Trouble in HK atc
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Chinese National Front?
off!. Splitters!We're the National Front of China!
Not to be confused with the Popular Peoples Front of China.
Or the People's Popular Front of....
Oh, forget it.
Last one out, turn the lights off.
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Not to be confused with the Popular Front for the Liberation of...
In summer, when the days are long,
CAD, perhaps you'll understand the song:
P.S. Strewth, there's no truth either in the rumour that Hong Kong Airlines is the secret buyer of A380's, it's Gweilo Airlines, of course, that's the true buyer. But keep it under your hat mate or that other HK Airline (the one with the thing that looks like a Gweilo on the tail) will get jealous.
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7 : 1
People keep saying that 7 against 1 is an act of cowardice – so what? Getting the President of the Association to squeal like a mouse in front of 7 Managers followed by making him put in writing there are no staffing issues at all - actually there is a surplus of controllers in HK……………............and finally seeing him resign as President of the Association for ‘family reasons’ made it all worthwhile. This clearly illustrates how Management intends to deal with anybody who tries to be too clever. Management realizes he received plenty of help from so-called ‘experts’ of the Association who helped him write to Management and these persons will feel the full force of our sledgehammer soon. Thanks to our cronies we are in the process of identifying them. Once identified they too will be dealt with. We wish to ‘educate’ these sorry individuals.
Most controllers still remember that HKATCA had an expat as President in the not too distant past. He had many clever ideas about TOIL, leave and staffing. He also told Management how to do its job. For this he paid the ultimate price: no new contract! He was begging for a new contract and of course he was continuously given hope that he would get an extension – only to be disappointed on the very last day – such a shame! Seeing his hope turn to despair – ah, sweet memories. He simply broke down in tears and could not handle it - f@ggot!
Now the Association has no President at all and Management warns anybody wanting this job to think very carefully. Of course, Management will still allow the Association to exist in order to show the world what an excellent place our atc is, but we must make sure the new President has the correct attitude and works in the spirit of Management.
To further demonstrate the Management’s Open Culture Policy colleagues can rest assured that we are always interested in free exchange of views between controllers and Management. Our door is always open. Please come in!
Most controllers still remember that HKATCA had an expat as President in the not too distant past. He had many clever ideas about TOIL, leave and staffing. He also told Management how to do its job. For this he paid the ultimate price: no new contract! He was begging for a new contract and of course he was continuously given hope that he would get an extension – only to be disappointed on the very last day – such a shame! Seeing his hope turn to despair – ah, sweet memories. He simply broke down in tears and could not handle it - f@ggot!
Now the Association has no President at all and Management warns anybody wanting this job to think very carefully. Of course, Management will still allow the Association to exist in order to show the world what an excellent place our atc is, but we must make sure the new President has the correct attitude and works in the spirit of Management.
To further demonstrate the Management’s Open Culture Policy colleagues can rest assured that we are always interested in free exchange of views between controllers and Management. Our door is always open. Please come in!
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there are very few unhappy controllers here, the very few are just those in this forum. most of the controllers are in general happy to the management. they know the management has been trying hard to improve the working environment. thanks to everyone, if not all, at 3/4 floors of their hard work.
Last but not least, no more early-go please, late break corrupts controllers' mindset. it is a corruption. it is an offense to csr. be a good civil servant!
Last but not least, no more early-go please, late break corrupts controllers' mindset. it is a corruption. it is an offense to csr. be a good civil servant!
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hk aid tea sea aids has no hope!
dying union?! died long time ago.
the last few presidents suck.
no one pay membership fee nowadays.
they still call themselves union. they were called "social club" years ago. it is now worse than that. no surprise, the whole crap is run by a bunch of brush shoe boys and girls.
the last president is hiding himself as an X-cun, useless small bastard as president. carry a title as president trying to shine himself in front of satco (the club should be renamed as hk.student.atca) and all his peers in his little kingdom in fragrant harbour air catdead. eat banana! 
no hope.
the last few presidents suck.
no one pay membership fee nowadays.
they still call themselves union. they were called "social club" years ago. it is now worse than that. no surprise, the whole cra
p is run by a bunch of brush shoe boys and girls.the last president is hiding himself as an X-cun, useless small bast
ard as president. carry a title as president trying to shine himself in front of satco (the club should be renamed as hk.student.atca) and all his peers in his little kingdom in fragrant harbour air catdead. eat banana! no hope.
EARLY-GO (really a Level 4 ???)
Seriously, do you think we should have an effective Union or not?
I guess if you are happy to be treated the way we have been lately then there's no point reading further.
If, on the other hand, you consider having a say in your future is worthwhile, what have you done to improve it, given that you don't hold the previous Executive in high regard?
Why not pay your fees and have a say in the way things are run. Perhaps even run for Office?
Or are you one of these people who like to bring up lots of problems but has no solutions?
I guess if you are happy to be treated the way we have been lately then there's no point reading further.
If, on the other hand, you consider having a say in your future is worthwhile, what have you done to improve it, given that you don't hold the previous Executive in high regard?
Why not pay your fees and have a say in the way things are run. Perhaps even run for Office?
Or are you one of these people who like to bring up lots of problems but has no solutions?
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The real topic
Vectored today into 25R with 20' offset that would SIMPLY NOT (4500') provide a real intercept by River. Local accent. Extreme VFR.... 250kts from 200+ miles away. Good luck.
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union goes to the west
why should i pay to make such meaningful protest? i never pay money to this club. they are even worser than a club. seeing how these boys/girls polish the senior officers' shoes are quite entertaining.
i might join the union if they dare to present a paper to management on BAN THE EARLY GO aka LATE BREAK. i pay my last decades membership fees!!
i might join the union if they dare to present a paper to management on BAN THE EARLY GO aka LATE BREAK. i pay my last decades membership fees!!
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EG,
Your posts are getting funnier by the day.
HKATCA isn't a union,it's an association that is part of IFATCA.I never could see how they had any bargaining powers the way for example Prospect has with Nats.
Prospect is about 1000 times more powerful than HKATCA,and is now regarded in Nats as a lame duck.
So you are free to do as your told by management under the CSRs,and that your lot.The only time HKATCA could be useful,is that if you manage to weld some planes together,and judging by your posts I really hope you are not operational,then they might get a better legal team than legal aid would allow.Think about it,we all make ckups now and again.
Your posts are getting funnier by the day.
HKATCA isn't a union,it's an association that is part of IFATCA.I never could see how they had any bargaining powers the way for example Prospect has with Nats.
Prospect is about 1000 times more powerful than HKATCA,and is now regarded in Nats as a lame duck.
So you are free to do as your told by management under the CSRs,and that your lot.The only time HKATCA could be useful,is that if you manage to weld some planes together,and judging by your posts I really hope you are not operational,then they might get a better legal team than legal aid would allow.Think about it,we all make c
kups now and again.
Can someone explain to me why we are now receiving regular delays into HKG and not one single notam has been generated to plan for ATC holding.
I spend most of the journey travelling through china at altitudes 15000' below optimum, to then receive an instruction to reduce speed and hold. All my contingency fuel has evaporated, there is no weather within 50nm of the airport!
They want to build a third runway in this place and they cant even deal with two at the moment and it still hasn't reached it's capacity!
Something has gotta give and its not the bull@#$t politics within the nursery!
I spend most of the journey travelling through china at altitudes 15000' below optimum, to then receive an instruction to reduce speed and hold. All my contingency fuel has evaporated, there is no weather within 50nm of the airport!
They want to build a third runway in this place and they cant even deal with two at the moment and it still hasn't reached it's capacity!
Something has gotta give and its not the bull@#$t politics within the nursery!
So I guess u missed the article in the SCMP KABOY saying that they are already looking into a 4th runway.....
Yep, also had holding as well recently, as well as speed reductions as well as the "left 180, then turn right 360". So it looks like more extra fuel on top of the extra recommended (plus a little bit extra of course..
)
b.
Yep, also had holding as well recently, as well as speed reductions as well as the "left 180, then turn right 360". So it looks like more extra fuel on top of the extra recommended (plus a little bit extra of course..
)b.
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First time in a big plane?
So what, it's not like you're going to run out of gas. Very simple: Go with the flow and either divert or declare an emergency, either way you land. Notice how neither of those things happens very often?
Save your energy for the real problems and emergencies.
Also, have you figured out yet that you usually get paid more if you fly more? Once that starts bothering your company, then they will deal with the causes. You're just the driver, just another little employee.
So what, it's not like you're going to run out of gas. Very simple: Go with the flow and either divert or declare an emergency, either way you land. Notice how neither of those things happens very often?
Save your energy for the real problems and emergencies.
Also, have you figured out yet that you usually get paid more if you fly more? Once that starts bothering your company, then they will deal with the causes. You're just the driver, just another little employee.
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Third runway at Hong Kong International Airport ‘going to be needed’ - Cathay Pacific - FlyerTalk Forums
happy reading
it's all there
13 pages so far
happy reading
it's all there
13 pages so far
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Xenophobia
watsup/TOIL/EARLY-GO (one single person logging on with 3 different user names), are you for real? Declaring holy war against Tower controllers who “always take EGs” - mainly gweilos according to your manifesto. In fact, they are the real cause of all problems in HK atc – a place where almost everybody is happy all the time, if you are to be believed!
Did your sweetheart run off with some gweilo in the past and left you feeling angry, hurt & vindictive?
Did your sweetheart run off with some gweilo in the past and left you feeling angry, hurt & vindictive?
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Xeno..
How cum you so smart?
You smart enough to work on 4 th. floor, or maybe already there???
How cum you know about my girlfriend who run away with gweilo and very happy-la living overseas. Why she do this to me ??? wHY NOT SHE LIKE LIVING IN 440 SQ. APARTMENT,EAT rice everyday,do the kary-o.k.,breathe lovely air,have 4 mobile phones.
I thought she velly happy.Me now loser, like most of my colleagues.
How cum you so smart?
You smart enough to work on 4 th. floor, or maybe already there???
How cum you know about my girlfriend who run away with gweilo and very happy-la living overseas. Why she do this to me ??? wHY NOT SHE LIKE LIVING IN 440 SQ. APARTMENT,EAT rice everyday,do the kary-o.k.,breathe lovely air,have 4 mobile phones.
I thought she velly happy.Me now loser, like most of my colleagues.
