
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So as long as you are "staying" in the hotel, no problem. Check in, "stay" there, and show up on time, well rested, for your next duty. What you do for leisure inside or outside your hotel room is up to you. As for the last bit about being contactable, it's meaningless, since your rest period is time "free from duty" and you could be sleeping or skiing or drinking or boinking, you are not on reserve, and you do not have a free global roaming mobile phone provided by the company. I think a "reasonable time" to be contacted is when you are back in your room (if you wish) or when you are back on duty.
While I agree with you that this is grey and we should interpret it favorably for us, contactable means that you can't disappear completely. If they have been trying to reach you for 24hours you might have a hard time explaining yourself.

You often get 36hours or more rest in ANC, but only part of that is REQUIRED AFTL / RP rest (Duty + local night requirements).

But I do agree with you Iron, that doesn't mean you are on reserve. You can still be contactable but not be USEABLE, as in "I just had a beer" or "you are not giving me enough notification time to plan my rest", then it is a big "CAN NOT".

Any change in duty for earlier departure requires 12 hours notice, and that is IF (a big IF) it is acceptable to you and you feel you can be rested for it. Remember, that is your responsibility, NOT the company's. So just because it is "legal", does not mean it is "achievable".

And of course, any delay, means the duty auto-starts after 4 hours. In the winter in Anchorage, that most likely means a 4th man or a delay of at least 12 hours. So your first question if you are delayed more than 4 hours is how long your new FDP will be and will we need a fourth man.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 13:34
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It doesn't matter if you are required to stay in the crew hotel. There is no requirement to acknowledge paper under the door, the ringing of a telephone, or a knock. Some people need to understand how to control their rosters!!

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Old 15th Jan 2012, 13:57
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Sqwak7700,

" So just because it is "legal", does not mean it is "achievable". "

not the best way to phrase it

"So just because it is "legal for you to ask", does not mean it is "legal for me to do", would be more correct.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 04:12
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Sleeping

I didn't get the note, because I was sleeping, in preparation for my rostered duty.

Simple.

If the pickup changes, they're supposed to tell the hotel to change the wake up.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 06:42
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I never get any notes either, the hotel staff must be slipping them under the wrong door, just cannot trust these people now can you!

Oh, and the light on the phone never blinks either, I suspect the cleaning ladies accidentally pull out the wires when they dust off the phones, really someone needs to complain to the front desk.

Just show up at reception ready for the pick-up, as per your ROSTER last seen and acknowledged on the 15th of the month, and Bob's your uncle!

Roster instability? What's THAT??
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 07:54
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Egg...frickn....zactly.
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 00:09
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Just show up at reception ready for the pick-up, as per your ROSTER last seen and acknowledged on the 15th of the month, and Bob's your uncle!
The only thing I acknowledge on the 15th, is that it's usually sh1t.
 
Old 19th Jan 2012, 23:04
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This whole thread is a joke. The only defense we have is not answering the phone G days or when off duty on O days. Yes, if you turn up in dispatch in Hong Kong after a changed duty, you may have a shot because the clock just started ticking. But that's about it. Once you are down-route, you are on a leash for days on end. BTW, in ANC, or any hotel, you're not on duty until you're on the plane. Sorry.

Nothing will change until the train set stops moving! Our RP's are simply HORRIBLE. Until they are fixed, nothing will get better. Stop the train set. Fight for what little you have. What a joke this place has become.

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Old 20th Jan 2012, 00:46
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BBB, of course you're right, and yes, not on duty til at the plane, and yes, this is all pathetic, but the train won't stop running.

Got any better ideas? RP07 expired a long time ago, but nobody is doing anything about it, or even thinks anything can be done about it...yet. But nobody is going to stop the train for this either.

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Old 21st Jan 2012, 20:00
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Originally Posted by AD POSSE AD ESSEJ
Just show up at reception ready for the pick-up, as per your ROSTER last seen and acknowledged on the 15th of the month, and Bob's your uncle!
That is utter rubbish and had you have ever tried that you would know that there would be no "pick up" waiting for you and eventually after a few phone calls you would be told to go back to your room. As has been stated your duty begins on the aeroplane not in the hotel reception.
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 03:57
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And whose fault is that?
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Iron Skillet
And whose fault is that?
And which fantasy airline do you work for? Seriously.........caaaaarmon, stock talking total rubbish you tossers.
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