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Old 20th Sep 2007, 14:08
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housing allowance: no change, as far as I know: 25.000
education allocs: up to 2 kids, no changes there either.
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Old 24th Sep 2007, 13:33
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404 Titan or someone could you clear up a couple of points?

quote from Titan "Cadets “CAN NOT” be bonded by CX in HK after their training as evidenced by two cadets who after returning from Adelaide recently put in their resignation to CX. They had been offered a better deal with another local airline."

how did this happen when its meant to work that if cadets refuse a CX position or quit before serving 6 years they have to pay CX back for training?

Who would offer such low hours pilots a better deal than CX's??

Rhumours that they are thinkin of changing the cadet programme from leading straight into positions on CX's long haul routes.

Whats the general concensus about the fact that cadets start flying widebodies with absolutely minimal experience on multi-props let alone small or med jets? (and that after 3 years of [not] flying as an SO)
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 06:53
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Article in AW magazine states that less than 1/3 the required # of pilots requred over the next 10 yes will come from established training sources. In addition , the average level of experience will drop to a dangerous level. Pilot salaries will rise to levels not seen since the 60's. It seems CX mngmt believes that demographic trends do not apply to them...
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 12:21
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I so hope you are right - but if I look at the pace with which they built power stations and factories in the Pearl River Delta ( measurable in pollution increase ) then I have a feeling they will just as quickly build flying schools to supply the cadets. Ten cheers for the 80 hour MPL who gets his first command at the age of 21!!! Why pay an old grumpy expat millions to do the same job!
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Old 3rd Oct 2007, 19:05
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Missingblade: you may be right...but the only result of that policy will be several very large and very public hull losses. The next result will be the failure of the carrier in question. There is NO substitute for experience. Cathay will forget that at their peril (..and their passengers!).
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 04:36
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....grumpy old men are paid for their experience.. invaluable specially if you have your families flying in the aircraft he or she is commanding.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 04:46
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So then B scalers I assume will not be allowed to become grumpy old men - since they don't get paid for it.
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Old 5th Feb 2008, 13:17
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I thought this was interesting:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel...,4631217.story

chicagotribune.com

Retiring pilots put American in a bind
By Julie Johnsson
Tribune reporter
February 2, 2008

American Airlines is canceling flights and placing management pilots in its cockpits as it grapples with an onslaught of early pilot retirements that has left it short-handed for February.

On Friday, 143 pilots retired from American, the nation's largest airline. That's one of the largest pilot groups to depart en masse in airline history, amounting to about half the total number of American pilots who typically retire in a given year, according to the carrier's pilots union.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=311565
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Old 6th Feb 2008, 09:09
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So, let's see..

Extensions to age 65, even in HKG- don't kid yourselves, it WILL happen.
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ULR will go 3 crew at anything under 13 hours and probably with a 'helpful' variation from CAD anything up to 15 hours... it's already hinted at in the FTL's, it just won't be at commander's discretion anymore. (there's a HUGE crew saving right there)
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DEFO's (and maybe even DES/O's )on bases with no housing etc
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Other carriers just not offering sufficiently sweet deals in order to lure any of us away in sufficiently large numbers... and by that you'd have to be assuming 100+ pilots at all levels... in one hit. Anything less just won't hurt them...only our rosters. 105 hrs per month anyone? Sure, some of us are doing it now, regularly.
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Just good old management inertia... like global warming.. it's not hurting the bottom line, (YET)so let's not worry about it as long as we can, in the hopes that the next downturn will save us from having to introduce COS improvements that we will have to stick to.
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No PAYRISES and NO "SHORTAGE"

and besides, when it DOES bite, the knoddies making all the money decisions will no longer be around to account for them.
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