G day workers
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
Jizz, if you read my post properly I stated I am in my third decade; that doesn't mean I have been in CX 30 years (God forbid); it means that I am somewhere between 21 and 31 years in the company.
And I'm not yet 55, so put a sock in it. I hope that your flying is of a higher standard than your reading comprehension
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And I'm not yet 55, so put a sock in it. I hope that your flying is of a higher standard than your reading comprehension
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From: Wingham NSW Australia
Pay Scales and bygone days
CodyBlade, Farman Biplane,Wraith & Captain Dart. I accept that things obviously are different in CX these days compared to what I remember. Common Jet Salary replaced B707, L1011 and B747 pay scales in the early 1980's, Profit Share was introduced and it was to our mutual benefit to "put in" as far as effort went. That this is no longer the case is sad, however it still amazes me that if CoS are as bad as it is claimed that any of you are still in HK or wherever you may be based. I know that it is very difficult to be really enthusiastic in what you do if you are not happy doing it. This thread all began with a comment regarding working "G" days and has descended into an all out bitch session. One thing is certain, as Captain Dart puts it, "It is a crying bloody shame". CX is not what it once was but I'll bet there are many other airlines far worse than CX. That said, there must be somewhere for those truly unhappy to go and maybe feel better treated. Oh, and by the way Farman Biplane, I didn't sell my soul to CX but rather I could tell the difference between CoS at my previous employer compared to those at CX. It seems that some on this forum cannot.
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From: Hong Kong
Old Git,
You must be as dumb as a door nail if you're only argument to date is,
Management, dictators, and the likes love your kind, take it up the bum and never complain, pretend others are far worse off than you and accept it.
It's a good thing it was the generation before yours that fought brave wars. God help us if future generations had to rely on gutless obedient wimps like you.
You must be as dumb as a door nail if you're only argument to date is,
if you can't stand the heat you should get out of the kitchen
It's a good thing it was the generation before yours that fought brave wars. God help us if future generations had to rely on gutless obedient wimps like you.
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From: Wingham NSW Australia
Old but no Git
Flap 10, I may be old, but sure not dumb. At least not dumb enough to "take it up the bum" as you so eloquently put it so as to stay where the CoS are as bad as claimed. As for fighting wars, I did my bit in SE Asia and can back it up. Nothing gutless about being satisfied with the CoS I had which were exceedingly better at CX than in the military. I think getting out of the kitchen is a fair enough thing to do if the heat is too much or maybe it is you who is the gutless and insecure wimp too afraid to try for something more suitable to your needs.
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
Suck it up, Messiah, you still read the thread and took the trouble to post, didn't you?
Flap 10, even I found your post offensive, I apologise on your behalf to Old Fella.
O.K., let's get back on thread: DON'T WORK BLOODY G DAYS!
Flap 10, even I found your post offensive, I apologise on your behalf to Old Fella.
O.K., let's get back on thread: DON'T WORK BLOODY G DAYS!
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From: lalaland
White Noise
This thread is quite pathetic drifting from abuse from those that know no better, to starry - eyed nostalgia from those that possibly could have stopped much of what troubles us today had the C&Ters led from the front when the erosion of CoS started.
The question and the answer is simple. ANY G-day working gets the Company out of a bind. If the aircrew body is serious about putting pressure on those that control their lives the ONLY way (unless your balls are big and stress level impervious to life) is to ensure that you do not put yourself in a position of having to 'decline' a request from CC.
How? Simples! Do I really have to spell this out: no checking of Crew Direct, get yourself a dedicated 'work tel number' and delete all others from the system. Finally, get yourself a tel answering device that will allow you to vet incoming calls. It really is quite simple. The bottom line is that you either want action or you don't. Decide - and do not wait for anyone to have to tell you to do this. Establish a pattern NOW.
It will involve pain. If one doesn't want pain quit the whining and just enjoy life.
So stop the bickering and the disrespect. Those on this thread that are affected - decide what you want and act accordingly. Those of you who are not directly affected - take a hike and find another thread.
Back to the Coffee Shop
The question and the answer is simple. ANY G-day working gets the Company out of a bind. If the aircrew body is serious about putting pressure on those that control their lives the ONLY way (unless your balls are big and stress level impervious to life) is to ensure that you do not put yourself in a position of having to 'decline' a request from CC.
How? Simples! Do I really have to spell this out: no checking of Crew Direct, get yourself a dedicated 'work tel number' and delete all others from the system. Finally, get yourself a tel answering device that will allow you to vet incoming calls. It really is quite simple. The bottom line is that you either want action or you don't. Decide - and do not wait for anyone to have to tell you to do this. Establish a pattern NOW.
It will involve pain. If one doesn't want pain quit the whining and just enjoy life.
So stop the bickering and the disrespect. Those on this thread that are affected - decide what you want and act accordingly. Those of you who are not directly affected - take a hike and find another thread.
Back to the Coffee Shop
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From: HONG KONG
Sorvad
Wow what an angry fellow pilot.
I think a phone call to the Employee Assistance Program would be a recommended start for you.
Things are a little tense for you at the moment and you may need help.
It will help you when things get a little tough.
TKT
Wow what an angry fellow pilot.
I think a phone call to the Employee Assistance Program would be a recommended start for you.
Things are a little tense for you at the moment and you may need help.
It will help you when things get a little tough.
TKT
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From: N. America
So WTF is wrong with just "NO"? No excuses, no "he's not here", no "oh, sorry wrong number", etc. How about "I don't work G days, don't call me agian on a G day". Get some balls, men! It's f'cking shameful! What I wouldn't give to see CX pilots stand up for themselves, just once!!! 4Driver, this is not directed at you, so don't take offense.
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From: Sai Kungah
Regarding
The latest hot rumour is that our wonderful leaders have "invested" in a voice recognition software for our calls to and from crew control.
Don't know if it's true and don't care: it would be just like them to do that rather than start managing the company properly.
If CC calls and ask for "John/Bill/Nigel", simply say "he's not here" been doing it for years.....
Don't know if it's true and don't care: it would be just like them to do that rather than start managing the company properly.
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From: RIVER
All very well proving how brave you are by answering the phone preparing to say "NO" .... But remember that it could well be a future O Day they are after or bringing that Reserve or Reserve call out forward. If you are given 12 Hours notice you have just monumentally shot yourself in the foot.
It is also not unheard of for that emphatic "NO-SORRY" to a G Day request to find its way onto your P.File with a special note from the Crew Control Supervisor questioning your unwillingness to help.
Much easier just to let the phone ring out and pick it up the minute your reserve starts ... or if you really want to go to work on a G Day pick up a Proffer. If it is anything longer than a TPE you will be much better off than a G Day call out... and you will help out a colleague (strange concept hey!)
It is also not unheard of for that emphatic "NO-SORRY" to a G Day request to find its way onto your P.File with a special note from the Crew Control Supervisor questioning your unwillingness to help.
Much easier just to let the phone ring out and pick it up the minute your reserve starts ... or if you really want to go to work on a G Day pick up a Proffer. If it is anything longer than a TPE you will be much better off than a G Day call out... and you will help out a colleague (strange concept hey!)
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From: heads down trying to figure out Chinese RVSM
The latest hot rumour is that our wonderful leaders have "invested" in a voice recognition software for our calls to and from crew control.
The choice is simple. Don't answer the call or, if you do, a polite "No I cannot because I feel fatigued" will alleviate any further questions. It's recorded so they won't push any further.
Why would anyone work for that pathetic G day compensation is beyond me
