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For those of you who are 'inclined' to accept the offer, here are a few specific examples of what inflation has done to our salaries, and associated living standards:
From 2000 through 2010:
Homeowners insurance UP 108%
Gallon of Heating Oil UP 150%
Property Taxes UP 77%
Average Electricity Bill UP 50%
Petrol UP 140%
Medical expenses UP 143%
Potato UP 67%
Egg UP 93%
Bread UP 50%
Needless to say, the pay rise offered is NOT EVEN CLOSE to making up for numbers such as the ones quoted above. If CX feels they can hold back pay for a decade, then give a 10% raise....then probably plan on holding it back for another decade...then more fool us if we accept. They need to address the epic erosion in the true value of our salaries these past 10 years. Until they make an offer that does that, then we must reject any half way offers.
From 2000 through 2010:
Homeowners insurance UP 108%
Gallon of Heating Oil UP 150%
Property Taxes UP 77%
Average Electricity Bill UP 50%
Petrol UP 140%
Medical expenses UP 143%
Potato UP 67%
Egg UP 93%
Bread UP 50%
Needless to say, the pay rise offered is NOT EVEN CLOSE to making up for numbers such as the ones quoted above. If CX feels they can hold back pay for a decade, then give a 10% raise....then probably plan on holding it back for another decade...then more fool us if we accept. They need to address the epic erosion in the true value of our salaries these past 10 years. Until they make an offer that does that, then we must reject any half way offers.
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how do you forsee things playing out if the deal is knocked back?.
Do you think we should go straight into contract compliance, or give the company a brief opportunity to raise the offer?
From chatting to guys, I think its going to be about 50/50. Most guys seem torn between taking what they can get, whilst at the same time knowing its a sh!t deal.
how do you forsee things playing out if the deal is knocked back?.
Do you think we should go straight into contract compliance, or give the company a brief opportunity to raise the offer?
From chatting to guys, I think its going to be about 50/50. Most guys seem torn between taking what they can get, whilst at the same time knowing its a sh!t deal.
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Your Cathay?
Hi Hoof, is it your Cathay, or my Cathay,or their Cathay? Or maybe,
you're in a situation where you should had paid more attention to your English lessons at school.
you're in a situation where you should had paid more attention to your English lessons at school.
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Well Mark, it could be argued that "all of the above" are correct. But hey - the accuracy of the sentiment expeessed still remains regardless of the level of my education. 
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Sometimes I wonder at the age and maturity level of people who post here. I just hope that the infantile corrections to grammar etc are not coming from pilots but from their children perhaps. Back to the post. Don't you think Cathay management would love you to vote NO? Then, as has happened a few times previously, nothing is given and it will take another ten years to start clawing a bit back. Take the money offered guys and then in due course look for a more equitable increase. CC etc frightens no one.
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Don't accept the offer. This shoud be an increase in pay to EVERYONE, with no riders , not "we will give you this for that"- it should be a straight pay increase - simple! These people are sh!t scared of CC, now is the time to go for the throat and get back what we are entitled to. They isolate goups whom they think have no support (A scale), who will be next? It should be a straight pay rise for all with no attachments NOT this pathetic offer.
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That's it route go for the throat. But which throat, I wonder, will end up being cut? Given the historical record, world wide, of the almost complete lack of pilot union successes when involved in industrial action I feel certain that Swire management are quaking in their boots. My advice remains, take what you can when you can and then ask for more a bit later.
Discussion on this pay offer should be kept to the AOA forum. You have to be an HKAOA member to vote on it. If you are not, you are irrelevant to any discussion on this subject.
You have a choice: join up if you are a Cathay Pacific pilot, or mind your own bloody business
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You have a choice: join up if you are a Cathay Pacific pilot, or mind your own bloody business
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My goodness but you are a sensitive little bunch. Whether or not I am or wish to be in the AOA is none of your concern, whether the pay increase affects me or not is my business. By the way Dart old chap, whoever in your tight little band of brothers is sharing information with a certain reporter on the SCMP has elevated this topic to the public domain - too late to close the door now. The letters to the editor will be starting soon and I would bet big bucks, if I was a gambling man, that they will not be very supportive of pilots. Don't care, I hear you say. OK.
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.....I would bet big bucks, if I was a gambling man, that they.....
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You read them for the same reason as everyone else - it's somewhere you can get things off your chest, have an argument without having a domestic dispute, have a bit of a laugh and, from time to time, read a compelling, incisive, intelligent, well-structured post, not necessarily on industrial matters from our myopic point of view.
It's social networking under a different guise, the twist being that you might be having a serious difference of opinion with one of your best friends without even knowing it.
No-one's going to change the world here and it's highly unlikely that anyone will change another's point of view, although a reasoned argument might make someone take time to reflect on his or her position and make them think why they take that position - is it a firmly held belief or simply going along with the crowd?
That's why you read them.
Not only that, from time to time you get the chance to improve your English. Now, unless you read another forum on this site, your last post really should have said, "I don't know why I even read this forum..." i.e the singular. If you do read elsewhere on the site, some might argue that fora would, strictly speaking, be correct. However, I disagree and think that in modern English, forums is perfectly acceptable, so well done, go to the top of the class.
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You read them for the same reason as everyone else - it's somewhere you can get things off your chest, have an argument without having a domestic dispute, have a bit of a laugh and, from time to time, read a compelling, incisive, intelligent, well-structured post, not necessarily on industrial matters from our myopic point of view.
It's social networking under a different guise, the twist being that you might be having a serious difference of opinion with one of your best friends without even knowing it.
No-one's going to change the world here and it's highly unlikely that anyone will change another's point of view, although a reasoned argument might make someone take time to reflect on his or her position and make them think why they take that position - is it a firmly held belief or simply going along with the crowd?
That's why you read them.
Not only that, from time to time you get the chance to improve your English. Now, unless you read another forum on this site, your last post really should have said, "I don't know why I even read this forum..." i.e the singular. If you do read elsewhere on the site, some might argue that fora would, strictly speaking, be correct. However, I disagree and think that in modern English, forums is perfectly acceptable, so well done, go to the top of the class.
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