Working on a G day (CX)
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Working on a G day (CX)
I'm just a little curious as to who out there is working on a G day without requesting the G day call out compensation?
As a general rule I don't answer my phone on a G day, however of late I've found myself short of $$$$ (buying a house, wife etc). So for the past few months I've been answering the phone saying "happy to help out.... but.... only for the G day call out $", the response is always the same "great thanks.... will call you back". Now the only logical reason as to why crew control has not called back once is, they have rung around and found all you turkeys out there willing to work on the G days for free!
Maybe some of you don't know your Vol 1......
GDO Callout Compensation will be 2.5% of the crew member’s basic monthly salary for each GDO worked.
I realise that some like the nice little letter in your file thanking you for working on a G day, but Please... either don't work on a G day, or at least ask for what you are entitled to!
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As a general rule I don't answer my phone on a G day, however of late I've found myself short of $$$$ (buying a house, wife etc). So for the past few months I've been answering the phone saying "happy to help out.... but.... only for the G day call out $", the response is always the same "great thanks.... will call you back". Now the only logical reason as to why crew control has not called back once is, they have rung around and found all you turkeys out there willing to work on the G days for free!
Maybe some of you don't know your Vol 1......
GDO Callout Compensation will be 2.5% of the crew member’s basic monthly salary for each GDO worked.
I realise that some like the nice little letter in your file thanking you for working on a G day, but Please... either don't work on a G day, or at least ask for what you are entitled to!
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Or perhaps we could all just not work on a G day at all since they are not paying you what they should be. Buying a wife may be an expensive business but if we all worked together we could apply pressure to them to either employ enough pilots (thereby giving us better rosters) or pay what it is actually worth.
"I'm just a little curious as to who out there is working on a G day.
As a general rule I don't answer my phone on a G day, however of late I've found myself fat on time. So for the past few months I've been answering the phone saying "happy to help out.... but.... only for a month of G days on my next roster.", the response is always the same "great thanks.... will call you back". Now the only logical reason as to why crew control has not called back once is, they have rung around and found all you turkeys out there willing to work on the G days.
Maybe some of you don't know your "Industrial Pressure 101"
Wait until the bastards are sweating then turn up the heat a notch
I realise that some like the nice little letter in your file thanking you for working on a G day, or the poxy 2.5%, but Please... either don't work on a G day, or at least ask for what you are worth
"I'm just a little curious as to who out there is working on a G day.
As a general rule I don't answer my phone on a G day, however of late I've found myself fat on time. So for the past few months I've been answering the phone saying "happy to help out.... but.... only for a month of G days on my next roster.", the response is always the same "great thanks.... will call you back". Now the only logical reason as to why crew control has not called back once is, they have rung around and found all you turkeys out there willing to work on the G days.
Maybe some of you don't know your "Industrial Pressure 101"
Wait until the bastards are sweating then turn up the heat a notch
I realise that some like the nice little letter in your file thanking you for working on a G day, or the poxy 2.5%, but Please... either don't work on a G day, or at least ask for what you are worth
FWIW...I have over the years worked many G days and always automatically received the 2.5%.
Could be a chicken and egg thingy me thinks.
Since it us vs them it is just another check!
Could be a chicken and egg thingy me thinks.
Since it us vs them it is just another check!
I have never automatically been paid and as I ask if they are offering pay or a further G they always find someone else. I have been offered a G when I would have been on reserve which I refuse. If they can spare you on reserve they are not going to call you out.
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I have over the years worked many G days and always automatically received the 2.5%.
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I worked one recently as it suited me and received both the pay and a nice letter.
I would agree with the principal of not working one just for the money though, as the money offered is insufficient - my days off are worth more than that!
I would agree with the principal of not working one just for the money though, as the money offered is insufficient - my days off are worth more than that!
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Just remember that you have to work 40 "G" days to be compensated for a months salary.
It's like 60 hours of credit for a months leave!
CX needs to give full credit for working an extra day and proper credit for annual leave. IE. 2.8 hours per leave day and 3% of a months salary for a "G" day.
It's like 60 hours of credit for a months leave!
CX needs to give full credit for working an extra day and proper credit for annual leave. IE. 2.8 hours per leave day and 3% of a months salary for a "G" day.
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You realise that they will call you out on a G day before they call someone off reserve who is going to go into overtime because it is cheaper for them. So you are actually taking money off your workmate who is stuck on reserve and can't go anywhere.
Say no to G days until it is a greater penalty to the company which is never so.......say no to G days.
Say no to G days until it is a greater penalty to the company which is never so.......say no to G days.
FWIW,
There are about 20 working days in a month. Therefore each day is worth 5% of your pay. That is before any consideration is given to penalty rates.
Each G day worked should be 5% plus a bonus and an extra day appended to your annual leave.
There are about 20 working days in a month. Therefore each day is worth 5% of your pay. That is before any consideration is given to penalty rates.
Each G day worked should be 5% plus a bonus and an extra day appended to your annual leave.
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...and then in the next round of contract negotiations the company representative produces figures that show the "X" number of pilots were prepared to work on G days and so by such we conclude that you do not need that many as previous, so we will offer "Y" dollars pay rise but now you will only be gauranteed 7 G days per month.......
Hey, I have a better idea....why don't we give them some of our leave too !
Bloody idiots !
Hey, I have a better idea....why don't we give them some of our leave too !
Bloody idiots !
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There are obviously two schools of thought here. I subscribe to (perhaps the less obvious ideal) that market forces will dictate salaries and conditions.
I support the fact that individuals who have nothing better to do may elect to work on their 'G' days for a nominal compensation. I operate the 744 and have more time off than I need and sometimes enjoy having a few extra sectors.
Listening to some off the comments would make one believe that I should decline these sectors. Well, when it does not suit me I shall refuse to operate but a lot of the time it does suit me.
The issue is not what we get paid for working on a 'G' day (the remuneration has previously been negotiated and I for one am reasonably happy with the arrangements) - the real issue is the basic salary which has not reflected inflation for at least the last five years.
Lastly, I have been around for a while in the aviation industry. I take exception to people who say what I should and should not accept. I make my own decisions as to what is fair or not and when I deem it out of line I shall make my stand as I have done in a previous life.
Enough said
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I support the fact that individuals who have nothing better to do may elect to work on their 'G' days for a nominal compensation. I operate the 744 and have more time off than I need and sometimes enjoy having a few extra sectors.
Listening to some off the comments would make one believe that I should decline these sectors. Well, when it does not suit me I shall refuse to operate but a lot of the time it does suit me.
The issue is not what we get paid for working on a 'G' day (the remuneration has previously been negotiated and I for one am reasonably happy with the arrangements) - the real issue is the basic salary which has not reflected inflation for at least the last five years.
Lastly, I have been around for a while in the aviation industry. I take exception to people who say what I should and should not accept. I make my own decisions as to what is fair or not and when I deem it out of line I shall make my stand as I have done in a previous life.
Enough said
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the real issue is the basic salary which has not reflected inflation for at least the last five years.
The government official Hong Kong inflation rate is almost nil when compared to pre-SARs. This is why the company is going to offer us next to nothing in terms of a pay raise. Nevermind the fact that the goverment statistic is completely bogus.
Working G'Days only bolsters their position that 1) real costs have not increased and 2) our employees would love to work extra if offered.
Hence we will have no pay increase.
Enjoy, that is all. Must go sleep off my Hang Over!
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jtr,
It is human nature to think of one self first and in an environment where you have the option, most do. That is the positive of a legal union being able to voice a policy and enforce it.
Here in CX we don't have that capability. People do think of themselves first whether they work a "G" day or not.
There is no answer or correction which will work short of legalizing unions in HK and this obviously is an advantage for CX management. We can bang our heads against the wall or just accept the fact that we are the most un-unified group within the industry that I know of.
It is human nature to think of one self first and in an environment where you have the option, most do. That is the positive of a legal union being able to voice a policy and enforce it.
Here in CX we don't have that capability. People do think of themselves first whether they work a "G" day or not.
There is no answer or correction which will work short of legalizing unions in HK and this obviously is an advantage for CX management. We can bang our heads against the wall or just accept the fact that we are the most un-unified group within the industry that I know of.
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"un-unified" The most PC way of saying selfish I can think of. Having said that it is a little difficult to have a common push on things such as this when the AOA will not propose action/direction on such simple things.
If we don't work on G days does it apply pressure on the company to either employ more pilots or pay what we are worth? Yes. ergo "Please be advised it is the unions position that all members shall not work on G days." Doesn't seem too difficult to my admittedly simple brain, but I guess we have to consider the damage it might do to our great relationship.
If we don't work on G days does it apply pressure on the company to either employ more pilots or pay what we are worth? Yes. ergo "Please be advised it is the unions position that all members shall not work on G days." Doesn't seem too difficult to my admittedly simple brain, but I guess we have to consider the damage it might do to our great relationship.
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jtr wrote
Done on purpose. I can't speak for the whole pilot group. (Who can?) However I do have my own opinion.
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That may be true for Hong Kong but I don't intend to retire here. Inflation in your home country (or wherever you intend retiring to) is what is important as an expat.
14 "I"'s and not one "We"
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No, the issue is that you're ignorant to the facts.
The government official Hong Kong inflation rate is almost nil when compared to pre-SARs. This is why the company is going to offer us next to nothing in terms of a pay raise. Nevermind the fact that the goverment statistic is completely bogus.
The government official Hong Kong inflation rate is almost nil when compared to pre-SARs. This is why the company is going to offer us next to nothing in terms of a pay raise. Nevermind the fact that the goverment statistic is completely bogus.