Trouble in HK atc
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Perfect! That lapsap president was still at garbage room sweeping lapsap.
Basically, the union has COB, it is time to queue up for refund before being liquidated.
Basically, the union has COB, it is time to queue up for refund before being liquidated.
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There is no more president in the union since the last apple polisher's resignation, its status is like a night club without pander. Thanks for ruining the hketce business.
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Agree with you gweiloairline. D.D. never take toil, just like all gweilo.And yes, KING KARL TURN BLIND EYES. He is only puppet of MANWELL.
Good news-old American leave next week and angry Englishman also go soon. No loss. Two Danish go soon.
Good news-old American leave next week and angry Englishman also go soon. No loss. Two Danish go soon.
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Then we're just left with you local f*ck wits that
have us holding @ Abbey in VFR weather
Within months of the last expats leaving, local female contollers
Will put two of us together. Thank god for TCAS
New local controllers could hardly be any more useless.
have us holding @ Abbey in VFR weather
Within months of the last expats leaving, local female contollers
Will put two of us together. Thank god for TCAS
New local controllers could hardly be any more useless.
Your right AAIGUY
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The VFR holding is probably a result of getting exact vectors from TD that mirror the published procedure withing RNP tolerances, followed by speed restrictions in 10 kt intervals every 30 seconds.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; A good controller is the one which intervenes ONLY when required, issuing instructions when needed and making sure they are top quality. We have a few here in HKG, but sad to say, they are of the gweilo type - or at least they sound that way.
The local controllers do an incredible job maintaining the train on the tracks with all the effort they put into making life hard for themselves at the same time - the frequency sometimes sounds busier than O'Hare during rush hour. It is amazing how much ATC tries to micromanage the aircraft here.
You guys know that we can get ourselves to the runway, right? You really should travel more in our cockpits, you really need to hear how much harder you are making it on yourselves. Keep in mind, we are not sitting there waiting for your instructions. We are juggling our duties while at the same time talking to you.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; A good controller is the one which intervenes ONLY when required, issuing instructions when needed and making sure they are top quality. We have a few here in HKG, but sad to say, they are of the gweilo type - or at least they sound that way.
The local controllers do an incredible job maintaining the train on the tracks with all the effort they put into making life hard for themselves at the same time - the frequency sometimes sounds busier than O'Hare during rush hour. It is amazing how much ATC tries to micromanage the aircraft here.
You guys know that we can get ourselves to the runway, right? You really should travel more in our cockpits, you really need to hear how much harder you are making it on yourselves. Keep in mind, we are not sitting there waiting for your instructions. We are juggling our duties while at the same time talking to you.
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AAIGUY and snoop,
It was a strong accusation against us. Please give me the facts. If there was any lost of separation or RA, why didn't you file an ASR?
Why there shouldn't be any holding in VMC? What kind of logic was that? Can you give me a place that ATC will not vector or hold you? EGLL, KLAX or RJAA?
Some gweilos are leaving, so what! They are no better than anyone, maybe you are trying to say the gweilos are incident free.
Keep in mind, we don't want to give any instructions to you, but we are juggling our duties while at the same time talking to you.
Don't just ask us to come to your cockpit, do come to our place to get rid of your tunnel vision.
Here was a comment made by a gweilo - your race.
" I really don't know where they get these pilots from! "
LOL
It was a strong accusation against us. Please give me the facts. If there was any lost of separation or RA, why didn't you file an ASR?
Why there shouldn't be any holding in VMC? What kind of logic was that? Can you give me a place that ATC will not vector or hold you? EGLL, KLAX or RJAA?
Some gweilos are leaving, so what! They are no better than anyone, maybe you are trying to say the gweilos are incident free.
Keep in mind, we don't want to give any instructions to you, but we are juggling our duties while at the same time talking to you.
Don't just ask us to come to your cockpit, do come to our place to get rid of your tunnel vision.
Here was a comment made by a gweilo - your race.
" I really don't know where they get these pilots from! "
LOL
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agnes,
me no like expat controller, much problem, but must admit that they much better than local controller. So, Agnes, you have head up your a#se.Management to blame for recruiting and training local monkeys,most should be working in Watsons,on the perfume counter.
me no like expat controller, much problem, but must admit that they much better than local controller. So, Agnes, you have head up your a#se.Management to blame for recruiting and training local monkeys,most should be working in Watsons,on the perfume counter.
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You white expats have a seriously over inflated sense of self-importance.
Years of foreign imperialistic influence has created a sense of inferiority that puts up with, and even believe some of this racist bull****. The new nationalistic education curriculum will fix this for future generations.
You white expats should go home and try your racist attitudes there, and see how well your bigotry is received by your fellow countrymen.
Years of foreign imperialistic influence has created a sense of inferiority that puts up with, and even believe some of this racist bull****. The new nationalistic education curriculum will fix this for future generations.
You white expats should go home and try your racist attitudes there, and see how well your bigotry is received by your fellow countrymen.
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It's not bigotry or racism when it's based on fact.
Expat controllers move more plans efficiently.
Local female controllers do not.
Flying with a local pilot the other day he
mentioned it too.
It's a question of them sucking not race.
Dont even try to compare yourself to real controller's
in Chicago or where ever.. They can can have
2-3 times to movements HK manages..
( except of course when CX blocked a runway with
A A330 last year.. Then 2 western guys doubled the
movements on one runway)
Again.. It's not racism. It's experience.
New controllers in the western works work their way
up to a airport like LA or London. They don't start there.
Expat controllers move more plans efficiently.
Local female controllers do not.
Flying with a local pilot the other day he
mentioned it too.
It's a question of them sucking not race.
Dont even try to compare yourself to real controller's
in Chicago or where ever.. They can can have
2-3 times to movements HK manages..
( except of course when CX blocked a runway with
A A330 last year.. Then 2 western guys doubled the
movements on one runway)
Again.. It's not racism. It's experience.
New controllers in the western works work their way
up to a airport like LA or London. They don't start there.
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Here are some more facts..
World's busiest airports by traffic movements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hong Kong isn't even in the top 30.
No third runway needed. Lots of those places
Only have 2.
New Western managers and Controllers required.
World's busiest airports by traffic movements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hong Kong isn't even in the top 30.
No third runway needed. Lots of those places
Only have 2.
New Western managers and Controllers required.
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I didn't want to mention it but you insisted.
Did you know that one of the "western controllers" had two serious incidents thereafter?
Arrogance and ignorance were the causes.
This was your beloved western controller.
Did you know that one of the "western controllers" had two serious incidents thereafter?
Arrogance and ignorance were the causes.
This was your beloved western controller.
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Not wishing to take sides, but I flew to HK quite regularly in the past and received most excellent service from all controllers when things were going well. It was a welcome change to the rather more chaotic ATC experienced on the flight over.
Maybe it was pure coincidence but as soon as a typhoon or large family of thunderstorms visited the FIR all the accents on the R/T became brit/aussie/canadian...
S.
Maybe it was pure coincidence but as soon as a typhoon or large family of thunderstorms visited the FIR all the accents on the R/T became brit/aussie/canadian...
S.
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Why can't tower handle runway changes? The approach controllers tell us that they aren't allowed to request RWY changes to tower??? the amount of times we're on final for 07L or 25R and can clearly see no one is near lining up when we would have landed on the other runway is a joke, it obviously benefits the freighters but also pax A/C parking on the south side. Is this a "cannot" outside the box scenario?
Can we request a sidestep on twr if you won't let approach do it for us?
Can we request a sidestep on twr if you won't let approach do it for us?
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SMOC - please don't get us sidesteps. Us here boys who invented flying at Cx could never handle that kind of workload. We are too busy trying to remember all our mouth music to do sidesteps. 
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Don't just ask us to come to your cockpit, do come to our place to get rid of your tunnel vision.
Keep in mind, we don't want to give any instructions to you, but we are juggling our duties while at the same time talking to you.
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GUY & HIS DOG
You are not only big bigots but also racists and chauvinists!
My GF in HK ATC tells me that Squawk 7700 are told to hold VMC Abbey
because the APP expats (drunken Aussies, sloppy Englishmen, arrogant
yankees, etc etc) just couldnt handle more than 3 on vectors and had to
ask their Western Managers to tell Area Control to hold them outside!
The Area Control local managers complain to their local chiefs
but get no result.
So believe Agnes, it will only get worse if ALL managers are turned Western!
You are not only big bigots but also racists and chauvinists!
My GF in HK ATC tells me that Squawk 7700 are told to hold VMC Abbey
because the APP expats (drunken Aussies, sloppy Englishmen, arrogant
yankees, etc etc) just couldnt handle more than 3 on vectors and had to
ask their Western Managers to tell Area Control to hold them outside!
The Area Control local managers complain to their local chiefs
but get no result.
So believe Agnes, it will only get worse if ALL managers are turned Western!
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Gweilo you sound like a disgruntled wanna-be ATCO whose English skills prevent him/her from getting the job. Maybe you should stick with your current profession; ATC controller is not for everyone.
Sorry to be the bearer of some sobering truths, it is for your own benefit.
Sorry to be the bearer of some sobering truths, it is for your own benefit.