5%? 10%? 60%? For a pay raise?
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ULR,
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
But just a point regarding your last post. You wrote. "When you say "reading your posts reminds me of a funny line...blah blah blah, etc BOLLOX" well, call me simple but to me that implies my posts are Bollox. Whatever....back pedal as much as you like mate".
Now,
shall I call you simple!!!!!!, the line is a play on WORDS, it means too many if's and but's. Just because it has the word BOLLOX in it does not mean I am calling your posts BOLLOX. Back peddling, no not me.
Also "Prove to me that EK earns less please. Prove to me QF earns less please"
Please read my posts again, I have never asked any info regarding QF.
Please stop putting words into my mouth...Thank you.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
But just a point regarding your last post. You wrote. "When you say "reading your posts reminds me of a funny line...blah blah blah, etc BOLLOX" well, call me simple but to me that implies my posts are Bollox. Whatever....back pedal as much as you like mate".
Now,
shall I call you simple!!!!!!, the line is a play on WORDS, it means too many if's and but's. Just because it has the word BOLLOX in it does not mean I am calling your posts BOLLOX. Back peddling, no not me.
Also "Prove to me that EK earns less please. Prove to me QF earns less please"
Please read my posts again, I have never asked any info regarding QF.
Please stop putting words into my mouth...Thank you.
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BAS,
yes we will have to agree to disagree. When X(EK salary and career earnings) is a number bigger than Y(CX salary and career earnings) and you continue to assert the opposite, we will disagree.
Too many ifs and buts????? I took out ERP, I took out EK profit share. All I left for EK was basic salary and hourly pay(like our HDP) at 75hrs. I did leave in a couple of ifs and buts in the CX equation - like a full 84hrs HDP pay and full 13th month every year - is that what you meant when you said too many ifs and buts??!!
BAS, since you dont understand my maths, you probably believe management when they say RA60 will speed up time to command too!
yes we will have to agree to disagree. When X(EK salary and career earnings) is a number bigger than Y(CX salary and career earnings) and you continue to assert the opposite, we will disagree.
Too many ifs and buts????? I took out ERP, I took out EK profit share. All I left for EK was basic salary and hourly pay(like our HDP) at 75hrs. I did leave in a couple of ifs and buts in the CX equation - like a full 84hrs HDP pay and full 13th month every year - is that what you meant when you said too many ifs and buts??!!
BAS, since you dont understand my maths, you probably believe management when they say RA60 will speed up time to command too!
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Nice stuff, ULR.
Sometimes you can't win, but I appreciate all the crunching that you have done on those salary numbers. It has certainly opened my eyes and I hope the eyes of many others!
Keep up the good work...
Sometimes you can't win, but I appreciate all the crunching that you have done on those salary numbers. It has certainly opened my eyes and I hope the eyes of many others!
Keep up the good work...
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Here's another interesting fact. Apart from the annual payrises that EK have given over the last decade, they also have 3% increments. Once you are a CN in CX we have 2% annual pay increments.
Ergo, just to keep up with EK increments CX will need to offer a 1% a year payrise from now on. Thats assuming EK don't have any more payrises again!
So whatever gets offered, remember to subtract 1% a year just to equate it with normal EK increments. EK has been giving annual payrises around 3-5%+ a year for the last few years so really CX would need to pay 4-6% a year to mark time and substantially more to actually recover lost ground since 2001.
Yeah I can see that happening - NOT.
Ergo, just to keep up with EK increments CX will need to offer a 1% a year payrise from now on. Thats assuming EK don't have any more payrises again!
So whatever gets offered, remember to subtract 1% a year just to equate it with normal EK increments. EK has been giving annual payrises around 3-5%+ a year for the last few years so really CX would need to pay 4-6% a year to mark time and substantially more to actually recover lost ground since 2001.
Yeah I can see that happening - NOT.
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I do not see us (CX) losing many if any to EK. From what I have read and heard, it is not a great place to work and IT IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST! They could pay millions and I would not go. Also, we have at least one EK captain who is an S/O here. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU! They have to rasie the pay and they are still having trouble getting and retaining crew. 
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He is now a DEFO, and by the way, over a beer, ask him what he thinks of our training system versus EK's. He was a C+T over there but wanted to get back to OZ.
Thats one that come our way - any idea how many have gone the other way? I am not sure but I know I met an EK CN in 2002 who had left CX in 1998 as he was so pissed off. Would be nice to know actual flow either way.
Middle east is good for poms and no worse for canucks than here. Much worse for aussies though!
They lost almost 100 guys last year. Work rate on the bus was close to 900hours but is likely to be closer to 700hours this year(CX is targetting close to 700). They subsequentely had 17% payrise for new joiners this year. It will be interesting to see if the reduced work rate and increased pay reduces the turnover.
CX workrate has increased from 590 to 690 since last pay negotiations and we have had no payrises.
So in summary
EK - workrate reduces more than 20% gets 17% payrise,
CX - workrate increased almost 20% get no payrise!
So I have no problem expecting a big double digit payrise from CX.
"Tell him he's dreamin"
Thats one that come our way - any idea how many have gone the other way? I am not sure but I know I met an EK CN in 2002 who had left CX in 1998 as he was so pissed off. Would be nice to know actual flow either way.
Middle east is good for poms and no worse for canucks than here. Much worse for aussies though!
They lost almost 100 guys last year. Work rate on the bus was close to 900hours but is likely to be closer to 700hours this year(CX is targetting close to 700). They subsequentely had 17% payrise for new joiners this year. It will be interesting to see if the reduced work rate and increased pay reduces the turnover.
CX workrate has increased from 590 to 690 since last pay negotiations and we have had no payrises.
So in summary
EK - workrate reduces more than 20% gets 17% payrise,
CX - workrate increased almost 20% get no payrise!
So I have no problem expecting a big double digit payrise from CX.
"Tell him he's dreamin"
