CX 777 Flyby CP sacked
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That is not very sporting then from the old chaps on the upper levels. I guess that means, this was not one of their finer moments in avaition/airline business///////////////////////////////////////////
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The guy in the right hand seat foor the flyby was a very senior base training captain on the 777 who is very well respected. Apparently on the CVR he was heard repeating.."up,up,up"....
Latest rumour is that both are getting dismissed.....
Latest rumour is that both are getting dismissed.....
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I'm not a 777 pilot... but...... they accessed the CVR....????
Did they send it to the NTSB or Farnborough for analysis (surprised the tape was long enough) or does the 777 download everything said on the FD as an MP3 via acars????
Did they send it to the NTSB or Farnborough for analysis (surprised the tape was long enough) or does the 777 download everything said on the FD as an MP3 via acars????
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From: Bob Tandy's place boozing with Darryl Hill
I dont want to speculate as to what or how but something is happening. Both the CP and his R/H seat have had roster changes. CP is on sick leave and the R/H seat "O"'s.........
Where there is smoke there is always a fire!
What will NR say in his weekly propaganda message if anything?
Where there is smoke there is always a fire!
What will NR say in his weekly propaganda message if anything?
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Hmmm...How ironic!
A Swire businessman as described is exactly who CX employs as their Director of Flight Operations!
A Swire business man could be talked into believing anything was safe, as he has no relevant experience, training or judgment to refer to.
A Swire businessman as described is exactly who CX employs as their Director of Flight Operations!
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What now
The DFO now has a very important decision to make as to how to handle those involved. To put aside the hyperbol (it was great or hang em high) for a minute it is worth reviewing how these types of things have been handled in the past.
It was only a year or so ago that a new frieghter capt was doing an approach into JFK. One that by all acounts was well briefed and prepared for, when a last min change to a runway with a poorly indicated offset loc very nearly caused an accident. Understandbly the company had to review this incident and in the end removed this person from command, while noting that there was in fact a problem with the way the chart was presented, and that ATC played a role with the numerous runway changes. We all know it was an honest mistake, serious but honest, and that given the correct circumstances any one of us could have been there. None the less, this capt suffered the consequesnces of his actions as in the flight deck the buck stops with him.
Compare that incident with the flyby which was a very low pass, with pax onboard putting the airframe, its occupants and the companies reputation at stake for no usefull purpose. Add to that that those allegedly invovled are expected to uphold the companies operating procedures and standards and sadly there can be only one result that is consistant with companies goal of "saftey first". As unpleasant as it may be, those involved have to answer for their actions.
It was only a year or so ago that a new frieghter capt was doing an approach into JFK. One that by all acounts was well briefed and prepared for, when a last min change to a runway with a poorly indicated offset loc very nearly caused an accident. Understandbly the company had to review this incident and in the end removed this person from command, while noting that there was in fact a problem with the way the chart was presented, and that ATC played a role with the numerous runway changes. We all know it was an honest mistake, serious but honest, and that given the correct circumstances any one of us could have been there. None the less, this capt suffered the consequesnces of his actions as in the flight deck the buck stops with him.
Compare that incident with the flyby which was a very low pass, with pax onboard putting the airframe, its occupants and the companies reputation at stake for no usefull purpose. Add to that that those allegedly invovled are expected to uphold the companies operating procedures and standards and sadly there can be only one result that is consistant with companies goal of "saftey first". As unpleasant as it may be, those involved have to answer for their actions.
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A turning point?
Gents,
I agree wholeheartedly with CXflyers comment. That poor chap lost his command by missing something, the offset localizer, that could have happened to anyone.
Yet, this incident is a blatent serious error in judgement that could have had serious consequences. And it was obviously planned. Let's be honest, if any line pilot had done something remotely similar they would be fired with great fanfare and without hesitation. They fired some 49'ers for a lot less.
How CX management handles this kerfuffle will haunt them well into the future. No doubt, some disenfranchised pilot will refer to the outcome of this incident, if they find themselves dismissed for something lesser. The fact that management tried to cover the incident is going to cause them considerable grief anyways.
Love it!!
I agree wholeheartedly with CXflyers comment. That poor chap lost his command by missing something, the offset localizer, that could have happened to anyone.
Yet, this incident is a blatent serious error in judgement that could have had serious consequences. And it was obviously planned. Let's be honest, if any line pilot had done something remotely similar they would be fired with great fanfare and without hesitation. They fired some 49'ers for a lot less.
How CX management handles this kerfuffle will haunt them well into the future. No doubt, some disenfranchised pilot will refer to the outcome of this incident, if they find themselves dismissed for something lesser. The fact that management tried to cover the incident is going to cause them considerable grief anyways.
Love it!!
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I just hope this guy gets treated with the same disrespect, indignation and arrogance as he showed whilst conducting a friends D & G a couple of years back.
Remember he was also on the star chamber so dont feel any pity for him
Remember he was also on the star chamber so dont feel any pity for him
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From: In my suitcase
Me say it was a very brave demonstration. Me think he may have give himself some type of retraining. 10 sectors or something similiar.
He was too high for a flyby. You could barely see the aircraft or hear the people cheer. 10 ft lower would have been much better.
I am very suprised CX where able to pull the videos from youtube. I wonder how much that cost.
Cheers, Smithy
He was too high for a flyby. You could barely see the aircraft or hear the people cheer. 10 ft lower would have been much better.
I am very suprised CX where able to pull the videos from youtube. I wonder how much that cost.
Cheers, Smithy