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V Australia now live.
Guys/Gals,
The new website for Virgin Blue's international B777 operation in Australia is now live. Links to V-Australia employment applications appear to be also available.
http://www.vaustralia.com.au/
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The new website for Virgin Blue's international B777 operation in Australia is now live. Links to V-Australia employment applications appear to be also available.
http://www.vaustralia.com.au/
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Check out the aviation section of Fridays edition (November 2nd) of "The Australian" for more info.
The Zookeeper was quoted some time back: "oh yes, lots will apply. But WE know that no one will leave Cathay".
BAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
For a very intelligent individual in his own right, it's a pity he doesn't know an aileron from an elavator (no Nik, that's not a lift in Swire House -- just in case you were wondering). Just a pity that he has to rely on minions who have risen through the nullah pile over the years who are only thinking of their mansions in Phuket.
As another poster alluded to in another thread, CX is only a few months behind KA.
The Zookeeper was quoted some time back: "oh yes, lots will apply. But WE know that no one will leave Cathay".
BAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
For a very intelligent individual in his own right, it's a pity he doesn't know an aileron from an elavator (no Nik, that's not a lift in Swire House -- just in case you were wondering). Just a pity that he has to rely on minions who have risen through the nullah pile over the years who are only thinking of their mansions in Phuket.
As another poster alluded to in another thread, CX is only a few months behind KA.
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Wareyeknee: sorry to have to bring this up mate, but if you are going to attempt to wind up someone by mentioning a specific (elavator) you really need to check the spelling first....ok? 'E-L-E-V-A-T-O-R'
Otherwise, he will think we are a bit of a joke....
Otherwise, he will think we are a bit of a joke....
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Well i hope that Virgin dont "try it on" with some lame pay and conditions in the hope that they will get a flood of applicants anyway....but then again, it would make good business sense. Watch this space, will be very interesting in the next year.
Lets say they pay $220,000 AUD = $1.54M HKD
Current B-scale Captain $1.274M HKD (incl 13th month)
Obviously tax/housing will even it all out but hey, not in Hong Kong to lick stamps, here to make money. Nick, the "worth our while to live in HKG" gap has closed.......dont like it then leave formula wont work because guys/gals can now!!!!!
Lets say they pay $220,000 AUD = $1.54M HKD
Current B-scale Captain $1.274M HKD (incl 13th month)
Obviously tax/housing will even it all out but hey, not in Hong Kong to lick stamps, here to make money. Nick, the "worth our while to live in HKG" gap has closed.......dont like it then leave formula wont work because guys/gals can now!!!!!
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For Interest $185,000 PA would give you $10,179 net each month
$220,000 PA would give you $11,783 net each month.
Straight figures - if you can factor in deductions (negative gearing, wife and kids, alimony & maintenance (
) ) etc then obviously net will improve.
Not sure if medicare levy is part of tax as calculated above or extra/additional.
Obviously AU$$$"s
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$220,000 PA would give you $11,783 net each month.
Straight figures - if you can factor in deductions (negative gearing, wife and kids, alimony & maintenance (
) ) etc then obviously net will improve.Not sure if medicare levy is part of tax as calculated above or extra/additional.
Obviously AU$$$"s
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Greed
Greed Greed Greed.
Why is it always the calculator that wins in all my discussions with my CX co-workers? Punch the calculator as much as you like but there are more important issues to consider. I am looking at taking a position on a much smaller commuter aircraft.
As an Aussie, or any one who qualify for this position, how much value do you put on clean air, clean ocean’s etc.
So you are going to make (maybe) more money at CX. At what price??
At what cost to your family? Unstable rostering, being cat B at any time you disagree with the 3rd floor, very suspect checking, sorry, training (being sold to juniors as superior) being fired for “no apparent reason” etc.
When deciding on a flying career in the late 70’s I always knew money would not be the motivator, rather work satisfaction. I knew working for the Air Force will never make me a rich man. Fortunately this has changed over the last 28 years. This does not means I am going to prostitute myself to the highest bidder or the one with the biggest and shiniest fleet. I always remember why I decided on this occupation and that is where I am going back to.
If you have the opportunity to improve your situation, even at a reduced income, just do it!.
I don’t want to be like some of the very rich guys I fly with that don’t know how to retire. I’ll rather die a poor old man then a rich young man.
Then you have to look at how your conditions have been reduced over the last couple of years in CX, where as I believe a new start up can only improve with time.
Why is it always the calculator that wins in all my discussions with my CX co-workers? Punch the calculator as much as you like but there are more important issues to consider. I am looking at taking a position on a much smaller commuter aircraft.
As an Aussie, or any one who qualify for this position, how much value do you put on clean air, clean ocean’s etc.
So you are going to make (maybe) more money at CX. At what price??
At what cost to your family? Unstable rostering, being cat B at any time you disagree with the 3rd floor, very suspect checking, sorry, training (being sold to juniors as superior) being fired for “no apparent reason” etc.
When deciding on a flying career in the late 70’s I always knew money would not be the motivator, rather work satisfaction. I knew working for the Air Force will never make me a rich man. Fortunately this has changed over the last 28 years. This does not means I am going to prostitute myself to the highest bidder or the one with the biggest and shiniest fleet. I always remember why I decided on this occupation and that is where I am going back to.
If you have the opportunity to improve your situation, even at a reduced income, just do it!.
I don’t want to be like some of the very rich guys I fly with that don’t know how to retire. I’ll rather die a poor old man then a rich young man.
Then you have to look at how your conditions have been reduced over the last couple of years in CX, where as I believe a new start up can only improve with time.
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Yip, Both ex S.A.A. management pilots. One did take his hat and spend time in the Middle East when he saw the writing on the wall with the political interference at S.A.A..
Worked with one in the past and met the other occasionally at a social level and found them both gentlemen.
Worked with one in the past and met the other occasionally at a social level and found them both gentlemen.
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Cxtreme, did you come to Hong Kong for the fresh air and wide open spaces? Money never entered your mind during your decision making to join CX? Sounds like porky pies to me big fella!
Greed is that someone who has made all their money, then saunter back to Australia, take a job at well below industry rates, 'because they dont need the money anymore', and support a company that charges pilots for endorsements, and selfishly sits back sipping his coffee wondering what all these whinging junior pilots are so pi$$ed off about. Prostituting your self to the lowest bidder, as in this case, does a lot more damage to the long term future of junior pilots than voting with your feet for better terms and conditions. Senior pilots are selfishly doing alot of damage to the industry by accepting these conditions, and it is the junior guys left carrying the can, by paying for their endorsements, and having poor T&Cs agreed to by senior guys who didnt have to pay because they got a free one at CX or EK, and had earnt enough to go home comfortably well off... "Its just a retirement position, a bit of fun for the last few years right?"
Some people were hoping for a career like you had. I think if you have done well out of the industry, you owe it to the industry to maintain its hard fought terms and conditions as you leave, not kick down the sand castles as you leave the beach, so no one else can enjoy it when you leave. Now thats my idea of greedy.
Greed is that someone who has made all their money, then saunter back to Australia, take a job at well below industry rates, 'because they dont need the money anymore', and support a company that charges pilots for endorsements, and selfishly sits back sipping his coffee wondering what all these whinging junior pilots are so pi$$ed off about. Prostituting your self to the lowest bidder, as in this case, does a lot more damage to the long term future of junior pilots than voting with your feet for better terms and conditions. Senior pilots are selfishly doing alot of damage to the industry by accepting these conditions, and it is the junior guys left carrying the can, by paying for their endorsements, and having poor T&Cs agreed to by senior guys who didnt have to pay because they got a free one at CX or EK, and had earnt enough to go home comfortably well off... "Its just a retirement position, a bit of fun for the last few years right?"
Some people were hoping for a career like you had. I think if you have done well out of the industry, you owe it to the industry to maintain its hard fought terms and conditions as you leave, not kick down the sand castles as you leave the beach, so no one else can enjoy it when you leave. Now thats my idea of greedy.
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Lowkoon,
Must be mistaken me for someone else. Never made the BIG money as a year 5 freighter F/O.
I am going for lifestyle.
But I do agree with a lot of what you say.
Must be mistaken me for someone else. Never made the BIG money as a year 5 freighter F/O.
I am going for lifestyle.
But I do agree with a lot of what you say.
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Let's not be delusional. Any company offering T & C from the eighties operating today would be facing financial ruin. The market has fundamentally changed,just look at the capacity on any route compared to twenty years ago. Revenues? Just look at what passengers pay now for flights....... In a year's time anyone will be able to fly around the globe on low cost carriers. If you were around then, Well done! but today it couldn't be justified.
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Qantas pay more now than they did in the 70s and 80s, Im sure if we put our heads together for more than a billionth of a second we could come up with more. Low cost propaganda, "We just cant pay you any more because we cant make any more" is just bs. Sorry to hear there are airline people who still believe the mantra. Just because cx and ka dont pay A scale wages anymore, doesnt mean other companies around the world havent improved T and Cs since then. The A scale wages were unique to this region to attract people to come here. You can bet we are going to see profitable airlines offer attractive packages again to attract suitable crew, and amazingly they will still be able to remain profitable!