Pay Talks on 13th Dec
Joined: Oct 2008
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From: On a few nerves apparently
Yep, there's definately something fishy about it if it's taking this long for them to make up their mind about it. The longer it takes, the more obvious it will become. Sadly, our golden chance to negotiate with the only language they undertand over the busy holidays is very quickly passing by. Think about it... How do the other work groups here ever get anything they want? Is it ever via anything other than hardball language (action)? Nope. Why would we expect anything different? Do we think we're special? They certainly don't.
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From: hONG kONG
With respect F10, going CC during the holidays would be an absolute PR disaster. The travelling public will know that all the crews, and groundstaff, are working their butts off to get them home to their families after the UK wx dramas. Take the brownies for that and keep your powder dry for a more appropriate occasion where families aren't directly inconvenienced.
Anyway I am very confident that we will get such a stunning surprise that the words CC will be deleted from our CX dictionary eh?
Anyway I am very confident that we will get such a stunning surprise that the words CC will be deleted from our CX dictionary eh?
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To the GC: Fellas, it has now been almost a week. Plenty of time to tidy up any loose ends. You can't expect the members to remain patient much longer. We have a right (yes, right) to hear the details. If something is not out by Thursday you risk a rising backlash. It doesn't matter what your reasons are for the holdup, it has now been almost a week....enough. Send us a breakdown of the offer. We are all grownups and can make up our own mind on what to think.
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From: therebedragons
Any guesses?
Ok, I'll go with:
1. 5% and 4% rise in base pay in 2011/12 respectively, with
2. 2% rise in HDP for same period, in return for:
ANOTHER "one off" option to switch to COS08(11??) for RA65.
Any advances on this?!?
1. 5% and 4% rise in base pay in 2011/12 respectively, with
2. 2% rise in HDP for same period, in return for:
ANOTHER "one off" option to switch to COS08(11??) for RA65.
Any advances on this?!?
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From: UK
Absolutely. Please don't post any details.
And let's not start slagging off the AOA. This is a 100% more than we would have got without an association. Our fellow pilots have tried their best.....and all of it in their spare time. Thanks for trying.
That said, I'm not surprised at the offer. This is how much the company values us. Same team, different dream.
And let's not start slagging off the AOA. This is a 100% more than we would have got without an association. Our fellow pilots have tried their best.....and all of it in their spare time. Thanks for trying.
That said, I'm not surprised at the offer. This is how much the company values us. Same team, different dream.
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From: No where
An example as to why the offer is woefully inadequate: This from the Daily Telegraph, today in London. As a review of this commentary shows, we can expect inflation of 5% or MORE in the coming year in the UK. This latest pay offer doesn't even address the past TEN years of inflationary erosion of our salaries, never mind the hyper inflation that is about to burst upon us. If we lock ourselves into this inadequate 28 month deal, we will be even further behind by the end of it. We need to demonstrate now that we deserve and demand a proper pay offer.
"As recently as February, the Bank was forecasting CPI inflation of 1.5pc by the end of 2010. That estimate has proved to be woefully wrong. But it was clear a long time ago that would be the case.
Every single month this year, inflation has been either on, or above, the "upper acceptable limit" of 3pc. Measured by the far more accurate RPI measure, inflation has spent several recent months at 5pc or more.
The November inflation number was driven by the high price of food and clothing. What's even more important than the specifics is that, with the Bank's monetary policy committee having down-played repeated inflation over-shoots, the UK's inflation-fighting credibility is now being widely questioned.
Survey evidence shows inflation expectations just surged to their highest level for more than two years, a sign that above-target price increases could become embedded in the minds of consumers.
People questioned during November expect CPI inflation of 3.9pc in 2011, sharply up on previous estimates. And that was before oil prices jumped another $8 a barrel this month – a rise that will soon feed through into motorists' petrol costs, hiking inflation concerns even more".
"As recently as February, the Bank was forecasting CPI inflation of 1.5pc by the end of 2010. That estimate has proved to be woefully wrong. But it was clear a long time ago that would be the case.
Every single month this year, inflation has been either on, or above, the "upper acceptable limit" of 3pc. Measured by the far more accurate RPI measure, inflation has spent several recent months at 5pc or more.
The November inflation number was driven by the high price of food and clothing. What's even more important than the specifics is that, with the Bank's monetary policy committee having down-played repeated inflation over-shoots, the UK's inflation-fighting credibility is now being widely questioned.
Survey evidence shows inflation expectations just surged to their highest level for more than two years, a sign that above-target price increases could become embedded in the minds of consumers.
People questioned during November expect CPI inflation of 3.9pc in 2011, sharply up on previous estimates. And that was before oil prices jumped another $8 a barrel this month – a rise that will soon feed through into motorists' petrol costs, hiking inflation concerns even more".