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Oh NC, you are going to hurt Nick's feelings. You know he is one of those sensitive political types.
Pleb88, I see you deleted some of your post on item number 3. Yes and I agree it is hard to have creditability when everyone knows he screwed his best friends wife. You should have left it up. Oh well, who will know.
Me thinks the AOA is truly finished. Can someone give me a reason to stay in. Yes I know the part about IFALPA coming to my rescue in I crash. If I do I correctly I don't have to worry about. Any other reasons, I really can't think of any.
We don't need anyone to negotiate for us it just gets imposed. Pilots are running scared and can't even enforce their own contract. Walker acts with impunity and the pilots and AOA let him do it. I guess we get what we deserve.
Going to be a long hard road for the younger blokes.
NC, the new COS will have 5 years loss of license paid for by CX. That will save some HK pesos instead of paying Top cover. NC, how does that work. Will you get paid 5 years from CX as a lump sum and then receive 5 years from Top cover in monthly installments.
Is there any legal case the AOA can take? I am sure you will see pilots start to bail if the AOA sits by. Can't say I not thinking about it.
Don't we have a COS and a basing agreement. Why do pilots going on a base have to sign COS 08? I am sure COS 99 has basing policies and the permanent basing agreement.
So the basings will now be given to the senior pilots and DEFO's, so I think the idea of receiving a base will only get more difficult. So I assume the idea is to get a base now and hold onto it. Works well with CX having a skeleton crew in Hong Kong and having the bases do most of the work. Longer duty cycles coming I presume. We will see this with the new ATFL's being imposed.
By the way, who is negotiating the new AFTL's, the same group that negotiated the last deal? Dare I say it, but where is Warham when you need him. Maybe the CPU will take legal action. Set myself up for some abuse here me thinks.
What will the pilots do, sit by and just let it happen? Think I know the answer to that one. I am sure it will come down to 'it does not affect me'.
Pleb88, I see you deleted some of your post on item number 3. Yes and I agree it is hard to have creditability when everyone knows he screwed his best friends wife. You should have left it up. Oh well, who will know.
Me thinks the AOA is truly finished. Can someone give me a reason to stay in. Yes I know the part about IFALPA coming to my rescue in I crash. If I do I correctly I don't have to worry about.
Any other reasons, I really can't think of any.We don't need anyone to negotiate for us it just gets imposed. Pilots are running scared and can't even enforce their own contract. Walker acts with impunity and the pilots and AOA let him do it. I guess we get what we deserve.
Going to be a long hard road for the younger blokes.
NC, the new COS will have 5 years loss of license paid for by CX. That will save some HK pesos instead of paying Top cover. NC, how does that work. Will you get paid 5 years from CX as a lump sum and then receive 5 years from Top cover in monthly installments.
Is there any legal case the AOA can take? I am sure you will see pilots start to bail if the AOA sits by. Can't say I not thinking about it.
Don't we have a COS and a basing agreement. Why do pilots going on a base have to sign COS 08? I am sure COS 99 has basing policies and the permanent basing agreement.
So the basings will now be given to the senior pilots and DEFO's, so I think the idea of receiving a base will only get more difficult. So I assume the idea is to get a base now and hold onto it. Works well with CX having a skeleton crew in Hong Kong and having the bases do most of the work. Longer duty cycles coming I presume. We will see this with the new ATFL's being imposed.
By the way, who is negotiating the new AFTL's, the same group that negotiated the last deal? Dare I say it, but where is Warham when you need him. Maybe the CPU will take legal action. Set myself up for some abuse here me thinks.
What will the pilots do, sit by and just let it happen? Think I know the answer to that one. I am sure it will come down to 'it does not affect me'.
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NC, Is it your understanding that anyone transferring to a base from Hong Kong will also have to accept the new Unified Salary? I can't find any reference to this in the GMA update.
What I do find is that it states that once a base goes On-shore the CoS will be ammended only to the extent to comply with local labour laws. "This will not involve any degradation of conditions".
I am not able to find any reference to being required to transfer onto the Unified Salary - If I'm overlooking something please let me now.
What I do find is that it states that once a base goes On-shore the CoS will be ammended only to the extent to comply with local labour laws. "This will not involve any degradation of conditions".
I am not able to find any reference to being required to transfer onto the Unified Salary - If I'm overlooking something please let me now.
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NC, You are PATHETIC!
Always have been, and always will be.
It is because of people like you and ST(and of course a membership that resembles a bowl of green jello) that the "aoa" is in the shape it is in today!!
ST has lied to my face many times about many very important issues(MG even more).
ND has never lied to me.
Funny you criticize a fellow comittee member for reporting sick when you were working on your G days during contract compliance!!!!
Very sad!
Always have been, and always will be.
It is because of people like you and ST(and of course a membership that resembles a bowl of green jello) that the "aoa" is in the shape it is in today!!
ST has lied to my face many times about many very important issues(MG even more).
ND has never lied to me.
Funny you criticize a fellow comittee member for reporting sick when you were working on your G days during contract compliance!!!!
Very sad!
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Not my fan club;-)
Mr Bloggs,
ok if you want to slander, get the facts straight.
Now can we get on with the main thrust of this thread???
As to your question ref LoL - all that has happened is that they have extended LoL till 60, as per the current ASL contract. LoL and LoI are two different beasts so as usual we are not getting anything for free.
19weeler
what can I say? I have worked with both men and I trust ST. ND was on a personal revenge agenda and would not be swayed from his course regardless of membership angst. Under his 'reign' we went from 95% membership to below 50%. SInce ST has taken over I believe we are now back over 60%.
I don't remember working any G days or answering the phone during contract compliance but since you say I did, I must have. Please tell me what other atrocities I am responsible for.
Now onto serious questions....
Mach75/Kane toed
I haven't read the fine print but my understanding is this....since you are both current employees(ie CoS99) you can elect to go on a base but you will have to transfer over to CoS08 at some stage. This will mean no bypass pay for anyone extending 55-64. You will have a choice between receiving CoS99or CoS08(ie UFO) based salary. It varies from base to base but simply put, CoS99 is much higher for the first 4 years, then UFO is higher, then both scales remain close around the 7-10 year mark.
In the Aus basing case, you would be $100,000+ worse off switching over to UFO scale taking a base. You can do say 3-4 years on the base on CoS99 salary (but CoS08 conditions) then switch over to UFO scales if you wish. Once you switch to UFO scales you cannot switch back though.
My advice(with all the usual disclaimers) is if you must/want/need to take a base as an FO, go on CoS99 salary scales. You will have 3-4 years to work out whether it is worth switching to UFO scales at year 5.
As a general warning....RA65 will mean your career earnings(till 55) are such that you will have to work 2-4 more years just to recover lost earnings. If you receive full bypass pay, that loss is ameliorated such that you 'only' have to work an extra year or so to break even financially on the loss that RA65 will cause you.
clear as mud?
ok if you want to slander, get the facts straight.
Now can we get on with the main thrust of this thread???
As to your question ref LoL - all that has happened is that they have extended LoL till 60, as per the current ASL contract. LoL and LoI are two different beasts so as usual we are not getting anything for free.
19weeler
what can I say? I have worked with both men and I trust ST. ND was on a personal revenge agenda and would not be swayed from his course regardless of membership angst. Under his 'reign' we went from 95% membership to below 50%. SInce ST has taken over I believe we are now back over 60%.
I don't remember working any G days or answering the phone during contract compliance but since you say I did, I must have. Please tell me what other atrocities I am responsible for.
Now onto serious questions....
Mach75/Kane toed
I haven't read the fine print but my understanding is this....since you are both current employees(ie CoS99) you can elect to go on a base but you will have to transfer over to CoS08 at some stage. This will mean no bypass pay for anyone extending 55-64. You will have a choice between receiving CoS99or CoS08(ie UFO) based salary. It varies from base to base but simply put, CoS99 is much higher for the first 4 years, then UFO is higher, then both scales remain close around the 7-10 year mark.
In the Aus basing case, you would be $100,000+ worse off switching over to UFO scale taking a base. You can do say 3-4 years on the base on CoS99 salary (but CoS08 conditions) then switch over to UFO scales if you wish. Once you switch to UFO scales you cannot switch back though.
My advice(with all the usual disclaimers) is if you must/want/need to take a base as an FO, go on CoS99 salary scales. You will have 3-4 years to work out whether it is worth switching to UFO scales at year 5.
As a general warning....RA65 will mean your career earnings(till 55) are such that you will have to work 2-4 more years just to recover lost earnings. If you receive full bypass pay, that loss is ameliorated such that you 'only' have to work an extra year or so to break even financially on the loss that RA65 will cause you.
clear as mud?
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"Two types of people are attracted to positions of influence....those wanting the kudos and those that are selfless and charitable. ST is one of the most honest, selfless people I have ever met."
Funny!
"Rule 5. We did not offer any productivity in 2007 or in RP07. Simple maths (yet again). Under 5-4-3 you can achieve almost 3.5 ULH patterns a month - that equates to 3.5*25=87.5hrs a month - so the 900hrs a year target is easily achieveable."
Even funnier!
Idiot!
Funny!
"Rule 5. We did not offer any productivity in 2007 or in RP07. Simple maths (yet again). Under 5-4-3 you can achieve almost 3.5 ULH patterns a month - that equates to 3.5*25=87.5hrs a month - so the 900hrs a year target is easily achieveable."
Even funnier!
Idiot!
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I almost find it hard to believe that Cathay used to be THE airline to work for...
Hopefully in years to come when Cathay is struggling to find anyone who wants to work for a 4th rate airline and breathe toxic fumes every day the present management will be recognised for the egotistical and arrogant fools they are.....or maybe not. Frankly, who cares? By then it will be too late and it will take years to rebuild the airline's once proud reputation.
Two guys just quit the day they were signed off on the 400....nice!! Freighter guys turning the job down before they even arrive..... If Management are telling us that there is no problem recruiting I would suggest they were being very imaginitive with the truth.
I giggle myself silly when I remember that I once thought this was a career airline....and lets not even get started on the "training"!!
The grass is definitely not always greener elsewhere, but just to go somewhere where there aren't so many snakes in the grass would be a start. EasyJet have changed their management and now have a well paid, happy and motivated workforce. Oasis appear to have started that way from the very beginning and may they go from strength to strength.
Yes, it is definitely time to look for a happier place, if not necessarily as well paid.
I'm off to do just that. Funnily, I don't think I'm alone......
Hopefully in years to come when Cathay is struggling to find anyone who wants to work for a 4th rate airline and breathe toxic fumes every day the present management will be recognised for the egotistical and arrogant fools they are.....or maybe not. Frankly, who cares? By then it will be too late and it will take years to rebuild the airline's once proud reputation.
Two guys just quit the day they were signed off on the 400....nice!! Freighter guys turning the job down before they even arrive..... If Management are telling us that there is no problem recruiting I would suggest they were being very imaginitive with the truth.
I giggle myself silly when I remember that I once thought this was a career airline....and lets not even get started on the "training"!!
The grass is definitely not always greener elsewhere, but just to go somewhere where there aren't so many snakes in the grass would be a start. EasyJet have changed their management and now have a well paid, happy and motivated workforce. Oasis appear to have started that way from the very beginning and may they go from strength to strength.
Yes, it is definitely time to look for a happier place, if not necessarily as well paid.
I'm off to do just that. Funnily, I don't think I'm alone......
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On-Shore Bases may be shake things up for the better
I wonder how much our glorious leaders have really thought about this idea of On-Shore Basing Companies. It will be very interesting if the based Pilot's decide to join a national trade union like the TWU in Oz or something similar. Just imagine:
Don't like the roster.
Don't like the lack of an inflation based pay rises.
Don't like an unfair dismissal.
Don't like the fact that your colleague doing the same job is payed according to a higher pay scale.
Would like something like a simple car park at your base airport, or
Don't like an intimidation based sickness scheme.
Call in the TWU official responsible for your workplace and send him off to the On-shore company to sort it out. Things like protected industrial action come into play for the first time for CX Pilots, similar to what is ocurring with NJS in OZ right now. All the local industrial laws will apply. With a Labor government likely to be in power in OZ soon, a powerful union would have top cover to sort out and if needs be, shutdown the local operations for a period of time, of a wealthy international company in order to protect it's new members.
Just food for thought????
Don't like the roster.
Don't like the lack of an inflation based pay rises.
Don't like an unfair dismissal.
Don't like the fact that your colleague doing the same job is payed according to a higher pay scale.
Would like something like a simple car park at your base airport, or
Don't like an intimidation based sickness scheme.
Call in the TWU official responsible for your workplace and send him off to the On-shore company to sort it out. Things like protected industrial action come into play for the first time for CX Pilots, similar to what is ocurring with NJS in OZ right now. All the local industrial laws will apply. With a Labor government likely to be in power in OZ soon, a powerful union would have top cover to sort out and if needs be, shutdown the local operations for a period of time, of a wealthy international company in order to protect it's new members.
Just food for thought????
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Ha Ha Ha. What do you do there in Incestuous Bay? I was thinking of the other guy not you but thanks for letting us all know how rampant is it over there. Now that’s funny. Can we start a different thread on that alone? It would be interesting indeed.
IMHO in ND’s reign we had 95% of the membership with 94% voting for industrial action: most knowing they will not carry it out. When time came to carry it out, most quit the AOA. For whatever reason they did not have the backbone. Some claimed financial, fear, and ND was an industrial terrorist. Well I guess if you stand up for yourself you are an industrial terrorist. In the end, those that deserted were very happy with their package. Just wish they would have told the rest but then again it's the backbone thingy.
Anyway back to the topic.
So loss of license is still only two years of salary but increased by 5 years to age 60 instead of age 55. Bit misleading in the GMA’s post but that is expected.
Is it possible that the On-shoring is a red herring? Why does someone need to transfer to COS 08 when taking a base? We have provisions in COS 99 and the permanent basing agreement? I think the GMA will have you sign COS 08 by telling you have to sign it. As soon as you sign he’s got you. You signed it voluntarily.
The GMA is giving his opinion that you don’t have a choice and you do under contract law.
I tend to believe the DFO, time to command will decrease with RA65, and I will have all this money in my PF when I retire because I will work longer. He doesn’t lie. Sorry, don't have a smiley for him.
Don’t think local labor laws with protect you with this lot. “We have lost confidence in your ability”; you received three 2’s on your last PC, which was completed by the Flying Training Manager or Chief Pilot. You will be D&G’d and your appeal will have similar results with the GMA. Here is your 3 months.
Don’t think the guys in other base areas with help you. What will the unions do? We had unfair dismissals before and nothing was done. Don’t expect it to change in the future.
Hope the GC is willing to do something, if not it’s curtains for the AOA.
Dare I say it, “time to move to the CPU”? Well I guess members, non-members and the company will label you an Industrialist Terrorist. It will be a Captains only union then, what am I thinking……………………
We will never increase our COS; we are struggling just to hang onto what we have. Seems that some have just accepted it. I assume it does not affect them as they are on a good package. So screw the new pilots going on a base with the new Unified pay scale. Yep, I’m OK. Take a look around young fella, not much better out there so may as well accept it.
IMHO in ND’s reign we had 95% of the membership with 94% voting for industrial action: most knowing they will not carry it out. When time came to carry it out, most quit the AOA. For whatever reason they did not have the backbone. Some claimed financial, fear, and ND was an industrial terrorist. Well I guess if you stand up for yourself you are an industrial terrorist. In the end, those that deserted were very happy with their package. Just wish they would have told the rest but then again it's the backbone thingy.
Anyway back to the topic.
So loss of license is still only two years of salary but increased by 5 years to age 60 instead of age 55. Bit misleading in the GMA’s post but that is expected.
Is it possible that the On-shoring is a red herring? Why does someone need to transfer to COS 08 when taking a base? We have provisions in COS 99 and the permanent basing agreement? I think the GMA will have you sign COS 08 by telling you have to sign it. As soon as you sign he’s got you. You signed it voluntarily.
The GMA is giving his opinion that you don’t have a choice and you do under contract law.
I tend to believe the DFO, time to command will decrease with RA65, and I will have all this money in my PF when I retire because I will work longer. He doesn’t lie. Sorry, don't have a smiley for him.
Don’t think local labor laws with protect you with this lot. “We have lost confidence in your ability”; you received three 2’s on your last PC, which was completed by the Flying Training Manager or Chief Pilot. You will be D&G’d and your appeal will have similar results with the GMA. Here is your 3 months.
Don’t think the guys in other base areas with help you. What will the unions do? We had unfair dismissals before and nothing was done. Don’t expect it to change in the future.
Hope the GC is willing to do something, if not it’s curtains for the AOA.
Dare I say it, “time to move to the CPU”? Well I guess members, non-members and the company will label you an Industrialist Terrorist. It will be a Captains only union then, what am I thinking……………………
We will never increase our COS; we are struggling just to hang onto what we have. Seems that some have just accepted it. I assume it does not affect them as they are on a good package. So screw the new pilots going on a base with the new Unified pay scale. Yep, I’m OK. Take a look around young fella, not much better out there so may as well accept it.
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Is it possible that the On-shoring is a red herring? Why does someone need to transfer to COS 08 when taking a base? We have provisions in COS 99 and the permanent basing agreement? I think the GMA will have you sign COS 08 by telling you have to sign it. As soon as you sign he’s got you. You signed it voluntarily.
The GMA is giving his opinion that you don’t have a choice and you do under contract law.
Regarding the GMA giving opinion as Company Policy, I 'ran this by' a couple of solicitor mates who specialise in Contractual Law. Interestingly enough, if someone was to sign CoS'08 just because "you have to" without any specific reference to "Vol. this, Section that, Paragraph (1), subparagraph (f)" etc., is grounds to possibly convince a jury of falsifying, misrepresenting and possible intent of deceiving an employee.
So the Company has big pockets - does that justify Kim Jong Phil from deceiving us ? IMHO, no it doesn't.
The GMA is giving his opinion that you don’t have a choice and you do under contract law.
Regarding the GMA giving opinion as Company Policy, I 'ran this by' a couple of solicitor mates who specialise in Contractual Law. Interestingly enough, if someone was to sign CoS'08 just because "you have to" without any specific reference to "Vol. this, Section that, Paragraph (1), subparagraph (f)" etc., is grounds to possibly convince a jury of falsifying, misrepresenting and possible intent of deceiving an employee.
So the Company has big pockets - does that justify Kim Jong Phil from deceiving us ? IMHO, no it doesn't.
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it will add time to command - if the world continues going as it is now it will add about 3-4years to command time for a new joiner. If we got a fair few freighters and keep the freighter/pax CN pay differential then it will add another year or two to command time for pax only FOs.
Sorry cyril, my tolerance of people playing the man instead of the ball has been stretched too far.
Now, back to the questions.
Hellenic,
for quite a while CX has been offering extensions to those approaching 55. This has been in part due to expansion and in (major) part due to avoiding any potential age discrimination. CoS99 clearly states RA55. CoS08 allows for RA65.
CX couldn't just offer RA65 without catches.
You can't have all your expat benefits after 55 - why?
You can't have bypass pay for 55-64yo extendees - why?
If you are an SO and sign over you will waive well over $1million HK in bypass pay.
There is one huge benefit of the current state of play. People are looking around and realising that money isn't everything....and in the CX case, money isn't anything(for anyone who joined in this millennium).
For an Aussie looking for work now...he can look at joining CX at $5K aussie a month if he/she lives in HKG(SO) or $7.5K a month if he/she joins as a DEFO. And based on current projections you don't have to worry about doing a scary command course till the far side of 2020 if you join the 'brush wing' so there's another plus.
If I was starting out now I would have QF first, then Virgin intl, then EK. CX offers far less money, longer command time and an unhealthy living environment, in case you decide to actually have a family!
ABCX
it will add time to command - if the world continues going as it is now it will add about 3-4years to command time for a new joiner. If we got a fair few freighters and keep the freighter/pax CN pay differential then it will add another year or two to command time for pax only FOs.
Sorry cyril, my tolerance of people playing the man instead of the ball has been stretched too far.
Now, back to the questions.
Hellenic,
for quite a while CX has been offering extensions to those approaching 55. This has been in part due to expansion and in (major) part due to avoiding any potential age discrimination. CoS99 clearly states RA55. CoS08 allows for RA65.
CX couldn't just offer RA65 without catches.
You can't have all your expat benefits after 55 - why?
You can't have bypass pay for 55-64yo extendees - why?
If you are an SO and sign over you will waive well over $1million HK in bypass pay.
There is one huge benefit of the current state of play. People are looking around and realising that money isn't everything....and in the CX case, money isn't anything(for anyone who joined in this millennium).
For an Aussie looking for work now...he can look at joining CX at $5K aussie a month if he/she lives in HKG(SO) or $7.5K a month if he/she joins as a DEFO. And based on current projections you don't have to worry about doing a scary command course till the far side of 2020 if you join the 'brush wing' so there's another plus.
If I was starting out now I would have QF first, then Virgin intl, then EK. CX offers far less money, longer command time and an unhealthy living environment, in case you decide to actually have a family!
ABCX
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A Career in Review.
After 19 years I guess nothing sould really surprise me. For thos with less T.I. her is a review of the various "events" of the past 19 years.
The first few years was great. Then our fearless leader R. Eddington decieded that our Vol1 and CoS needed to be "cleaned up" a bit. Just a "review" to ensure evrything was well presented.
This led to the infamous "commitment days" For this pleasure we were gathered at a downtown hotel and the big brass baffled us with charts showing cash cover and various horrendous senarios all of which ended with the company broke and us out of work. B Scales were announced, and against the AOA's recommendations were brought in, and of course people came. 
Then the first imposed deal. While sitting in my cockpit at the gate in Paris just minutes from pushing back, a ground staffer ran in with a personalized package for each crew member. Basically sign or never get a base, no raise etc etc. It wasn't too long after that that CX wanted to unilaterally rip up the signed basings agreement. Off to court we went...and the survey said........ binding in HONOUR only, the deal was nixed. Next came another "review" of our CoS. While sitting at home a FEDEX package was delivered to each of us. Sign by... or quit. It was then time to make the frieghters more "profitable" Keep it in house we said, oh no better to be a separate company, we can hire direct to the left seat easy. After a misserable year or so of that positions were offered to CX pilots, some jumped ( no comment on that). This still didnt reall help. Soon the company had a great idea. Lets bring it back into CX, keep it "in house". A "negotiated deal" saw my salary reduce by 22% and my monthly hours increase and my 13th month dissapear, just whos side the AOA's negotiators were on I don't know, not mine.
The 49er fiasco was next when the company fired , without due process, a number of our colleagues. We as a group,(AOA) collected commitments from members to help the 49ers. This cost each of us a lot of money, but it was something we had to do. sadly, I saw several mebers, mebers that had voted FOR the showdown that resulted in the firings, quit because they "couldn't afford" the extra dues....thanks a lot you F$%%$%# ers. We then saw the company go on a tear, failing numerous command candidates. A number so far beyond any statistical probability as to render it laughable. And so we arrive here, today. the company is making absoulte buckets of money, (good for them), but we see 0% increase, ok 3% for some and they want us to bail them out of their frieghter mess...for nothing. Its been quite the ride. Through all of this I still mostly enjoy the job, and the money, but I don't understand why people still come if they have other options. And to think all of this started with just a bit of house cleaning.
The first few years was great. Then our fearless leader R. Eddington decieded that our Vol1 and CoS needed to be "cleaned up" a bit. Just a "review" to ensure evrything was well presented.
This led to the infamous "commitment days" For this pleasure we were gathered at a downtown hotel and the big brass baffled us with charts showing cash cover and various horrendous senarios all of which ended with the company broke and us out of work. B Scales were announced, and against the AOA's recommendations were brought in, and of course people came. Then the first imposed deal. While sitting in my cockpit at the gate in Paris just minutes from pushing back, a ground staffer ran in with a personalized package for each crew member. Basically sign or never get a base, no raise etc etc. It wasn't too long after that that CX wanted to unilaterally rip up the signed basings agreement. Off to court we went...and the survey said........ binding in HONOUR only, the deal was nixed. Next came another "review" of our CoS. While sitting at home a FEDEX package was delivered to each of us. Sign by... or quit. It was then time to make the frieghters more "profitable" Keep it in house we said, oh no better to be a separate company, we can hire direct to the left seat easy. After a misserable year or so of that positions were offered to CX pilots, some jumped ( no comment on that). This still didnt reall help. Soon the company had a great idea. Lets bring it back into CX, keep it "in house". A "negotiated deal" saw my salary reduce by 22% and my monthly hours increase and my 13th month dissapear, just whos side the AOA's negotiators were on I don't know, not mine. The 49er fiasco was next when the company fired , without due process, a number of our colleagues. We as a group,(AOA) collected commitments from members to help the 49ers. This cost each of us a lot of money, but it was something we had to do. sadly, I saw several mebers, mebers that had voted FOR the showdown that resulted in the firings, quit because they "couldn't afford" the extra dues....thanks a lot you F$%%$%# ers. We then saw the company go on a tear, failing numerous command candidates. A number so far beyond any statistical probability as to render it laughable. And so we arrive here, today. the company is making absoulte buckets of money, (good for them), but we see 0% increase, ok 3% for some and they want us to bail them out of their frieghter mess...for nothing. Its been quite the ride. Through all of this I still mostly enjoy the job, and the money, but I don't understand why people still come if they have other options. And to think all of this started with just a bit of house cleaning.
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