SO Bypass Pay Case
Well done boys! 
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
Well done boys! In addition, it will be an even sadder Tony if the 49ers win their Hong Kong court case in October! 'Devastated Tony', 'Morose Tony'... the possibilities are endless!
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From: H.K.
The earliest if have ever seen the Friday Telex on Intra CX. Not a word about the court case to the rest of the staff.
Can this mean the end of N.R. knighthood in the Swire Empire as his mission was to get rid of B.B.P.?
The monster they created came back to haunt them.
Well done to the S/O’s involved and my fellow AOA members for the support given.
Can this mean the end of N.R. knighthood in the Swire Empire as his mission was to get rid of B.B.P.?
The monster they created came back to haunt them.
Well done to the S/O’s involved and my fellow AOA members for the support given.
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From: Hong Kong
I believe the PO did say that Freighter extenders will be included, so we got that one aswell!! The only contention that did not sit well with the PO is that SO's should be automatically looked at for up-grade after 18 months, no biggie to lose that one anyway!!!
Come on Sad Tony, how will you spin this one!!!!
Come on Sad Tony, how will you spin this one!!!!
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From: VHHH
Well done.
A big thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Tony will mention that he couldn't put down any comments about the case in the weekly update because of time frame commitments for intraCX. Only one word for that. Sounds like Full and smells funny.
A big thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Tony will mention that he couldn't put down any comments about the case in the weekly update because of time frame commitments for intraCX. Only one word for that. Sounds like Full and smells funny.
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From: Apartment
Congrats to all involved especially the S/O's who had the backbone to see this through. I find it absolutely pathetic that it falls on our most junior crew to take on the company. To all those extendees, Oasis DEC's and guys doing "early" (read - out of seniority) freighter commands, who still want to be your best buddy and have a beer at the other end I say no way. You can bend over and cut deals with the company, but do it on your own buddy.
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From: Hong Kong
How to spin bad news as good news
Here's a little snippet from the DFO's update today:
That sounds like good news to the SOs. How is it suddenly "good news" the NR? Isn't that one of the specific things the claimants went to court for?
The good news from an individual SO perspective is that the ruling states that the Company should conduct Upgrade Review Boards and assess SO suitability for upgrade prior to hiring Direct Entry FOs, which will likely result in a greater number of SOs being eligible to receive Bypass Pay.
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From: Earth
Let's keep our head cool and get ready for the next lawsuit!
DEC were clearly a breach of contract; another court case for the AOA to pursue.
Fact is, the only way to deal with the company is through the courts. This case is the proof we need to keep going in this direction.
Congrats to all and the AOA.
DEC were clearly a breach of contract; another court case for the AOA to pursue.
Fact is, the only way to deal with the company is through the courts. This case is the proof we need to keep going in this direction.
Congrats to all and the AOA.
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From: Asia
Masta of Disasta
I think your point should be directed at the company not our fellow pilots and in many cases fellow AOA members. The company created this mess, not the people you are venting your anger at. We are trying to repair the damage done by the company’s very successful divide and conquer tactics of the past so please for all our sakes stop playing into their hands now.
PS: It hasn’t gone unnoticed that this is your first post as a new member. I wonder why?
I think your point should be directed at the company not our fellow pilots and in many cases fellow AOA members. The company created this mess, not the people you are venting your anger at. We are trying to repair the damage done by the company’s very successful divide and conquer tactics of the past so please for all our sakes stop playing into their hands now.
PS: It hasn’t gone unnoticed that this is your first post as a new member. I wonder why?
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From: Apartment
During the past two years certain individuals made a concise decision to shaft their fellow colleagues, and to hide behind somebody else (the company) and to try to blame them is the oldest trick in the book. The damage they have wholeheartedley taken part in cannot be easily undone. They have taken full advantage of a bad situation and now try to feign ignorance.Most of these individuals are not members of the Union and prefer to belong to the "every man for himself" brigade. So be it but don't expect me to give you the rest of the cake.If you decide to make pleasent chit chat or meet up for a beer after then the joke really is on you.
Thats 2 posts
Thats 2 posts
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From: NZ
Interesting reading
Those who can....
Log into HKAOA and download the ruling pdf. scan to page 13....
Look at columns 9 and 10.
There you will find the total number of people triggering BPP and the total number of SO/s who were receiving BPP. I think you will agree the two numbers are very disparate.
For the FO case you can add the columns named "Pax Capt over 55" and "Frtr Capt over 55" - and this is the number of triggers for FO's at those dates on the sheet. If you are within this band during any of those dates then you should have been receiving BPP for extended captains.
IFP
Log into HKAOA and download the ruling pdf. scan to page 13....
Look at columns 9 and 10.
There you will find the total number of people triggering BPP and the total number of SO/s who were receiving BPP. I think you will agree the two numbers are very disparate.
For the FO case you can add the columns named "Pax Capt over 55" and "Frtr Capt over 55" - and this is the number of triggers for FO's at those dates on the sheet. If you are within this band during any of those dates then you should have been receiving BPP for extended captains.
IFP
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From: Hong Kong
Ex C. Your are, unfortunately, quite right. The company only seems to listen to sense when it is delt out by the courts. Whether it is with pilots or cabin crew, it is still the same. A large number of SO's and FO's will be happy for this ruling.
Cathay just need to get over it and get on with it and stop shirking their contractual obligations. Way more than my 4 months SLS money has gone into this court case alone. My taking SLS is supposed to help the company as a whole - not to fund them defending their mismanagement.
I did have a wry smile on my face when the DFO mentioned the single SO. Does this mean that every SO or FO will have to make a case individually? I wonder. If the company forces this issue, then mega (bad) publicity will be the only way to solve this one I suspect. I would encourage each and every eligible SO and FO to jump on the band wagon. To do otherwise will only cost you money and the numbers will give impetus to the case as a whole.
Cathay just need to get over it and get on with it and stop shirking their contractual obligations. Way more than my 4 months SLS money has gone into this court case alone. My taking SLS is supposed to help the company as a whole - not to fund them defending their mismanagement.
I did have a wry smile on my face when the DFO mentioned the single SO. Does this mean that every SO or FO will have to make a case individually? I wonder. If the company forces this issue, then mega (bad) publicity will be the only way to solve this one I suspect. I would encourage each and every eligible SO and FO to jump on the band wagon. To do otherwise will only cost you money and the numbers will give impetus to the case as a whole.
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From: Earth
It's funny how the last company update states that it was a complex issue since the ruling is 24 pages long.
How many ruling has he seen that are shorter than that! I actually thought "24 pages" meant the opposite. 24 pages is quite short I would say! The ruling is straight forward and easy to read. They were told they were wrong and acted against our contract, they knew about it but yet they are still trying to hide somewhere. An apology, rather than childish excuses, would be more appropriate at this point.
It's a great satisfaction to win and have justice done. But it exposes what kind of management we are working for. Sad.
How many ruling has he seen that are shorter than that! I actually thought "24 pages" meant the opposite. 24 pages is quite short I would say! The ruling is straight forward and easy to read. They were told they were wrong and acted against our contract, they knew about it but yet they are still trying to hide somewhere. An apology, rather than childish excuses, would be more appropriate at this point.
It's a great satisfaction to win and have justice done. But it exposes what kind of management we are working for. Sad.
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From: Hotels everywhere
Someone mentioned that DEC's are in breach of our contract and that should make a nice court case too - well I like that idea. The more the better.
Secondly - not to stir the pot here - but can the sudden joining of LEP's have something to do with the SO and coming FO bypass cases - are they jumping on the train now before it leaves the station only because they see a possible gain for themselves..... ???
Lastly - Interesting thing in the update yesterday - LEP 's now get education assistance - wonder why the company would suddenly decide to give something? Feeling pressure?
Secondly - not to stir the pot here - but can the sudden joining of LEP's have something to do with the SO and coming FO bypass cases - are they jumping on the train now before it leaves the station only because they see a possible gain for themselves..... ???
Lastly - Interesting thing in the update yesterday - LEP 's now get education assistance - wonder why the company would suddenly decide to give something? Feeling pressure?