Hong Kong Airlines B737-800 tries to take off from Taxiway in HKG
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Hong Kong Airlines B737-800 tries to take off from Taxiway in HKG
This needs a new thread so everyone can see it.
Public safety is literally at risk at this point
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It would seem this past weekend, an HKA plane doing a early morning departure from HKIA to Korea mistook the taxi way as the runway, and attempted take off
They got about 500 meters down the taxiway prior to stopping with ATC yelling at them they were indeed NOT on the runway.
(thank go for ground radar in HKG).
Since then, a memo has been circulated internally stressing the importance of "ensuring you are on a runway,prior to takeoff".
The Captain, is from down south, around the same area as those Singaporeans who did the same thing in TPE, with more fatal results.
FO, South America.
CLOWNS. The whole lot.
Public safety is literally at risk at this point
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It would seem this past weekend, an HKA plane doing a early morning departure from HKIA to Korea mistook the taxi way as the runway, and attempted take off
They got about 500 meters down the taxiway prior to stopping with ATC yelling at them they were indeed NOT on the runway.
(thank go for ground radar in HKG).
Since then, a memo has been circulated internally stressing the importance of "ensuring you are on a runway,prior to takeoff".
The Captain, is from down south, around the same area as those Singaporeans who did the same thing in TPE, with more fatal results.
FO, South America.
CLOWNS. The whole lot.
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About 5 years ago, another operator also tried to take off from taxiway, it was stopped fortunately.Normally, the CAD will write to the operator concerned stating what had happened and normally, the operator concerned will reply stating that they will look into the matter, etc, etc, etc.
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How about some professional dignity?
Think about how you would feel if you were in any of these guy's shoes before you go ratting on someone!
There is no excuse for what happened, but do you all really need to "out" the individuals involved?
I'll leave you with this thought:
"How would you feel if it was you, and you were being attacked like this?"
Think about how you would feel if you were in any of these guy's shoes before you go ratting on someone!
There is no excuse for what happened, but do you all really need to "out" the individuals involved?
I'll leave you with this thought:
"How would you feel if it was you, and you were being attacked like this?"
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If I did something like that I'd have to seriously consider if I was the right man for the job.
Some incidents are "but for the grace of God go I" but others like this one absolutely have no excuse.
IMHO!!
Some incidents are "but for the grace of God go I" but others like this one absolutely have no excuse.
IMHO!!
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No one "ratted" any one out.. I have names (most people do).. I could post the roster.
I won't.
But this isn't ratting anyone out.. this is truely a very serious incident.
and without changes in HKA's managment the next "incident" is coming around the corner shortly.
** and had I done it, I would not be employed today. Any airline worth anything at all would not sweep this up, but address it.**
I won't.
But this isn't ratting anyone out.. this is truely a very serious incident.
and without changes in HKA's managment the next "incident" is coming around the corner shortly.
** and had I done it, I would not be employed today. Any airline worth anything at all would not sweep this up, but address it.**
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I'll leave you with this thought:
"How would you feel if it was you, and you were being attacked like this?
"How would you feel if it was you, and you were being attacked like this?
How would you feel if your family was on this flight and you found out this had happened before but covered up??????
These type of incidents need to be bought to the public's/industries attention IMHO.
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"How would you feel if it was you, and you were being attacked like this?"
Next thing the accusations will be that this is a "Western racist plot".
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Hi.. I joined a while ago, but this is my first post.
Hoofharted, I agree about the "western racist plot"
I guess Boeing made a plane too complicated for our 3rd world friends to fly.
Its all the fault of the west.
Another point that only just occured to me. I know ATC in HKG try to minimise time on the runway by clearing you to take off while still on taxiways so that checklists can be run and you can "keep it rolling".
In looking at the incident, it would seem that perhaps this practice also contributed. How could they take off on a taxiway if aircraft aren't cleared for take off untill they are on the runway? True the idiots in the front end of that 737 should have known better, but perhaps local ATC practice should be looked at too.
Hoofharted, I agree about the "western racist plot"
I guess Boeing made a plane too complicated for our 3rd world friends to fly.
Its all the fault of the west.
Another point that only just occured to me. I know ATC in HKG try to minimise time on the runway by clearing you to take off while still on taxiways so that checklists can be run and you can "keep it rolling".
In looking at the incident, it would seem that perhaps this practice also contributed. How could they take off on a taxiway if aircraft aren't cleared for take off untill they are on the runway? True the idiots in the front end of that 737 should have known better, but perhaps local ATC practice should be looked at too.
Let me see.............
Taxyway lights...........GREEN CENTERLINE, BLUE EDGE. Basically narrow and dark.
Runway lights................LWMO lights fitted, damn bright, wide and looks very impressive with nice TDZ lights in white and red colours. Very pretty
Unless it's VERY LOW vis how could you make a mistake in HKG with all the LWMO lights blazing on the runway?
incredible, they must have been asleep at 0400?
Bad rostering maybe? No rest?
I guess I wont be flying to Okinawa in the future then.
Taxyway lights...........GREEN CENTERLINE, BLUE EDGE. Basically narrow and dark.
Runway lights................LWMO lights fitted, damn bright, wide and looks very impressive with nice TDZ lights in white and red colours. Very pretty
Unless it's VERY LOW vis how could you make a mistake in HKG with all the LWMO lights blazing on the runway?
incredible, they must have been asleep at 0400?
Bad rostering maybe? No rest?
I guess I wont be flying to Okinawa in the future then.
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The issue now is what are the CAD going to do about it?
lutely nothing, the same as they have done about all the other incidents that happen daily at the circus.Now that the bedwetter has been allowed to grace the LHS, you can bet the corruption will not get any better.
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They were just following the example of CI at Anchorage
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UK phraseology says that we have to stipulate the holding point when issuing a line up clearance.
i.e Bankcrupt Air,via Juliet 10,line and wait 25L.
It might have helped to prevent this.Also you can see quite clearly even on the 07's that they are lined up on the runway.If the ground radar was on this would easily be cross checked.
I'm shocked that this got 500m down a taxiway.That could be about 80kts.
The holes in the cheese lined up here.What about fatigue in the Tower controllers.After all CAD is telling them to do compulsory,unpaid overtime.
i.e Bankcrupt Air,via Juliet 10,line and wait 25L.
It might have helped to prevent this.Also you can see quite clearly even on the 07's that they are lined up on the runway.If the ground radar was on this would easily be cross checked.
I'm shocked that this got 500m down a taxiway.That could be about 80kts.
The holes in the cheese lined up here.What about fatigue in the Tower controllers.After all CAD is telling them to do compulsory,unpaid overtime.
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I believe a Philippines A340 taking off 07L (07R closed) in the early morning had a similar fate. Taxing on Taxiway B for 07L and given the Take Off Clearance. Did the turn at the end and applied Take Off thrust. He was on taxiway A then ATC told him to abort.
Any similarities?
Any similarities?
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HK Tower controller here, this will be the third such incident at CLK. Was it on 07L? After the second incident, an instruction came out that we were to issue a "Line up" only clearance on the North runway, if taxyway "B" was being used until we (ATC) observed that the departure (either visually or by ground radar) was actually entering the runway, and then "Clear for Take off". I don't know if this occurred on 07R (fairly unusual as the South runway is closed overnight a lot more than the North). If I recall, both previous incidents occurred with two separate airlines from a country that seems to spawn most of our typhoons! The incident that you refer to Mr. Bloggs was an A330 and there was a sweeper vehicle on TWY A about midpoint, that had just vacated the runway.
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