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"From now until 3 August, all eligible ground staff will receive an email explaining what the Organisation Alignment Survey (OAS) 2009 is about and instructions on how to access it.
This survey is part of CX's commitment to take your inputs into account when planning and executing strategic decisions so please take this opportunity to tell us your views and suggestions."
Is that not restructuring coming your way ground staff?!?!?
"From now until 3 August, all eligible ground staff will receive an email explaining what the Organisation Alignment Survey (OAS) 2009 is about and instructions on how to access it.
This survey is part of CX's commitment to take your inputs into account when planning and executing strategic decisions so please take this opportunity to tell us your views and suggestions."
Is that not restructuring coming your way ground staff?!?!?
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Let's put a stop to a vicous rumour right away:
BPP is a BIG issue in CX. After the latest SOs' victory in the courts, a LOT more BPP will have to be paid, let alone all the hundreds of FO's in line for more of the same..
So, cathay management has 2 choices here to avoid SO BPP:
- upgrade all SO's to JFO's (unlikely due to lack of trainers,slots etc.) OR
- furlough/lay-off excess pilots (in strict reverse seniority)
I say "unfortunate" as I certainly DON'T wish this on anybody.But then again that's the chance you take when you join a company at the bottom of a seniority list. 98% of staff has done what they could to avoid redundancies, but cannot be expected to keep on doing this.
End august/early september is correct,they will start with the bottom 150 for the 1st round.
Lets hope that things around the world improves enough BEFORE then!!!
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Ad Posse, all you are trying to do is scare monger. There is NO, I repeat NO plan to lay off any pilots. The only departments that are at risk are the ground staff (as was the case in 99). Keep dreaming that your 'hit list' of undesirables is vulnerable, but it isn't the case. Any pilot that is concerned can go and speak to the fleet offices. The whole point of SLS was to ensure that there would be NO layoffs. I suggest Ad Posse you stick to starting rumours about your STD.
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Air Profit, my dear chap:
It always amazes me that there are happy-go-lucky people in the world,such as yourself.
All moonlight and roses right?Recession - what's that?
Airlines laying staff off? Never heard of it....
Here's a quick glimpse as to what happens in an economic downturn.
In order to preserve cash, a company has 2 choices:
However, by the middle of this year we will be one year into the recession. There are still NO indications of things getting better, so companies are now starting to look at longer-term solutions, such as the 1st point above.
There will be NO 2nd round of SLS, as fewer than 5% off all staff will be willing to take part. So I'm afraid that leaves us with one option only, as unfortunate as it might be...
No manager (as stupid as some of them are!) will confirm redundancies before it is actually announced in september. My information, btw, comes from much higher up than your fleet office..
It always amazes me that there are happy-go-lucky people in the world,such as yourself.
All moonlight and roses right?Recession - what's that?
Airlines laying staff off? Never heard of it....
Here's a quick glimpse as to what happens in an economic downturn.
In order to preserve cash, a company has 2 choices:
- lay-off staff (as per your contract) - longer term solution;
- other means ie SLS,voluntary leave etc. - short term solution.
However, by the middle of this year we will be one year into the recession. There are still NO indications of things getting better, so companies are now starting to look at longer-term solutions, such as the 1st point above.
There will be NO 2nd round of SLS, as fewer than 5% off all staff will be willing to take part. So I'm afraid that leaves us with one option only, as unfortunate as it might be...
No manager (as stupid as some of them are!) will confirm redundancies before it is actually announced in september. My information, btw, comes from much higher up than your fleet office..
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Tell you what Ad....let's see what happens by the end of the year. I am very confident that not a single pilot will be layed off. And my info comes from just about the highest level (that's the wonderful thing about playing company sponsored cricket...!).
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I don't think anyone know what will happen beyond a few months including both of your "contacts".
Things change very rapidly in aviation both for better or for worse....so don't hang your hats on any claim made by anyone you play cricket with or have a pint with cause it will change next week.
Things change very rapidly in aviation both for better or for worse....so don't hang your hats on any claim made by anyone you play cricket with or have a pint with cause it will change next week.
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Rumor and banter like this is a good reason to not use this board, and instead post insight under your own name on a more secure board.
I'm not sure how the last few posts relate to BPP. Too many negative (possible mgt.) people on this board trying to get you to expect less, when we should be looking forward as a team that is going to be successful.
I am a hypocrite for posting, because I despise half of what is said here as it is noise, and not real information (unless you actually believe it). CPA tactical management (FOP) knew they had to pay BPP, but tried to get away with it. The worst that could happen is that they had to go to the labor tribunal. In the mean time they are getting to keep money owed to S/O's, and FO's. I am deeply greatful for SW keeping the company honest, and protecting our contracts. I hope the people in charge of the FOP department can now follow our own vision to be a socially responsible company; after all, that is one of the core mission's of the organization. "If you don't know where you are going, you will never get there"; but the CPA vision statement sets what we are trying to do clearly. A good read for any managers on this board, as each vision statement is mutually inclusive.
I'm not sure how the last few posts relate to BPP. Too many negative (possible mgt.) people on this board trying to get you to expect less, when we should be looking forward as a team that is going to be successful.
I am a hypocrite for posting, because I despise half of what is said here as it is noise, and not real information (unless you actually believe it). CPA tactical management (FOP) knew they had to pay BPP, but tried to get away with it. The worst that could happen is that they had to go to the labor tribunal. In the mean time they are getting to keep money owed to S/O's, and FO's. I am deeply greatful for SW keeping the company honest, and protecting our contracts. I hope the people in charge of the FOP department can now follow our own vision to be a socially responsible company; after all, that is one of the core mission's of the organization. "If you don't know where you are going, you will never get there"; but the CPA vision statement sets what we are trying to do clearly. A good read for any managers on this board, as each vision statement is mutually inclusive.
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Someone please explain how they're going to lay off pilots when we're not parking any airplanes and we still have how many airplanes coming? Does anyone spreading those rumors know how huge of a training footprint that would cause? Let's just say you'd finish retraining everyone just in time to recall everyone.
It makes absolutely no sense. Management has even pointed out that both cargo and pax yields have stabilized, albeit at a low level, so why lay off now?
And explain again how you're trying to relate this to S/O BPP? There's only maybe 200 S/Os on COS99 (and therefore eligible for BPP due to this Labor Tribunal decision) and an extra 10 grand or so for them is just a drop in the bucket for CX.
It makes absolutely no sense. Management has even pointed out that both cargo and pax yields have stabilized, albeit at a low level, so why lay off now?
And explain again how you're trying to relate this to S/O BPP? There's only maybe 200 S/Os on COS99 (and therefore eligible for BPP due to this Labor Tribunal decision) and an extra 10 grand or so for them is just a drop in the bucket for CX.
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Back to the topic
CX ordered to compensate suspended promotion pilot Source: HKET (A18, Jul 4)
The Labour Tribunal ordered the Cathay Pacific Airlines to compensate a pilot a total of HK$270,000 for the suspension from promotion. Scott Williams, a second officer (civil aviation) from CX said he was suspended from promotion, 18 months after joining the company, which against the conditions stated in his employment contract. Williams filed a Labour Tribunal claim. The Tribunal said last Friday (July 3) that the airline recruited over hundred of first officer (civil aviation) in year 2007 and 2008 in order to reduce training costs and also extended the pilots’ retirement age, resulted a lack of promotional opportunities for the second officers. The Tribunal ordered the Cathay Pacific Airways to pay HK$270,000 to Williams for compensation. The airline is now seeking legal advice in considering whether to appeal the case.
Yeeeeaaahh Baby. Now that's what I'm talkin about!
And nothing less than he deserves, apart from his promotion of course. I would assume that Scotty has everyone's vote for re-election to the committee.
The Labour Tribunal ordered the Cathay Pacific Airlines to compensate a pilot a total of HK$270,000 for the suspension from promotion. Scott Williams, a second officer (civil aviation) from CX said he was suspended from promotion, 18 months after joining the company, which against the conditions stated in his employment contract. Williams filed a Labour Tribunal claim. The Tribunal said last Friday (July 3) that the airline recruited over hundred of first officer (civil aviation) in year 2007 and 2008 in order to reduce training costs and also extended the pilots’ retirement age, resulted a lack of promotional opportunities for the second officers. The Tribunal ordered the Cathay Pacific Airways to pay HK$270,000 to Williams for compensation. The airline is now seeking legal advice in considering whether to appeal the case.
Yeeeeaaahh Baby. Now that's what I'm talkin about!
And nothing less than he deserves, apart from his promotion of course. I would assume that Scotty has everyone's vote for re-election to the committee.
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Slightly more than the 10 Grand you mentioned NoandThen.
Lets see 200 or so x $270,000 or there abouts = serves you right CX WaDS.
Now we wait to see the "positive" for the company that the only the DFO can see.
I think now we will see a bit more lawyer action from CX so don't all you S/O's go out buying toys just yet.
Lets see 200 or so x $270,000 or there abouts = serves you right CX WaDS.
Now we wait to see the "positive" for the company that the only the DFO can see.
I think now we will see a bit more lawyer action from CX so don't all you S/O's go out buying toys just yet.
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NowandThen,
Unfortunately the retirement of four A340s this summer has already been announced by the DFO in his newsletter..or was it the Airbus one? Three pax 747-400s will leave this winter. I believe two-three 777-300ERs will be delivered this year though, and a new BCF arrived today. Might be a couple of A330s arriving too this summer. Guess that sort of evens out a little although we are still losing seven long haul planes and gaining only three to four.
Unfortunately the retirement of four A340s this summer has already been announced by the DFO in his newsletter..or was it the Airbus one? Three pax 747-400s will leave this winter. I believe two-three 777-300ERs will be delivered this year though, and a new BCF arrived today. Might be a couple of A330s arriving too this summer. Guess that sort of evens out a little although we are still losing seven long haul planes and gaining only three to four.
