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G day workers
Got a call from CC, even promised me G day call-out payment when I eventually listened to the message. Still I couldn't be bothered. Checked the roster later and some idiot obviously said yes on his G day (I checked his roster).
He didn't look close to 84H, once again cheap labour was used instead of the more expensive reserve rostered pilot close to his 84H.
To make matters worse, this guy is a member of the AOA. Why do I keep on saying no on G days just for some other idiot to accept and help CC out.
This must be why I never do overtime when on reserve, maybe I must start answering G day calls.....
He didn't look close to 84H, once again cheap labour was used instead of the more expensive reserve rostered pilot close to his 84H.
To make matters worse, this guy is a member of the AOA. Why do I keep on saying no on G days just for some other idiot to accept and help CC out.
This must be why I never do overtime when on reserve, maybe I must start answering G day calls.....
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Maybe you could post his name on the AOA forums so we all know who he is. I think people will stop working G days when they realize that others know who they are.
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hey ..here's a novel idea...why don't you guys just do what it it is you want to do, and....wait for it...forget about who gets called instead of you.....accept that some of your colleagues might not have the same hypocritical, negative, whingeing attitude that you have, and accept that as individuals, everyone has a choice....If you are demanding naming and shaming of others then you be the first to show your true colours...and name yourselves.
you all talk about working as a group as a whole, so those of you approaching overtime, who will not entertain the idea of a g day call for long haul trip that nets you a few thousand $HK..then hats off to you..I admire your principles...I think many on this forum however arent in that bracket....for you others...stop fretting about what everyone else is doing, do what you feel is right and stop moaning
you all talk about working as a group as a whole, so those of you approaching overtime, who will not entertain the idea of a g day call for long haul trip that nets you a few thousand $HK..then hats off to you..I admire your principles...I think many on this forum however arent in that bracket....for you others...stop fretting about what everyone else is doing, do what you feel is right and stop moaning
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Working "G" days
Maybe those of you who whinge about being asked to work on a rostered "G" day ought to remember that you are not compelled to accept. It is, afterall, a request. Maybe you would rather a scheme where you spent a roster period solely on Reserve. I never was a fan of the AOA but I knew it was a matter of choice also. If Cathay Pacific is such a rotten employer why don't you go work for someone else, I'm sure there is a Utopia somewhere. There again, maybe not for some of you. I'm with Sorvad on this one.
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Thank you for all the insightful contributions. Just more prove that the AOA will never be able to stand in unity.
With people like you expect further degrading of conditions, no pay increase, tougher FTL's.
And when this all happen, don't bitch about it on the line. Suck it up like the big boys you are.
With people like you expect further degrading of conditions, no pay increase, tougher FTL's.
And when this all happen, don't bitch about it on the line. Suck it up like the big boys you are.
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Sorvad
Please read my post again, i said "on the line", which is vastly different from "on line".
My original quote refers to whilst at work, busy flying. You in a very vein attempt to make some sort of vague point refers to doing it here on the www.
But please don't worry, even you will grow up one day.
Please read my post again, i said "on the line", which is vastly different from "on line".
My original quote refers to whilst at work, busy flying. You in a very vein attempt to make some sort of vague point refers to doing it here on the www.
But please don't worry, even you will grow up one day.
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I am all for individuals making their own choices and doing what they consider is best for them. I am also very opposed to any form of intimidation - company, union, one-on-one BUT....
By working G Days one is only pushing the pineapple up ones own six (this fun is normally reserved for our managers).
If you work a G day you take overtime pay away from someone else. If the company pays too much overtime it becomes cheaper for them to promote. So by working a G day in the short term you cheat someone out of overtime and in the slightly longer term you cheat someone out of a promotion.
For each promotion there is a knock effect of another promotion and more recruitment - the whole food chain moves up a notch.
Don't work a G day unless it is the last day of the roster, the trip is a long one and you are already in overtime!
By working G Days one is only pushing the pineapple up ones own six (this fun is normally reserved for our managers).
If you work a G day you take overtime pay away from someone else. If the company pays too much overtime it becomes cheaper for them to promote. So by working a G day in the short term you cheat someone out of overtime and in the slightly longer term you cheat someone out of a promotion.
For each promotion there is a knock effect of another promotion and more recruitment - the whole food chain moves up a notch.
Don't work a G day unless it is the last day of the roster, the trip is a long one and you are already in overtime!
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You know all we have to do is stick together and if we don't then the consequences are diabolical.
Do you really think that CX will one day surprise us with a pay rise that we did not expect.
The answer is NO.
Did this company, the company that withheld a 13 month "discretionary" bonus and then make a massive profit say to its' staff. "Well we were not actually sure how much profit would be made during the GFC and so we withheld the 13 month. However, as we have made an outstanding profit, we have decided to pay that month to you. And by the way well done."
No No No they said " here is an advance payment on your future profit share."
These accountants who call themselves managers are only in it for themselves.
They will keep taking from their colleagues to feather their own nest and unless we make a stand we are doomed.
It sickens me to read some of these posts, most of which are probably written by the "I will retire at 40 brigade."
SORVAD:
HERE IS A GOOD IDEA:-
You pull your head in as you are cutting your nose off to spite your face by supporting G'Day workers.
And by the way join the union and support your fellow aviators.
If you want your salary and benefits to erode just stay the course and do nothing but do not knock those that are working for your payrise, if any.
OLD FELLA:
Well you should know better. I am sick and tired of being disturbed in the early hours of the morning on my G'Day to see if I would like to take the salary of those high houred reserve pilots. On reserve you get messed around and therefore have a right to earn some extra cash. It shouldn't go to some selfish individual with a cash calculator next to his phone.
DUYENTRANSVESTITE:
You are just some idiot newbee, probably a management suck in line who has nothing to say. You will fit in well in line ops.
Go Away.
F ONE:
Man I am with you. G'day workers are going for short term gain for long term pain. They will learn one day but it will be the hard way. Doing their mates out of money, If hey have a command they are delaying the commands of others. If they don't have a command they are delaying themselves. These guys need Tossco's "Big Picture" and sleep with it. Nothing will change unless change happens among the ranks.
CX LINE DRIVER:
Well said old fella. Next thing that these juveniles, who work G'Days, will say is "where is my Command".
AND DON'T GET ME WRONG I have witnessed very senoir captains who openly brag about undermining their mates for a few scheckles.
G'day workers are a bunch of greedy toss pots who should remember that when they are on 84 hrs and have a couple more reserves to do that some body some where will whip the carpet from under their feet for their own self greed.
SORVARD YOU REALLY ARE A SAD T@SSER!!!
TO ALL OF YOU:
Show some unity
The HKAOA asks of us one thing.
WEAR YOUR LANYARD so that we are seen to be seen!
Do you really think that CX will one day surprise us with a pay rise that we did not expect.
The answer is NO.
Did this company, the company that withheld a 13 month "discretionary" bonus and then make a massive profit say to its' staff. "Well we were not actually sure how much profit would be made during the GFC and so we withheld the 13 month. However, as we have made an outstanding profit, we have decided to pay that month to you. And by the way well done."
No No No they said " here is an advance payment on your future profit share."
These accountants who call themselves managers are only in it for themselves.
They will keep taking from their colleagues to feather their own nest and unless we make a stand we are doomed.
It sickens me to read some of these posts, most of which are probably written by the "I will retire at 40 brigade."
SORVAD:
HERE IS A GOOD IDEA:-
You pull your head in as you are cutting your nose off to spite your face by supporting G'Day workers.
And by the way join the union and support your fellow aviators.
If you want your salary and benefits to erode just stay the course and do nothing but do not knock those that are working for your payrise, if any.
OLD FELLA:
Well you should know better. I am sick and tired of being disturbed in the early hours of the morning on my G'Day to see if I would like to take the salary of those high houred reserve pilots. On reserve you get messed around and therefore have a right to earn some extra cash. It shouldn't go to some selfish individual with a cash calculator next to his phone.
DUYENTRANSVESTITE:
You are just some idiot newbee, probably a management suck in line who has nothing to say. You will fit in well in line ops.
Go Away.
F ONE:
Man I am with you. G'day workers are going for short term gain for long term pain. They will learn one day but it will be the hard way. Doing their mates out of money, If hey have a command they are delaying the commands of others. If they don't have a command they are delaying themselves. These guys need Tossco's "Big Picture" and sleep with it. Nothing will change unless change happens among the ranks.
CX LINE DRIVER:
Well said old fella. Next thing that these juveniles, who work G'Days, will say is "where is my Command".
AND DON'T GET ME WRONG I have witnessed very senoir captains who openly brag about undermining their mates for a few scheckles.
G'day workers are a bunch of greedy toss pots who should remember that when they are on 84 hrs and have a couple more reserves to do that some body some where will whip the carpet from under their feet for their own self greed.
SORVARD YOU REALLY ARE A SAD T@SSER!!!
TO ALL OF YOU:
Show some unity
The HKAOA asks of us one thing.
WEAR YOUR LANYARD so that we are seen to be seen!
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What we need is a rule that states "no pilot on G (or O) day will be called out instead of a pilot on reserve, for the sole purpose of avoiding or reducing EFP"
But then, hey, I know a rule similarly phrased. And CC probably often forget it exists.
But then, hey, I know a rule similarly phrased. And CC probably often forget it exists.