The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
What's up with the new ground duties...? I guess those still there will get pretty good at doing amendments and photocopying, although there seems to be a heap of crew rostered for the same thing
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More sackings aye?
Shows you how stupid these singa dipsh!ts really are. Not only are they pathetic at flying, they are even more pathetic at running business.
When will Hainan finally realise that all these guys promises of cheap labour from SEA to save money, will be offset by firing longterm, experienced pilots that require big payouts?
Well done d!ckheads!!!! You've really run everything into the ground, and we are all laughing at the biggest f$ck up in avaition history.......namely Madam Wu, Dickiebird Lai, Dick Stew, Puppy dog TY, Baboonetti, and all the rest of you clowns from Singawhore and SEA.
Shows you how stupid these singa dipsh!ts really are. Not only are they pathetic at flying, they are even more pathetic at running business.
When will Hainan finally realise that all these guys promises of cheap labour from SEA to save money, will be offset by firing longterm, experienced pilots that require big payouts?
Well done d!ckheads!!!! You've really run everything into the ground, and we are all laughing at the biggest f$ck up in avaition history.......namely Madam Wu, Dickiebird Lai, Dick Stew, Puppy dog TY, Baboonetti, and all the rest of you clowns from Singawhore and SEA.
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Did everyone sign the new insulting contracts that they sent out to all the pilots? And what happened to those who were brave enough to stand up for their rights by not selling their souls to the Singawhores?
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It wouldn't be the government, it would one of the snakes henchmen, probably TY, making sure the truth doesn't get out. TY would do anything for anyone who is important to him.......and the snakes know this so they probably used him.
Can't have the public knowing how dirty the singwhores really are?
Can't have the public knowing how dirty the singwhores really are?
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HKA Article
The article allegedly was quite damning of the HKCAD, giving examples of the collusion and inappropriate behaviour that have allowed HKA to end up in the state that they have.
Many details of all their air safety incidents as well, let's hope that the public get to see this article. I believe that the HK press have been inundated with the facts about HKA and HKE, now we can only hope that the press have the b**ls to do something with it.
Regarding those HKA employees who have chosen not to accept the generous pay cuts on offer, they have been sacked. A round of sackings took place last week. I would presume that we will see more legal action taken against HKA.
Many details of all their air safety incidents as well, let's hope that the public get to see this article. I believe that the HK press have been inundated with the facts about HKA and HKE, now we can only hope that the press have the b**ls to do something with it.
Regarding those HKA employees who have chosen not to accept the generous pay cuts on offer, they have been sacked. A round of sackings took place last week. I would presume that we will see more legal action taken against HKA.
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And its only just the beginning of summer!!!!!
Looking forward to a summer of f@ck ups courtesy of Singa clowns at HKA.
Not from TY( aka pilotinasia/asianpilot) of course, he's too perfect, and probably under Madam WU's desk.
Looking forward to a summer of f@ck ups courtesy of Singa clowns at HKA.
Not from TY( aka pilotinasia/asianpilot) of course, he's too perfect, and probably under Madam WU's desk.
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Article In Todays Scmp (sunday)
Finally some light shed to the public about those idiots ruining HKA business.
NOTE AGAIN, MAINLY PILOTS FROM AUSTRALASIA AND SOUTH AMERICA were fired........for not bowing down to these criminals
So what happened to all the South East Asians??????None of them fired aye???
Why?
Because the Singa's are racist, uneducated,unethical and determined to bring the aviaition industry to their LOW LEVEL.
And typical to see no comment from the managers at HKA. Can't they justify themselves? Of course not.
Good luck in court you losers, you'll be kicking yourselves thinking you had it right by firing professional pilots and hiring cheap badly trained pilots(TY), and then having to pay out big time coz you JUST GOT IT WRONG!!!!
NOTE AGAIN, MAINLY PILOTS FROM AUSTRALASIA AND SOUTH AMERICA were fired........for not bowing down to these criminals
So what happened to all the South East Asians??????None of them fired aye???
Why?
Because the Singa's are racist, uneducated,unethical and determined to bring the aviaition industry to their LOW LEVEL.
And typical to see no comment from the managers at HKA. Can't they justify themselves? Of course not.
Good luck in court you losers, you'll be kicking yourselves thinking you had it right by firing professional pilots and hiring cheap badly trained pilots(TY), and then having to pay out big time coz you JUST GOT IT WRONG!!!!
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Is it just me or did the Singaswine go quiet when it became obvious the truth is coming to a newspaper near you now!!!
See them in Stars bar i hope soon.
PS XCX Happy, your ERAS is funny reading. We are also happy
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See them in Stars bar i hope soon.
PS XCX Happy, your ERAS is funny reading. We are also happy
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HKA: Employer of Choice??
From the SCMP
Hong Kong News Headlines | Hong Kong's premier newspaper online | SCMP.com
HK Airlines sacks nine pilots objecting to salary cuts
Simon Parry
Apr 12, 2009
Hong Kong Airlines has fired nine pilots who refused to sign new contracts that cut the basic salaries of cockpit crew to as little as HK$17,500 a month.
The pilots - four first officers and five captains - were terminated after being given a deadline of March 31 to agree to the contracts, which the pilots say halve basic pay in some cases and diminish other entitlements.
A spokesman for Hong Kong Airlines, which had 52 pilots before the sackings, confirmed the dismissals but denied those were connected to new contracts. He declined to say why the pilots, who were mostly expatriates from Australasia and South America, had been sacked.
The move comes amid severe cost-cutting at the start-up airline, which operates Boeing 737 aircraft on regional flights in competition with airlines including Dragonair. Earlier this year, it asked all cockpit crew to take a week's unpaid leave.
A copy of the new contract seen by the Sunday Morning Post (SEHK: 0583, announcements, news) cuts basic salaries to HK$17,500 a month for first officers with less than 1,500 hours of jet flying time, HK$20,000 a month for more than 1,500 hours of flying and HK$22,500 for more than 3,000 hours of flying. Captains with less than 3,000 hours of flying time will get HK$30,000 a month, while those with more than 3,000 hours will receive HK$40,000. In addition to their basic pay, each pilot receives a monthly market-based adjustment lump sum of HK$10,000 and the prospect of a further productivity-based payment ranging from HK$225 to HK$1,000.
According to one of the sacked pilots, basic pay for captains was previously HK$75,000 or HK$65,000, depending on flying time, and HK$45,000 or HK$40,000 for first officers, although previous fixed market-based adjustment levels were lower.
"We declined to sign the new contract and wrote to management saying we wished to stay on our present contracts," the pilot said. "There was no response. Everybody who did not sign the new contract was simply terminated."
As well as slashing basic salaries, the pilot said, the new contract allowed the company to change annual leave entitlements as it deemed fit and make promotions discretionary rather than based on service. Letters were sent out to the nine pilots on April 2 telling them they were being terminated and wishing them "all the best for the future" without giving any reason, according to another of the dismissed pilots.
Eight of them have approached the Labour Department and are negotiating payoffs according to their notice periods. The ninth pilot is understood to have settled his case with management separately.
In the confusion that followed the sackings, the pilots at first believed they were expected to continue flying as they served out their notice periods, something the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association warned would be "a serious safety concern".
When they objected, they then believed they had to do ground duty and - in a bizarre incident last Tuesday - reported for office duty at the airport, only to find no one there able to assign them work. They say they have since been told they will not have to work out their notice periods.
"It has been a very traumatic time for some months," one pilot said. "Pilots have been asked to take no-pay leave and have been seconded to mainland airlines ... Most of us are just relieved it's over and the only surprise is that so many of our colleagues have agreed to stay on at such reduced terms." The carrier declined to give further details of the dismissals or to be interviewed by the Post.
Typical of the Singawhores that they don't have the courage to be interviewed by the SCMP.
Hong Kong News Headlines | Hong Kong's premier newspaper online | SCMP.com
HK Airlines sacks nine pilots objecting to salary cuts
Simon Parry
Apr 12, 2009
Hong Kong Airlines has fired nine pilots who refused to sign new contracts that cut the basic salaries of cockpit crew to as little as HK$17,500 a month.
The pilots - four first officers and five captains - were terminated after being given a deadline of March 31 to agree to the contracts, which the pilots say halve basic pay in some cases and diminish other entitlements.
A spokesman for Hong Kong Airlines, which had 52 pilots before the sackings, confirmed the dismissals but denied those were connected to new contracts. He declined to say why the pilots, who were mostly expatriates from Australasia and South America, had been sacked.
The move comes amid severe cost-cutting at the start-up airline, which operates Boeing 737 aircraft on regional flights in competition with airlines including Dragonair. Earlier this year, it asked all cockpit crew to take a week's unpaid leave.
A copy of the new contract seen by the Sunday Morning Post (SEHK: 0583, announcements, news) cuts basic salaries to HK$17,500 a month for first officers with less than 1,500 hours of jet flying time, HK$20,000 a month for more than 1,500 hours of flying and HK$22,500 for more than 3,000 hours of flying. Captains with less than 3,000 hours of flying time will get HK$30,000 a month, while those with more than 3,000 hours will receive HK$40,000. In addition to their basic pay, each pilot receives a monthly market-based adjustment lump sum of HK$10,000 and the prospect of a further productivity-based payment ranging from HK$225 to HK$1,000.
According to one of the sacked pilots, basic pay for captains was previously HK$75,000 or HK$65,000, depending on flying time, and HK$45,000 or HK$40,000 for first officers, although previous fixed market-based adjustment levels were lower.
"We declined to sign the new contract and wrote to management saying we wished to stay on our present contracts," the pilot said. "There was no response. Everybody who did not sign the new contract was simply terminated."
As well as slashing basic salaries, the pilot said, the new contract allowed the company to change annual leave entitlements as it deemed fit and make promotions discretionary rather than based on service. Letters were sent out to the nine pilots on April 2 telling them they were being terminated and wishing them "all the best for the future" without giving any reason, according to another of the dismissed pilots.
Eight of them have approached the Labour Department and are negotiating payoffs according to their notice periods. The ninth pilot is understood to have settled his case with management separately.
In the confusion that followed the sackings, the pilots at first believed they were expected to continue flying as they served out their notice periods, something the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association warned would be "a serious safety concern".
When they objected, they then believed they had to do ground duty and - in a bizarre incident last Tuesday - reported for office duty at the airport, only to find no one there able to assign them work. They say they have since been told they will not have to work out their notice periods.
"It has been a very traumatic time for some months," one pilot said. "Pilots have been asked to take no-pay leave and have been seconded to mainland airlines ... Most of us are just relieved it's over and the only surprise is that so many of our colleagues have agreed to stay on at such reduced terms." The carrier declined to give further details of the dismissals or to be interviewed by the Post.
Typical of the Singawhores that they don't have the courage to be interviewed by the SCMP.
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I am not with HKA, but i find this intriguing. Is all this coming only from the Singapore guys in Flt Ops, or does it come from much higher up viz-a-viz the HR department or even Hainan?
You have my sympathies...
You have my sympathies...
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Most airlines are cutting costs through unpaid leave, pay reduction and layoffs. This is just the beginning of the curve.
The majority of those offered the new contracts signed up. The new terms and pay as I read it in the article would be uncompetitive in normal times. But these are not normal times. The fat rats on Wall Street has screwed us and the rest of the world.
My advice friends is to stay employed and work through this period. The economy has not bottomed out and it is going to get tougher before it gets better.
Best wishes and hope that the 9 will find employment quickly.
The majority of those offered the new contracts signed up. The new terms and pay as I read it in the article would be uncompetitive in normal times. But these are not normal times. The fat rats on Wall Street has screwed us and the rest of the world.
My advice friends is to stay employed and work through this period. The economy has not bottomed out and it is going to get tougher before it gets better.
Best wishes and hope that the 9 will find employment quickly.
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Just had dinner and baijiu with some local airline execs here in Beijing. HNA exec was going on and on about the excellent work that the HKA management is doing in HK; about making tough decisions and leading by example in terms of pay cuts. And how leading airlines are doing the same now...
I kept very quiet through out knowing how strongly how some of you guys felt but that is how it is. Top management's priority is different and will be most of the time. It coincides only when it is convenient for the management to do so. Middle management (i.e. HKA management) is only a tool and the rest of the staff too.
Regardless of the sentiments of the poster above, the current management at HKA is staying put as far as HNA is concerned.
I kept very quiet through out knowing how strongly how some of you guys felt but that is how it is. Top management's priority is different and will be most of the time. It coincides only when it is convenient for the management to do so. Middle management (i.e. HKA management) is only a tool and the rest of the staff too.
Regardless of the sentiments of the poster above, the current management at HKA is staying put as far as HNA is concerned.
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"The managements good work at HKA"???WTF were the Hainan execs smoking???
Dick Stew will be replacing Gilson soon.How scary is that???Someone who cant fly properly will be incharge of all the pilots.
And as for "asian pilot" your silly posts are trademark TY/PilotinAsia posts!
Dick Stew will be replacing Gilson soon.How scary is that???Someone who cant fly properly will be incharge of all the pilots.
And as for "asian pilot" your silly posts are trademark TY/PilotinAsia posts!
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That is the worst propaganda BULLSH!T I have ever heard!!! What a laugh!
Pretty much narrows down who you are you fool!
HNA are NOT happy with snakes and they are being REMOVED as we speak!
HNA will be embarrassed when the findings come out from CAD.
Try again you d!ckwad.
That is the worst propaganda BULLSH!T I have ever heard!!! What a laugh!
Pretty much narrows down who you are you fool!
HNA are NOT happy with snakes and they are being REMOVED as we speak!
HNA will be embarrassed when the findings come out from CAD.
Try again you d!ckwad.