Replacing 400s by 2013
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Replacing 400s beginning 2013
Cathay Pacific Airways plans to phase out 23 747-400s beginning in 2013 in an effort to realize fuel savings of 22% per seat. COO John Slosar told Hong Kong media that the carrier is considering a variety of replacement aircraft and that "the A380 is also an option." In the interim, it will raise its fuel surcharge 37% from June 1 in an effort to negate 40%-50% of the increase in fuel prices. CEO Tony Tyler said fuel now accounts for 40% of CX's total operating costs, up 10 points from last year. "At current prices, it costs us $360,000 in fuel alone to fly a 747-400 to London and back," he said.
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Now let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here....
It's not the airframes, it's about engines and fuel.
The 747-400 airframe still has 20 years of life in it. Why throw it away when the alternatives don't offer a huge leap in efficiency.
My guess is that fuel prices will moderate once alternative energy picks up a lot of the demand for electricity. Perhaps we should be looking at new power plants and synthetic avgas.
It's not the airframes, it's about engines and fuel.
The 747-400 airframe still has 20 years of life in it. Why throw it away when the alternatives don't offer a huge leap in efficiency.
My guess is that fuel prices will moderate once alternative energy picks up a lot of the demand for electricity. Perhaps we should be looking at new power plants and synthetic avgas.
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oh, oops, sorry for the mis-quoted
by the way, here is another quote
I will see more major airlines in the industries are going to retire their 747 fleet. The point is, I really doubt that A380 would be suitable for Cathay since they are saying "A380 is an option.'' In my point of view, twins engines aircraft are more likely to play in a role at this case, more 77w would be logical.
by the way, here is another quote
Air France confirms the already announced retirement of its B744 fleet.
AF is currently operating a fleet of 23 B744 : 13 B744 PAX and 10 B744 Freighters.
- F-GIUF, a B744ERF will be returned to KLM next September (replaced by the first B777F of which AF is the launch company).
- F-GEXB (a PAX a/c) will be retired next March 2009
- F-GITC (a PAX a/c) will be retired next April 2009
- F-GISA (recently converted into a Freighter) will be retired in Nov 2009
- F-GISF (Freighter) will be returned to lessor in Dec 2009.
ALL the B744 (PAX) will be replaced before summer 2012 one for one by the additional B77W ordered last year.
A few B744F should remain in service a bit longer beside the 8 B777F.
Sad to see the legendary "big bird" leaving the Air France fleet ... end of a great adventure begun with F-BFVA, the very first AF B747-100, on ORY-JFK in June 1970 ...
AF is currently operating a fleet of 23 B744 : 13 B744 PAX and 10 B744 Freighters.
- F-GIUF, a B744ERF will be returned to KLM next September (replaced by the first B777F of which AF is the launch company).
- F-GEXB (a PAX a/c) will be retired next March 2009
- F-GITC (a PAX a/c) will be retired next April 2009
- F-GISA (recently converted into a Freighter) will be retired in Nov 2009
- F-GISF (Freighter) will be returned to lessor in Dec 2009.
ALL the B744 (PAX) will be replaced before summer 2012 one for one by the additional B77W ordered last year.
A few B744F should remain in service a bit longer beside the 8 B777F.
Sad to see the legendary "big bird" leaving the Air France fleet ... end of a great adventure begun with F-BFVA, the very first AF B747-100, on ORY-JFK in June 1970 ...
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The title of this thread is mis leading. All the articles that I have read state that they are "phasing" the 23 -400s out and only considering replacing the capacity. I personally expect that CX will accelerate the retirement of the classics due to fuel.
Any talk of decreasing the airline is of concern especially as we add Direct Entry Captains to our apparently laughed at seniority list.
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Any talk of decreasing the airline is of concern especially as we add Direct Entry Captains to our apparently laughed at seniority list.
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you obviously have a passion for semantics:
- the thread says replacing = in the process of/not necessarily completed
The thread title is attention grabbing enough to lure you in. The fact that you had to come in here and read more than 3 lines of text to clarify your obvious curiosity for the subject, was possibly too much effort for you.
Suggest you don't read any newspapers or your head will explode.
Always considering your mental health,
N1 Vibes
you obviously have a passion for semantics:
- the thread says replacing = in the process of/not necessarily completed
The thread title is attention grabbing enough to lure you in. The fact that you had to come in here and read more than 3 lines of text to clarify your obvious curiosity for the subject, was possibly too much effort for you.
Suggest you don't read any newspapers or your head will explode.
Always considering your mental health,
N1 Vibes
you still here N1? I thought I asked you to leave the building a while ago?
This is the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network.
You are not a Pilot, so take your tool bag and go to your own rumour network site. Don't have your own site? well it's not our fault you guys can't get organised is it.
Your dribble is not wanted here.
This is the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network.
You are not a Pilot, so take your tool bag and go to your own rumour network site. Don't have your own site? well it's not our fault you guys can't get organised is it.
Your dribble is not wanted here.
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Don't have your own site? well it's not our fault you guys can't get organised is it.
and your dribble is not welcome there
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Flight states that SQ plan to get rid of theirs by 2010/11. If the fuel price stays as it is then we may well have to think of Plan B. At the moment Plan A is to pray that the fuel price comes down.
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Still,
The ex ASL captains have joined at the bottom of the seniority list. If you joined before them, then you will be eligible for a passenger command before they are. I originally joined Cathay on a freighter base and it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant some new joiners are to this whole ASL thing.
If you were here back in the mid nineties, then yes, ASL definitely delayed your command by a number of years and you have every right to feel aggrieved . But the company introduced ASL and the pilot group were unable to prevent it. Every time someone flames a fellow pilot, then he plays into the companies hand and helps further the "divide and conquer" policy.
As a group, we often go into self destruct mode and turn on ourselves. We are all guilty of allowing B scale, ASL, 49er's, C scale, COS 08 to happen. The list goes on.
I flew with many ASL chaps over the years and found them to be quite normal ! Now fire away...........
The ex ASL captains have joined at the bottom of the seniority list. If you joined before them, then you will be eligible for a passenger command before they are. I originally joined Cathay on a freighter base and it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant some new joiners are to this whole ASL thing.
If you were here back in the mid nineties, then yes, ASL definitely delayed your command by a number of years and you have every right to feel aggrieved . But the company introduced ASL and the pilot group were unable to prevent it. Every time someone flames a fellow pilot, then he plays into the companies hand and helps further the "divide and conquer" policy.
As a group, we often go into self destruct mode and turn on ourselves. We are all guilty of allowing B scale, ASL, 49er's, C scale, COS 08 to happen. The list goes on.
I flew with many ASL chaps over the years and found them to be quite normal ! Now fire away...........
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...or they could do a mod on the -400 and turn it into a twin. A pair of GE90-115s, has the same total thrust...may have to lower the T/O weight to allow for engine inop, but would be lighter operating weight with only 2 donks anyway...
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080604/united_fuel.html?.v=2
United is going to start grounding 737's and 747's in an attempt to save $$. However, UA doesn't have a business model that knows how to make money anyway, so who really cares . . .
United is going to start grounding 737's and 747's in an attempt to save $$. However, UA doesn't have a business model that knows how to make money anyway, so who really cares . . .
