Confused about loads?
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From: crewbag
As if I fu(king know....
I was merely pointing out that high loads don't necessarily mean high profit. I get paid to fly the airplanes... others get paid to sell the seats and put some of that money into my bank account.
I was merely pointing out that high loads don't necessarily mean high profit. I get paid to fly the airplanes... others get paid to sell the seats and put some of that money into my bank account.
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From: Hong Kong
quadspeed,
nor does it necessarily mean that it is all doom and gloom which what coded_messages was trying to point out.....maybe they shouldn't even pay you to fly airplanes.
high loads don't necessarily mean high profit
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From: Oztrailia
Off the last 8 sectors around Asia in the last 2 weeks only ONE sector hasn't been full. ( even that sector had 250 PAX )
405 POB to SIN last week.
The next day 398 incl 1 jump back to HK
I'm sure that premium pax are down a bit but what the heck???
405 POB to SIN last week.
The next day 398 incl 1 jump back to HK
I'm sure that premium pax are down a bit but what the heck???
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
My last few flights out of AUS still full, latest at Max Structural, full of pax and sea food. Southbound nearly full.
Last regional flight, one on jump seat down, solid load back.
Fuel hedging costs and cargo fine are management's problems, not mine.
Last regional flight, one on jump seat down, solid load back.
Fuel hedging costs and cargo fine are management's problems, not mine.
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From: Khazakhstan
Just checked out loads for many outports, and Hong Kong outbound. What I found MOST interesting, are the loads to Australia.
Sydney and Melbourne, just to name these two only are showing RED for what seems an eternity, and this raises a question : How the F&*% are we, STAFF of THIS company supposed to travel around the network to our homes, wherever that may be, if under 'normal' circumstances we're downgraded to Economy to allow Check-in staff to look after 'their own' and where Economy is showing as TOTALLY RED for the whole period around Chinese New Year and after !
Does this mean, because the locals have their New Year coming up, that the rest of us will suffer ??? Does this mean, that for someone with 1-3 weeks holidays around that time, wishing to visit his family for a SUPER-BELATED Christmas or a chance at some kind of New Year ('cos he/she HAD to work both of them!!!), that they stand a chance of NOT being able to get home ??? Some f*%^ing Travel system we have in place !!!!
Oh let me see, but of course, just as 'Travel Desk' suggests, let's use the Jump Seat section if we're having trouble finding a seat on a flight... like that will work, considering how many of us there are, competing for sometimes ONE seat because the Airbus (for Oz routes, as an example) is either overbooked (classic line they use at Hong Kong check-in) or weight-limited...
Then again, there's the FOC, the one that's NOT free anyway, but moreso seems to get people BUMPED OFF a flight, rather than confirming anything as concrete in the first place.
It's either the a**holes upstairs DON'T know what they're doing, or there's LOTS of bull!!!!! being fed to staff ("Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen" MIGHT work in a relationship, f*&^-knuckles)...
It's times of the year like this where we're being screwed over, again and again ! We work for you over Xmas and/or New Year - at least send a priority travel note to check-in staff to get us on the flights we need to see our families, for f*&%'s sake !!!
Rant over.. Merry Xmas ? Bah humbug !
Sydney and Melbourne, just to name these two only are showing RED for what seems an eternity, and this raises a question : How the F&*% are we, STAFF of THIS company supposed to travel around the network to our homes, wherever that may be, if under 'normal' circumstances we're downgraded to Economy to allow Check-in staff to look after 'their own' and where Economy is showing as TOTALLY RED for the whole period around Chinese New Year and after !
Does this mean, because the locals have their New Year coming up, that the rest of us will suffer ??? Does this mean, that for someone with 1-3 weeks holidays around that time, wishing to visit his family for a SUPER-BELATED Christmas or a chance at some kind of New Year ('cos he/she HAD to work both of them!!!), that they stand a chance of NOT being able to get home ??? Some f*%^ing Travel system we have in place !!!!
Oh let me see, but of course, just as 'Travel Desk' suggests, let's use the Jump Seat section if we're having trouble finding a seat on a flight... like that will work, considering how many of us there are, competing for sometimes ONE seat because the Airbus (for Oz routes, as an example) is either overbooked (classic line they use at Hong Kong check-in) or weight-limited...
Then again, there's the FOC, the one that's NOT free anyway, but moreso seems to get people BUMPED OFF a flight, rather than confirming anything as concrete in the first place.
It's either the a**holes upstairs DON'T know what they're doing, or there's LOTS of bull!!!!! being fed to staff ("Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen" MIGHT work in a relationship, f*&^-knuckles)...
It's times of the year like this where we're being screwed over, again and again ! We work for you over Xmas and/or New Year - at least send a priority travel note to check-in staff to get us on the flights we need to see our families, for f*&%'s sake !!!
Rant over.. Merry Xmas ? Bah humbug !
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From: All over
Azamat,
No offence, but Xmas, CNY, School Holidays in Oz..... These are always very difficult if next to impossible for Staff Travel out of HKG. Perhaps secure a full fare ticket if you need to travel in these times, next time.
b.
No offence, but Xmas, CNY, School Holidays in Oz..... These are always very difficult if next to impossible for Staff Travel out of HKG. Perhaps secure a full fare ticket if you need to travel in these times, next time.
b.
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From: 'round here
this may be why pilots don't make a very good job of running an airline. Every other finanical report in HKG is saying the worst is yet to come and the belt tightening and layoffs haven't filtered through.
Loads are also appearing ok because we are talking about forward bookings, people don't usually book and then fly the next day. These are bookings from mid-late 2008.
Soooooooooooooooooooooo, if you have a look at March April May 2009 you will see that it isn't so flash. Go ask Revenue.
Or if you are convinced that a full plane out of SYD equates to a current economic boom in aviation pick up Flight International, start at the back, and peruse the token Islander job in the Falklands as there doesn't appear to be much else.
Loads are also appearing ok because we are talking about forward bookings, people don't usually book and then fly the next day. These are bookings from mid-late 2008.
Soooooooooooooooooooooo, if you have a look at March April May 2009 you will see that it isn't so flash. Go ask Revenue.
Or if you are convinced that a full plane out of SYD equates to a current economic boom in aviation pick up Flight International, start at the back, and peruse the token Islander job in the Falklands as there doesn't appear to be much else.