G day workers

[411A]

As can be noted from the various responses, CX guys can't agree on the time of day, never mind anything else...no wonder they are such a pushover, versus the company.
The company could, for example, trot out the 49er program once again, and nothing could be done about it...

[SOPS]

This man needs help..please someone stop him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

[The Wraith]

411A,
Why don't you just piss off and enjoy your sad little life elsewhere?
Nothing at CX has anything to do with you whatsoever, and so your constant interfering and commenting simply smacks of desperation, desperation to be noticed by someone, anyone, and also a desperation to bring ANY meaning to your life. You may feel you are being clever and insightful, but actually you are just making a public laughingstock of yourself.
By all means stay, but people really are just laughing at you and you are making a monumental fool of yourself.

[sorvad]

TOE KNEE TILER

You may want to be certain of your facts before you point fingers...I am in the AOA and have been for the best part of 9 or 10 years, but its militant T@$$£rs like you who have often made me want to leave ....the reason being that you intimidate people...not me you understand, but the very people the union would like to join their fold...namely new joiners...usually they have come from the UK or Australia, the U.S or new Zealand, Canada or Europe, where in their previous lives they have been represented by a PROFESSIONAL body who, whilst encouraging their membership in order to benefit the greater good, respect their choice as individuals. Then they come to Asia, join Cathay, and hope that with the AOA, they might get the same un-biassed Professional representation they have had in the past...but....very soon, sometimes even before they join, they are exposed to the litany of backbiting hypocrisy and negativity, personified by the likes of you TKT using the umbrella of the AOA....you remind me of some of the more odious characters in the recent history of unrest at Cathay....

Its people like you who on one hand demand unity, but on the other, in times of strife, would sooner see a colleague ...(from whomever or whenever they joined ) lose their job than take so much of the smallest hit yourself

Its people like you who will slag off someone for taking a DE command but wont have applied for it yourself

Its people like you who will bemoan guys for staying on beyond 55 when you will go as long as you can yourself

Its people like you who would harrass wives of SO's joining during less opportune times some 8 years or so ago accusing their husbands of being scabs

Its people like you who told us as freighter new joiners when we weren't on flight pay( but everyone else was) when asked where our money would be coming to fund the 49ers, to wind our necks in as we were all in the same boat ( we weren't..as freighter crew we were totally ignored)

Its people like you..in fact..IT IS YOU.who recommends if a pay rise is awarded, that it be for AOA members only!..can you believe it...is this the voice of the greater good?..would you ever get this sort of bile from a representative of a professional body like BALPA


In short , its people like you TKT who profess to being on the side of your fellow man but who are so far up your own arse that you cant see that your fellow man might have somewhat different opinions to your own

[411A]

Sorry, The Wraith, but the below listed comment about says it all about many of the FD malcontents at CX...

Its people like you..in fact..IT IS YOU.who recommends if a pay rise is awarded, that it be for AOA members only!..can you believe it...is this the voice of the greater good?..would you ever get this sort of bile from a representative of a professional body like BALPA
In short , its people like you TKT who profess to being on the side of your fellow man but who are so far up your own arse that you cant see that your fellow man might have somewhat different opinions to yours

One can only ROFL at some of the antics of the CX...'pilots'.

[Old Fella]

Disharmony in the ranks

I do not often agree with 411A, especially in matters critical of Cathay Pacific, however he is on the money this time in my opinion. I am disappointed and somewhat bemused by the whingeing and bitching by a number of posters on this forum. My first question to those with a problem with their conditions at CX is "How bloody good was it where you were previously employed"? Surely the whingers are adult enough to have asked the appropriate questions before accepting a position with CX. Why do you stay if your life is so stressful in CX employment? I suspect the whingers are a small proportion of CX crew who would be whingers no matter where or by whom they were employed. The old adage "If you can't stand the heat you should get out of the kitchen" seems appropriate to me. Those who are not whingers would probably be pleased to see the last of you.

[ChuckECheeze]

Greedy bastards

So who really is entitled to EFP? The fight is over additional pay given out by CC only - no free market between pilots (those who want more work/more pay and those who want garanteed 84 hrs). And what about the Company? Shouldn't they be able to spread the hours out - if they pay everyone on 84, and some turn out to work 74, why shouldn't they ask the 74's to pick up a sector or two - before paying those up and beyond 84 to fill the need? I understand the mechanics of filling in on a G-day if NOBODY else is available - yes, they need to hire more people. And if they need to do that, then those near the seniority line will get to upgrade earlier, maybe. But our Company's upgrade path is anything but fluid, and maybe there are some who would like some extra pay. So when it comes down to brass tacks, it's one guy on reserve, on or into overtime versus another guy on a Gday in the same situation, both wanting that extra pay. Who "deserves" it? CC decides who they ring up. There is nothing in the contract that entitles anyone to EFP over someone else. If I'm the Gday guy, why should I say no, so you get the EFP instead of me? If the Gday guy takes the CC offer because he's close to or over 84, just relax and enjoy your time off.

[FO4EVA]

Sorry to interrupt the squabbling....

I also recently received a G day callout promising the callout fee, however I AM in overtime this month. How then would that be perceived if I accepted the duty (I didn't)? For those saying we should "name and shame", how can you tell if that person working their G Day is already on overtime, thus negating the issue of stealing EFP from someone on reserve?

[nitpicker330]

I think Old Fella and 411A should hold hands, jump in their trusty old L1011 and fly quietly into the Arizona sunset.

It's 15 years since Old Fella worked in CX as an A scaler ( says he's 70 ) in what was quite a different "Aero Club" to what it is now.

As for 411A????????? You apparently have a gazillion hours on the L1011, congrats but that doesn't give you any special insight into the CX Flight Deck anymore than I know anything about yours.

So, keep you opinions to yourself gentlemen.

[broadband circuit]

I also recently received a G day callout promising the callout fee, however I AM in overtime this month. How then would that be perceived if I accepted the duty (I didn't)? For those saying we should "name and shame", how can you tell if that person working their G Day is already on overtime, thus negating the issue of stealing EFP from someone on reserve?

In any case, FO4EVA, the point of the thread (I think) is that you would've been a cheaper option than the reserve call.

Credit to you for not accepting the duty. You're probably smart enough to realise that they would've done their best to reduce your EFP later in the month anyway.

[411A]

So, keep you opinions to yourself gentlemen

Not likely to happen.
However...having said this, NOW is the time for the CX pilots to start to turn the screws for more big time dollars.
IE; The company is hugely profitable, and they have the resources to dole out the dough.

The question then remains...are the CX pilots (collectively) up to the task?

I suspect...NO.

We await for the outcome...

[fly123456]

What about we do what suits us best as individuals until the AOA calls for CC?

It would be an even more powerful action if everybody was working on their G's before CC, then all of a sudden, nobody does it anymore.

[Old Fella]

Holding hands with 411A

nitpicker330 The fact that I have not worked for CX for over 15 years, longer actually, has nothing to do with the principles I hold. CX gave me a job with conditions I accepted. As for being part of an Aero club, you are talking out your fundamental orifice. We worked hard, got paid a just salary and were treated well. As I said, if you can't stand the heat you should get out of the kitchen. You obviously thought you were on a good thing when you joined, so what has changed. Maybe 411A and I are old farts, but we know a lot more about company loyalty than you appear to. Maybe you are just a whingeing whimp so, up yours pal.

[The Messiah]

Originally Posted by Old Fella

You obviously thought you were on a good thing when you joined, so what has changed?

Plenty in my ten years. Just briefly........

New COS imposed, yearly hours raised to 900 from 700, no significant rise in incremental pay scales whatsoever, forced freighter flying, paxing on the freighter, significantly extended time to command, and 49 pilots sacked "for no particular reason". This is just a snippet of what has changed since I joined. Maybe you have been away from the coalface too long Old Fella.

At this point the bucket of gold is still bigger than the bucket of sh1t for me, but not by as much as it was when I joined.

[Old Fella]

Bucket of Gold v's Bucket of Sh-t.

Thank you Messiah for your points. Yes, I have been away from the CX family for a longtime, not long enough however to forget how I was treated and the enjoyment I derived from my employment with CX. You also have, in a sense, supported my arguement in so far as you have determined that the Bucket of Gold still outweighs the Bucket of Sh-t for you and thus you are still with CX. The people to whom I addressed my question of why they are still there obviously do not share your view, and have determined that they do not have the will to vote with their feet and go somewhere else. That is a cross they have to bear and I just wish they would not continually bitch and try and convince everyone else that CX are an employer of slave labour. This whole arguement has gotten away from the original question regarding working on G days which, as I said before, is a request by CC and one which can simply be declined if that is how they feel.

[The Messiah]

Fair enough

[CodyBlade]

How about a new thread titled:''The Good Ole' days''?

Not to compare beans,etc but for the nostalgic,misty eyed here.

I remember in 1987..

[The Wraith]

Old Fella,
A lot has changed since your day, and I daresay the airline was a far better place to be in your day too.
What goes on here now beggars belief, and most can only wish for the times you enjoyed. Then, no doubt, it was an airline and job to be proud of.
Nowadays, the management border on the criminal....just look at some of the recent court cases....and certainly whilst still a good job, it certainly isn't the way it was.
So, with all due respect, when you call today's CX pilots whingers etc you really are showing your ignorance to the conditions they now work under.

[Farman Biplane]

Thanks for the memories

Thank you Old Fella,
You have inspired me to familiarise myself with the blocking feature available on PPrune.
Now, i will not have to read your outdated/2nd hand/faded memory comments on issues that are trying to be aired as relevant to current/future employees.
You really did sell your soul to them if you are still whinging on this forum during your later Old Fella years!
Ciao dude!

[Captain Dart]

Old Fella, I'm in my third decade with the company myself,and I'm sure that you recall the advertisement depicting the 747 in the cruise with Barry White's 'Love's Theme' playing, the scones, jam and cream served to the First Class passengers on Australia flights (yep, First Class is long gone, there), all flight crew on A scales with some respect for management, decent profit sharing, a piss-up at the boss's house on the Peak every six months and in return we worked the occasional G day and even volunteered to help out during typhoons .

But this is PPrune and I still like the occasional whinge so here goes; I like to whinge about:

Continued attacks on flight crew conditions of service since the start of Red Oddington's tenure

'Sign or be fired' (which by management admission cost the shareholders half a billion, and indirectly led to the appalling and expensive 49ers situation, which is STILL going on in the courts) from David Downturn

Little Philip turning what was once 'Asia's Airline' (remember the ads emphasising 'our flight attendants are from ten (then eleven) different Asian lands'?) into 'Mong Kok Airlines'

And now the war on its crews continues from current management, who have also continued to let what was once a world-beating airline, what could have been Asia's airline, identifying with 2/3 of the population of the planet, slide into a nondescript 'niche' carrier offering dreadful seats, linguistically- and culturally-challenged contract cabin crew, catering a shadow of its former self, and cadet pilots who haven't done the hard yards anywhere with the prospect of having to land the whole shebang in a Typhoon 3.

And the young guys and gals with me in the cockpit, putting up with the B.S. we were once paid A-scale to put up with, Commands now determined by 'dead mens' shoes', and many of them trying to raise families on B, C, and Z scales have certainly got a lot more than I have to whinge about, so at least grant them that privilege.

All in all, a crying bloody shame.