SO Bypass Pay Case
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From: Above the Gay Bar
SO Bypass Pay Case
On the eve of our long awaited chance to have the SO bypass case heard, I'd like to thank the two plaintiff SOs for the significant time and effort they have both put in over the past 6-12 months.
Regardless of the outcome, I know I speak for all my colleagues when I say I really appreciate you both sacrificing your days off to finally have this case brought before the tribunal.
lmh
Regardless of the outcome, I know I speak for all my colleagues when I say I really appreciate you both sacrificing your days off to finally have this case brought before the tribunal.
lmh
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From: Hotels everywhere
Hope enough So's ( and any others crew interested ) pitch up tomo to support - and send a message.
Unfortunately I am afraid as usual we will find more crew in bed, bars or on golf courses than supporting these guys......it's the Cathay Way....
Unfortunately I am afraid as usual we will find more crew in bed, bars or on golf courses than supporting these guys......it's the Cathay Way....
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From: SE Asia
Not a lot, really. no surprise witnesses, no shouting, nobody yelled "...you can't handle the truth!", and the judge didn't have to bang on his gavel for "ORDER! ORDER!!" 
There's nothing that I would want to discuss outside of the courtroom and on a public forum at this time, but you certainly didn't miss anything overly exciting.
There's nothing that I would want to discuss outside of the courtroom and on a public forum at this time, but you certainly didn't miss anything overly exciting.
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From: mars
you can also use this link to look up the time and court room for wednesday, under 'labour tribunal' 
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From: HKG
Nobody won. Awaiting Judgement.
Case went as follows.
Company defense based on denial and confusion with the following a summary of their main points :
1. The fact that we did not complain in the past therefore we should'nt complain now. ( I am not joking - the company man actually said this)
2. That nobody in management is aware of any contract violations. ( Yes every single management witness answered about 90 % of their questions with: " I don't know/ am not aware" etc etc)
3. That after three days of arguments the company is unable to defend the case since they still don't understand what it is we are upset about/claim.
4. That things are more complicated than we think and therefore it cannot be explained to us or the Judge/court.
Up to the judge to now decide whether random company policies and interpretations that continually change take precedence over our contract.
Case went as follows.
Company defense based on denial and confusion with the following a summary of their main points :
1. The fact that we did not complain in the past therefore we should'nt complain now. ( I am not joking - the company man actually said this)
2. That nobody in management is aware of any contract violations. ( Yes every single management witness answered about 90 % of their questions with: " I don't know/ am not aware" etc etc)
3. That after three days of arguments the company is unable to defend the case since they still don't understand what it is we are upset about/claim.
4. That things are more complicated than we think and therefore it cannot be explained to us or the Judge/court.
Up to the judge to now decide whether random company policies and interpretations that continually change take precedence over our contract.
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From: United Kingdom
Now that 9 Airbus JFO courses have been cancelled for August, and that by October there will be only 3 SOs left on BBP, the judgement due on the 3rd July is pretty vital for the financial well-being of many SOs.
Well done Scott, Herman and John Findlay, regardless of the outcome.
'RM
Well done Scott, Herman and John Findlay, regardless of the outcome.
'RM
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From: United Kingdom
Last hearing the judge went through the submissions filed by Scott and CX.
On the 3rd July, Judge will give out a written verdict.
If Scott wins, they'll be another hearing to decide the colour of the money!
On the 3rd July, Judge will give out a written verdict.
If Scott wins, they'll be another hearing to decide the colour of the money!
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From: Seahaven
There sure will be back pay. This was the whole reason for the court case. To get money owing for the difference in S/O and F/O pay. Don't forget the additional stuff that goes with it; housing, holidays, and a whole lot of cash that should have been paid from 18 month onwards.