Working on G days
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From: Hong Kong
Was told the same at a recent Fleet Forum.
Conversation over dinner the other night had some guys saying that Crew Control are ringing on nearly every G day. They are so desperate they are now offering your choice of multiple flights. What ever you want... just please help us out.
Lets keep the pressure up... DON'T WORK ON G DAYS
Conversation over dinner the other night had some guys saying that Crew Control are ringing on nearly every G day. They are so desperate they are now offering your choice of multiple flights. What ever you want... just please help us out.
Lets keep the pressure up... DON'T WORK ON G DAYS
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From: Brexitland
Working on G days
Just don't answer the phone!!! If you accidentally pick it up - just say you don't know where HE/SHE ie YOU is. 'Back on ..... (your next rostered duty)' - and say goodbye.
There is no voice recognition, you may be thousands of miles away on a bad line. Just don't get involved in a chat.
Easy really............
There is no voice recognition, you may be thousands of miles away on a bad line. Just don't get involved in a chat.
Easy really............
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From: Honkers
No Bucks. No Buck Rogers!
My mobile rings on almost every G day. I have never answered and will never answer my phone. Apart from the fact that I need the rest I get on my G's, I would rather spend the time with my family. Personally, it's not about the money anymore. Why would I help someone I don't trust? It ain't rocket science.
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From: mars
Its happening on all fleets. I've got friends that have been getting multiple phone calls on G days, for multiple flights, everytime they have a G day..... Most guys I know are getting rostered a heap of overtime aswell. I love my Gs too much to give away.... Are we cancelling flights yet, due lack of crew, parking aircraft? How many?
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From: Oztrailia
Like I said in another thread.
CX Pilot's are working around 60 G days a month to "help" crew control get the flights away.
This info from a senior manager only a few days ago.
that's at least 2, maybe more flights per day.
BRING ON CC
CX Pilot's are working around 60 G days a month to "help" crew control get the flights away.
This info from a senior manager only a few days ago.
that's at least 2, maybe more flights per day.
BRING ON CC
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From: MARS
If the rumour I've heard is true, they really are desperate
Yes..they are desperate,seriously desperate,but setting a president like that will not happen!!!
Will be interesting to see what the next DFO report says.Always some babble about fuel,tech defect etc etc..but never any mention about a crew shortage..always in denial that there is a HUGE problem facing this company..and it's about to get worse...
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From: Canada
Working on G days?!?!
So the company needs you to work on your G day. What about when you need an unexpected G? Or what about the sick policy of the company? Or what about the leave system?
When you put all of these issues together, it is surprising that guys will be willing to give up a day off. This should be a give and take, not a one way take. There are companies out there that actually do care about their staff and are willing to help them out; the staff are happy to return the favor.
It's not even like a person is being unprofessional or a bad guy by not being available or declining a duty during a G. Really, they gave you the G in the first place!
Given our situation here, is it really necessary to be "on-call" during a G day? Talk about free reserve....
When you put all of these issues together, it is surprising that guys will be willing to give up a day off. This should be a give and take, not a one way take. There are companies out there that actually do care about their staff and are willing to help them out; the staff are happy to return the favor.
It's not even like a person is being unprofessional or a bad guy by not being available or declining a duty during a G. Really, they gave you the G in the first place!
Given our situation here, is it really necessary to be "on-call" during a G day? Talk about free reserve....
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From: I go, therefore I am there!
We all have different incentives! Some postive and some negative! The company certainly likes to work on the negative!
Many seem to suffer from a "I want it NOW!" syndrome and so are happy to take the short term benefit of a G day payout. That same group seems unable to see the long term benefits of standing up for the contract and greater long term gains!
That would be my "2 cents worth", but with inflation it is about a buck's worth!
Many seem to suffer from a "I want it NOW!" syndrome and so are happy to take the short term benefit of a G day payout. That same group seems unable to see the long term benefits of standing up for the contract and greater long term gains!
That would be my "2 cents worth", but with inflation it is about a buck's worth!
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From: Hong Kong
This is typical. When it comes to YOU asking to do something, the answer from crew control or scheduling is a big 'cannot'. However when it comes to them asking about something that may be in contravention of AFTL's, the pressure is on us. If nothing goes wrong, then that is that. However if something (even unrelated) goes wrong and the company digs a bit deeper and finds that the duty was perhaps not legal, then don't expect the company to come to your rescue for helping them out. They will wash their hands of you very quickly.
It is still YOUR licence that is on the line.
It is still YOUR licence that is on the line.
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From: hong kong
Just say cannot
Me too. I just said sorry can't help, I'm on a G Day and CC said thanks and hung up.
Those who can't say cannot should not answer the phone but why be scared?
Guaranteed Day Off after all. There's nothing they can do.
Those who can't say cannot should not answer the phone but why be scared?
Guaranteed Day Off after all. There's nothing they can do.
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From: Brexitland
Exactly! There's nothing that the Company can do. The AOC requires that CX has sufficient Reserves (
) so if they don't it's NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
If you do inadvertantly pick up the phone just politely refuse and say - 'sorry, got to go' and hang up. Easy.
Please don't work on a G day. It won't take long for trips to be cancelled. Then the Commercial Dept will ask what the hell is going on and somebody in FOPS will have to explain.
It's not Contract Compliance - it's just you going away somewhere for your time off which you're quite entitled to do.
Please give it a go.
) so if they don't it's NOT YOUR PROBLEM.If you do inadvertantly pick up the phone just politely refuse and say - 'sorry, got to go' and hang up. Easy.
Please don't work on a G day. It won't take long for trips to be cancelled. Then the Commercial Dept will ask what the hell is going on and somebody in FOPS will have to explain.
It's not Contract Compliance - it's just you going away somewhere for your time off which you're quite entitled to do.
Please give it a go.
Cool as a moosp
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From: Mostly Hong Kong
Silber, I was witness to a similar thing in the last few days. Returning from a flight my F/O was asked to call 8929 and the duty the following day from an O day was a W pattern. It included 9 days continuous working without a G or 34 hour period off anywhere, his home base of HKG or the two ports on the W.
He politely declined, hung up, and when called back a few minutes later was re-assigned the first part of the W, which was legal but was an example of what a past Chairman of Cathay Pacific termed to me, "malicious rostering".
There are two strategies here, the army of one where you cost the company as much as you can and make a good buck yourself, or the collective way where by keeping to a sensible roster and lifestyle the pilot body may be able to effect change.
Do not be too enthusiastic about the latter, as there are always work-arounds that can be made. MPL instead of S/Os, 155 hour cpls into the right hand seat of a jet, (I know it can be done, I was one 30 years ago, but
was I saved by the guy in the left hand seat a hundred times. I now know it was not a smart system.)
Another example is the CEO of an Australian regional airline that seems incapable of paying the Award or better was in Eastern Europe and Kiev recently to find pilots who would fly for a visa. True blue or mongrel black wings? You decide.
Until the CX pilot force gets a good majority of its workforce organised, the company will continue to negotiate deals on the day. Nice to get the 50,000 overtime, but it is a short term reward. Imagine how the negotiating team feel when the company say "You represent half the workforce, you are therefore powerless, so off."
That is why you see little dynamism from the AOA. They need the mandate. The best thing the AOA can do is to organise a massive recruiting drive, not along the lines of what they have done, but what they could do with, say, 90% membership.
What d'ya think??
He politely declined, hung up, and when called back a few minutes later was re-assigned the first part of the W, which was legal but was an example of what a past Chairman of Cathay Pacific termed to me, "malicious rostering".
There are two strategies here, the army of one where you cost the company as much as you can and make a good buck yourself, or the collective way where by keeping to a sensible roster and lifestyle the pilot body may be able to effect change.
Do not be too enthusiastic about the latter, as there are always work-arounds that can be made. MPL instead of S/Os, 155 hour cpls into the right hand seat of a jet, (I know it can be done, I was one 30 years ago, but
was I saved by the guy in the left hand seat a hundred times. I now know it was not a smart system.) Another example is the CEO of an Australian regional airline that seems incapable of paying the Award or better was in Eastern Europe and Kiev recently to find pilots who would fly for a visa. True blue or mongrel black wings? You decide.
Until the CX pilot force gets a good majority of its workforce organised, the company will continue to negotiate deals on the day. Nice to get the 50,000 overtime, but it is a short term reward. Imagine how the negotiating team feel when the company say "You represent half the workforce, you are therefore powerless, so
off." That is why you see little dynamism from the AOA. They need the mandate. The best thing the AOA can do is to organise a massive recruiting drive, not along the lines of what they have done, but what they could do with, say, 90% membership.
What d'ya think??