Hong Kong Airlines B737-800 tries to take off from Taxiway in HKG
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Some serious consideration should be given to the real root of all the problems at HKA. The bloody Fourteeners. Bring em all back as Flight Op's management.
Things only started going pear shape after those loveable creatures took their retirement package a little early.
God Bless and Long live the 14ers.
Things only started going pear shape after those loveable creatures took their retirement package a little early.
God Bless and Long live the 14ers.
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Shotover says:
"military pilots...
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I get your tongue in cheek, but please don't categorize those guys as military pilots.
Just coz someone flew in the military, doesn't mean they are a military pilot. Even in the military 10% get through. Let's not disgrace those who really are or were military pilots."
For what its worth ,no more no less, I remember, maybe ten years ago, a 3 o'clock morning taxi ride from Changi to the crew house. Our driver chatting away with little encouragement from us since we were tired, remarked that his son had joined the Air Force to learn to be a pilot, but he had failed the course and been kicked out.
Sadly he said that the only thing his son had learned in there was that he had learned to drink and now, without any other skill, was good for nothing.
I thought I would share this with you all, even though it might not necessarily apply in this case.
"military pilots...
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I get your tongue in cheek, but please don't categorize those guys as military pilots.
Just coz someone flew in the military, doesn't mean they are a military pilot. Even in the military 10% get through. Let's not disgrace those who really are or were military pilots."
For what its worth ,no more no less, I remember, maybe ten years ago, a 3 o'clock morning taxi ride from Changi to the crew house. Our driver chatting away with little encouragement from us since we were tired, remarked that his son had joined the Air Force to learn to be a pilot, but he had failed the course and been kicked out.
Sadly he said that the only thing his son had learned in there was that he had learned to drink and now, without any other skill, was good for nothing.
I thought I would share this with you all, even though it might not necessarily apply in this case.
Last edited by Guava Tree; 10th Oct 2008 at 09:37. Reason: add:and now, without any other skill, was good for nothing.
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Hmm... I don't work for HKA, but I do operate out of HKG.
It seems to me there are to separate issues here.
1) There are problems with the HKA management.
2) Fatigue, taxiway-layout and exceptional runway procedures compared to daytime.
2 alone could have caused the incident. 1 probably contributed to the problem. 2 just just caused 1 to be brought out because of a long time pressure that has built up with what seems to be a long standing and acute issue.
Naming nationalities has nothing to do with the whole thing. I've seen incompetent and dangerous "western" airline managers also. This is clearly a case where blindness for profits has taken over sustainable and safe practices.
The real question is, what is the price for taking risks? It seems like airlines around the world are involved in a sort of experiment how cheap you can make the operation before it starts costing human lives. The sad thing about it all is that useless managers have a tendency to "show up" time after time, even after they have brought one company to the brink of disaster. All for profits, not realizing that the real profit is to be made from a sustainable operation.
It seems to me there are to separate issues here.
1) There are problems with the HKA management.
2) Fatigue, taxiway-layout and exceptional runway procedures compared to daytime.
2 alone could have caused the incident. 1 probably contributed to the problem. 2 just just caused 1 to be brought out because of a long time pressure that has built up with what seems to be a long standing and acute issue.
Naming nationalities has nothing to do with the whole thing. I've seen incompetent and dangerous "western" airline managers also. This is clearly a case where blindness for profits has taken over sustainable and safe practices.
The real question is, what is the price for taking risks? It seems like airlines around the world are involved in a sort of experiment how cheap you can make the operation before it starts costing human lives. The sad thing about it all is that useless managers have a tendency to "show up" time after time, even after they have brought one company to the brink of disaster. All for profits, not realizing that the real profit is to be made from a sustainable operation.
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Two Hong Kong pilots sacked for takeoff try: report
The two were dismissed after an investigation by the southern Chinese city's Civil Aviation Department, which recommended improvements to lighting and marking at the airport, one of Asia's busiest.
AFP: Two Hong Kong pilots sacked for takeoff try: report
(oops, just realized there was already another thread)
The two were dismissed after an investigation by the southern Chinese city's Civil Aviation Department, which recommended improvements to lighting and marking at the airport, one of Asia's busiest.
AFP: Two Hong Kong pilots sacked for takeoff try: report
(oops, just realized there was already another thread)
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