5%? 10%? 60%? For a pay raise?
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Heres how a cx pay rise works for those new guys who weren't around for the last few.
4% pay rise minus 7% productivity gain equals= 3% pay cut.
4-7=(-3)
The proof is in the Dragon air offer!!
4% pay rise minus 7% productivity gain equals= 3% pay cut.
4-7=(-3)
The proof is in the Dragon air offer!!
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Bad Air Sucker,
OK. I will use your assumptions.
I have included the Annual Discretionary Bonus for CX even though it isn't guaranteed. I have assumed 84 HDP hours a month. I have ignored profit share as it will be about 2% a year for CX and profit share for EK has been averaging in excess of 10% but you want to keep it 'guaranteed'. I have assumed they only get 75hrs for their HDP and no overtime for either CX or EK but bear in mind their system pays overtime earlier than ours. ALso they can purchase a house using EK money just like we can.
They have RA 65 already, we don't. I have assumed CN in year 5 in EK( year 3 or 4 currently) and after 9 years in CX. I have factored up EK salary to allow for 16% tax.
Year 1
CX $406K (SO1)
EK $702K (FO1)
Year 5
CX $806K (FO1)
EK $1,107 (CN1)
Year 10
CX $1,241K (CN1)
EK $1,269K (CN6)
Now I have ignored ERP and a vastly superior profit share forumla for EK which could add up to 7.5% and 5-15% respectively. I have ignored CX profit share of 6days and $6,000 which is around2% and I have assumed ADB is paid forever when history suggests otherwise.
Badairsucker, you still think CX pays better????
Aussie, if you want I can do the same thing for QF - believe it or not, over the last decade CX has fallen way behind. Even allowing for an extra 4-5 years to command, QF pays more over a career!
OK. I will use your assumptions.
I have included the Annual Discretionary Bonus for CX even though it isn't guaranteed. I have assumed 84 HDP hours a month. I have ignored profit share as it will be about 2% a year for CX and profit share for EK has been averaging in excess of 10% but you want to keep it 'guaranteed'. I have assumed they only get 75hrs for their HDP and no overtime for either CX or EK but bear in mind their system pays overtime earlier than ours. ALso they can purchase a house using EK money just like we can.
They have RA 65 already, we don't. I have assumed CN in year 5 in EK( year 3 or 4 currently) and after 9 years in CX. I have factored up EK salary to allow for 16% tax.
Year 1
CX $406K (SO1)
EK $702K (FO1)
Year 5
CX $806K (FO1)
EK $1,107 (CN1)
Year 10
CX $1,241K (CN1)
EK $1,269K (CN6)
Now I have ignored ERP and a vastly superior profit share forumla for EK which could add up to 7.5% and 5-15% respectively. I have ignored CX profit share of 6days and $6,000 which is around2% and I have assumed ADB is paid forever when history suggests otherwise.
Badairsucker, you still think CX pays better????
Aussie, if you want I can do the same thing for QF - believe it or not, over the last decade CX has fallen way behind. Even allowing for an extra 4-5 years to command, QF pays more over a career!
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ULR,
Whats the point of comparing a 1st year FO in EK with a 1st year SO in CX, some of our SO won't have the experience to apply for EK anyway.
Why don't you compare a FO with a FO and a Captain with a Captain. All of your calculations are assuming 10 years to command with CX, take the SO nonsense out of you figures that brings them a LITTLE closer to each other, 5 years as a FO then a Captain.
Anyway, can't be bothered with this any more, so if EK are such great payers, when are you leaving???????
Whats the point of comparing a 1st year FO in EK with a 1st year SO in CX, some of our SO won't have the experience to apply for EK anyway.
Why don't you compare a FO with a FO and a Captain with a Captain. All of your calculations are assuming 10 years to command with CX, take the SO nonsense out of you figures that brings them a LITTLE closer to each other, 5 years as a FO then a Captain.
Anyway, can't be bothered with this any more, so if EK are such great payers, when are you leaving???????
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Badair,
I think the point is the hiring wage and what you make at year 5 and 10! Who really cares about stripes just pay!
Some of our SO's would qualify and some won't but CX doesn't really hire DE FO's to the pax fleet do they!
Besides, who ever said CX should pay the same as any other carrier? CX should pay MORE! Yes more for having to live in an unhealthy environment. That's what they used to do years ago when the top management wasn't so greedy.
I think the point is the hiring wage and what you make at year 5 and 10! Who really cares about stripes just pay!
Some of our SO's would qualify and some won't but CX doesn't really hire DE FO's to the pax fleet do they!
Besides, who ever said CX should pay the same as any other carrier? CX should pay MORE! Yes more for having to live in an unhealthy environment. That's what they used to do years ago when the top management wasn't so greedy.
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Well for the last 11 years if you have wanted to join CX or EK you had to join CX as an SO and you joined EK as an FO. So it seems logical to compare what pay you would be on at particular year points. Qantas make you join as an SO. Should I compare QF FO salary versus CX? In that case QF pay way more than CX as you will get between $130K to $200K depending on which fleet versus what you get in CX which is about $120K at the moment.
So yes some of our SOs don't have the experience to join EK but most do.
CX FO salary is higher - but it takes you 4 years to get it(3 years as SO, 1 year as JFO). EK CN salary is lower than CX for the first few years but is higher than CX later as their increments are 3% per year. But if command stays the same in both airlines, over the first 10 years you are 25% better off financially in EK and after 20 years you are still almost 15% better off. But I would suggest the risk is on the downside for command at CX with RA60/65 which would lower career earnings at CX.
Why am I telling people this? SO that any potential new joiners know that EK now pays much more than CX, command is in about 4 years with RA65 whereas CX is 9-10years with RA55 and that will get worse if we do accept RA60/65 - caveat emptor.
Why don't I leave? Well because I have invested too much time in CX and I don't want to start again. It would also affect my commuting. So no I will stay here even though financially my conditions are deteriorating. But that shouldn't stop us from warning potential new joiners what is out there!
Bad air sucker, I just want people to know the facts. EK used to be the badly paid airline that had quick command as the attraction. Now they pay better than we do and still have quick commands! Dont know why you are off in a huff....are you in CX recruiting or management? Its important for us all to know what our competitors pay and conditions are.
So yes some of our SOs don't have the experience to join EK but most do.
CX FO salary is higher - but it takes you 4 years to get it(3 years as SO, 1 year as JFO). EK CN salary is lower than CX for the first few years but is higher than CX later as their increments are 3% per year. But if command stays the same in both airlines, over the first 10 years you are 25% better off financially in EK and after 20 years you are still almost 15% better off. But I would suggest the risk is on the downside for command at CX with RA60/65 which would lower career earnings at CX.
Why am I telling people this? SO that any potential new joiners know that EK now pays much more than CX, command is in about 4 years with RA65 whereas CX is 9-10years with RA55 and that will get worse if we do accept RA60/65 - caveat emptor.
Why don't I leave? Well because I have invested too much time in CX and I don't want to start again. It would also affect my commuting. So no I will stay here even though financially my conditions are deteriorating. But that shouldn't stop us from warning potential new joiners what is out there!
Bad air sucker, I just want people to know the facts. EK used to be the badly paid airline that had quick command as the attraction. Now they pay better than we do and still have quick commands! Dont know why you are off in a huff....are you in CX recruiting or management? Its important for us all to know what our competitors pay and conditions are.
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Ok, So I am in a huff, possibly management or in recruiting...Man you have spent too much time commuting mate, take a week off.
Reading your posts reminds me of a funny line....
If my auntie had bollox she'd be me uncle.
Reading your posts reminds me of a funny line....
If my auntie had bollox she'd be me uncle.
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Badairsucker,
Why are you so upset that some are pointing out the fact we aren't the highest paid pilots in the industry? This is great information for the people here and for those looking to join. I am more than qualified for EK, but I don't want to live in UAE. Many other of our SOs are as well. I know several people who were considering CX that no longer are because of many other good opportunities. Hopefully this will allow us some leverage in our pay negotiations, as I don't think anyone would argue with a payrise. Don't be so upset mate, go and enjoy a nice cold beer on this rare beautiful HKG day!!!
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Why are you so upset that some are pointing out the fact we aren't the highest paid pilots in the industry? This is great information for the people here and for those looking to join. I am more than qualified for EK, but I don't want to live in UAE. Many other of our SOs are as well. I know several people who were considering CX that no longer are because of many other good opportunities. Hopefully this will allow us some leverage in our pay negotiations, as I don't think anyone would argue with a payrise. Don't be so upset mate, go and enjoy a nice cold beer on this rare beautiful HKG day!!!
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Bad air sucker
what is it about my posts that bothers you? I am just quoting the numbers, nothing else. If you want to be pissed off with me for pointing out that EK pay more than CX thats your prerogative.
At the end of the day pilots care about 2 things. When we get the window seats and how much we earn over a career. EK beats CX on both counts. Until a few years ago CX beat EK on career earnings! But EK has averaged 3-5% payrises a year whereas CX has averaged 0% a year since 2nd half of 2001.
I enjoy my job at CX - but I was lucky enough to join on A scales. I can't in good faith recommend this job to any aussie knowing what the alternatives are. In order for CX to be competitive it would take a 20-30% payrise for B scales. Not likely!
Badairsucker, you started off telling me my figures were wrong. So I quoted my numbers. You didn't like my assumptions, so I started taking out all pro EK assumptions and leaving in pro CX assumptions. After all that you just write off what I say as bollox and say you don't want to continue this irrelevant discussion. I am more than happy to compare numbers and facts with you or anyone else. I like to keep things logical and numerical as I find emotive posts don't lead us anywhere useful. If you would like any more info post here or PM me!
what is it about my posts that bothers you? I am just quoting the numbers, nothing else. If you want to be pissed off with me for pointing out that EK pay more than CX thats your prerogative.
At the end of the day pilots care about 2 things. When we get the window seats and how much we earn over a career. EK beats CX on both counts. Until a few years ago CX beat EK on career earnings! But EK has averaged 3-5% payrises a year whereas CX has averaged 0% a year since 2nd half of 2001.
I enjoy my job at CX - but I was lucky enough to join on A scales. I can't in good faith recommend this job to any aussie knowing what the alternatives are. In order for CX to be competitive it would take a 20-30% payrise for B scales. Not likely!
Badairsucker, you started off telling me my figures were wrong. So I quoted my numbers. You didn't like my assumptions, so I started taking out all pro EK assumptions and leaving in pro CX assumptions. After all that you just write off what I say as bollox and say you don't want to continue this irrelevant discussion. I am more than happy to compare numbers and facts with you or anyone else. I like to keep things logical and numerical as I find emotive posts don't lead us anywhere useful. If you would like any more info post here or PM me!
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It's a no brainer that age 65 will be offered as part of the pay deal as if it is something for US, rather than a desperate attempt by management to shore up crew demographics. There will not be any pay rise that is in double digits, and even then it will be spread over several years, with an uplift in 'productivity' expected in return......
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I am staggered that you all think I am in a huff and upset at this post, please look a bit closer at yourselves...CHRIST CHILLOUT.
I never TOLD you your figures were wrong ULR, I just think that you put to much spin on your figures, i.e if this, but that, if this etc. I only posted the figures advertised on the EK website. Yes, I believe them to be different to the ones you stated.
Sizematters, That line is from "THE OFFICE", if you don't find that funny then I am afraid your sense of humour has left planet earth. Calling me management, ha ha very funny, whats next? Maybe some name throwing???
It goes to show the CX way of doing things are still going strong. I reply to your posts with facts and figures(straight from the company website) and and get accused of being pissed off and in a huff because I DARE to put my side of things into the pot....Naughty me,OFF now to tell myself off.
I never TOLD you your figures were wrong ULR, I just think that you put to much spin on your figures, i.e if this, but that, if this etc. I only posted the figures advertised on the EK website. Yes, I believe them to be different to the ones you stated.
Sizematters, That line is from "THE OFFICE", if you don't find that funny then I am afraid your sense of humour has left planet earth. Calling me management, ha ha very funny, whats next? Maybe some name throwing???
It goes to show the CX way of doing things are still going strong. I reply to your posts with facts and figures(straight from the company website) and and get accused of being pissed off and in a huff because I DARE to put my side of things into the pot....Naughty me,OFF now to tell myself off.
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This is just typical! A guy points out facts that does not suit the boysclub and hes being hammered down by jealous guys. Is it really so hard to accept the fact that there are other, and for some, better obtions out there? In this case we are actually only talking about money - on top of that comes all the soft values.. Thanks for the info URS. Good stuff. 
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Yeager,
I you are refering to myself, please inform me of what I am supposed to be jealous of???
Also, Yeager, saying "A guy points out facts that does not suit the boysclub and hes being hammered down by jealous guys"
Please show me the FACTS mate, not some random figures ULR has worked out and posted them onto a forum. The figures and FACTS are all on the EK website for ALL of you to see. Think for yourself, don't just jump on the bandwagon.
ULR, please can you bring to my attention when I have called your replies BOLLOX.
I you are refering to myself, please inform me of what I am supposed to be jealous of???
Also, Yeager, saying "A guy points out facts that does not suit the boysclub and hes being hammered down by jealous guys"
Please show me the FACTS mate, not some random figures ULR has worked out and posted them onto a forum. The figures and FACTS are all on the EK website for ALL of you to see. Think for yourself, don't just jump on the bandwagon.
ULR, please can you bring to my attention when I have called your replies BOLLOX.
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OK Bad air sucker,
I will try again. My numbers aren't made up.
From the website
Starting salary
20,840Dh
HDP35 per hour for FOs until the overtime threshold which varies but for consistency I have used 75 hours.
So 75*35=2625Dh
So if the guy works 75 hours he will get 23,465DH. USD:AED is 3.66 - using 7.8 for HKD gives a tax free income of $50K HKD or $59.5K in pre HKG tax income. Ihave taken out their 2-11 weeks profit share and up to 7.5% ERP to satisfy your need for 'guarantees'.
So in his first year an EK employee, based on website figures, will get $600K tax free or >$700K in HKD pre tax equivalent.
Sorry mate, I don't make numbers up. EK new joiners have enjoyed in excess of 17% payrise this year - but you won't see that on the website. 6% in Jan + their HDP = >17% for new joiners.
One more time for those that dont have CX blinkers on - EK have had over 43% in pay increases over the last 7 years! That is a FACT. No ERP - no Profit share. If I include those two items their pay is another 15-20% better than CX.
BAS, hit me with some facts and figures, not hyperbole and rhetoric.
When you say "reading your posts reminds me of a funny line...blah blah blah, etc BOLLOX" well, call me simple but to me that implies my posts are Bollox. Whatever....back pedal as much as you like mate. Prove to me that EK earns less please. Prove to me QF earns less please. I have spent a lot of time over the last few weeks finding out the opposite and would love to be proven wrong. I was very surprised to find out that EK is paid more. My first reaction was to tell my EK mates that had helped me in my analysis to let them pass on to potential new joiners how things stand today. I cannot argue corporate cultures as I don't know whether Arabic is worse than Victorian England or quaint olde Australian aviation culture. What I can tell any new joiner from Oz is that CX should be 3rd on the list after EK and QF.
Argue the math, not the man. Whatever pisses you off about me let it go. Tell me what you think I have got wrong with my analysis!? I am more than happy to put up slices and dices of my spreadsheet here but it makes for pretty boring reading and then I dont want to be accused of making up numbers again. By the way, most Aussies are getting the full 7.5%ERP right now. I have ignored that. Average PS has been well in excess of 4 weeks but I have ignored that too. So effectively to make your comparison I have discounted up to 17.5% of earnings for EK and yet EK still win! Happy now???????????
I will try again. My numbers aren't made up.
From the website
Starting salary
20,840Dh
HDP35 per hour for FOs until the overtime threshold which varies but for consistency I have used 75 hours.
So 75*35=2625Dh
So if the guy works 75 hours he will get 23,465DH. USD:AED is 3.66 - using 7.8 for HKD gives a tax free income of $50K HKD or $59.5K in pre HKG tax income. Ihave taken out their 2-11 weeks profit share and up to 7.5% ERP to satisfy your need for 'guarantees'.
So in his first year an EK employee, based on website figures, will get $600K tax free or >$700K in HKD pre tax equivalent.
Sorry mate, I don't make numbers up. EK new joiners have enjoyed in excess of 17% payrise this year - but you won't see that on the website. 6% in Jan + their HDP = >17% for new joiners.
One more time for those that dont have CX blinkers on - EK have had over 43% in pay increases over the last 7 years! That is a FACT. No ERP - no Profit share. If I include those two items their pay is another 15-20% better than CX.
BAS, hit me with some facts and figures, not hyperbole and rhetoric.
When you say "reading your posts reminds me of a funny line...blah blah blah, etc BOLLOX" well, call me simple but to me that implies my posts are Bollox. Whatever....back pedal as much as you like mate. Prove to me that EK earns less please. Prove to me QF earns less please. I have spent a lot of time over the last few weeks finding out the opposite and would love to be proven wrong. I was very surprised to find out that EK is paid more. My first reaction was to tell my EK mates that had helped me in my analysis to let them pass on to potential new joiners how things stand today. I cannot argue corporate cultures as I don't know whether Arabic is worse than Victorian England or quaint olde Australian aviation culture. What I can tell any new joiner from Oz is that CX should be 3rd on the list after EK and QF.
Argue the math, not the man. Whatever pisses you off about me let it go. Tell me what you think I have got wrong with my analysis!? I am more than happy to put up slices and dices of my spreadsheet here but it makes for pretty boring reading and then I dont want to be accused of making up numbers again. By the way, most Aussies are getting the full 7.5%ERP right now. I have ignored that. Average PS has been well in excess of 4 weeks but I have ignored that too. So effectively to make your comparison I have discounted up to 17.5% of earnings for EK and yet EK still win! Happy now???????????
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Energie, these rates have applied since 1/7/01
SO 1-4
$386,556.00
$432,960.00
$484,920.00
$543,108.00
JFO 1-2
$593,052.00
$664,224.00
FO 1-4
$771,180.00
$784,116.00
$797,316.00
$810,780.00
SFO1-6
$838,248.00
$859,668.00
$881,736.00
$904,452.00
$927,864.00
$951,972.00
CN 1-2
$1,180,500.00
$1,201,620.00
SCN 1-17?
$1,223,136.00
$1,245,096.00
$1,267,488.00
$1,290,336.00
$1,313,628.00
$1,337,400.00
$1,361,640.00
$1,386,360.00
$1,411,584.00
$1,437,324.00
$1,463,544.00
$1,490,316.00
$1,517,616.00
$1,545,456.00
$1,573,872.00
$1,602,828.00
$1,632,384.00
Doesn't include HDP nor ADB(annual discretionary bonus/13th month). HDP equates to about 3-5%. ADB has been paid every year but two. One year not paid at all, another year only half paid.
SO 1-4
$386,556.00
$432,960.00
$484,920.00
$543,108.00
JFO 1-2
$593,052.00
$664,224.00
FO 1-4
$771,180.00
$784,116.00
$797,316.00
$810,780.00
SFO1-6
$838,248.00
$859,668.00
$881,736.00
$904,452.00
$927,864.00
$951,972.00
CN 1-2
$1,180,500.00
$1,201,620.00
SCN 1-17?
$1,223,136.00
$1,245,096.00
$1,267,488.00
$1,290,336.00
$1,313,628.00
$1,337,400.00
$1,361,640.00
$1,386,360.00
$1,411,584.00
$1,437,324.00
$1,463,544.00
$1,490,316.00
$1,517,616.00
$1,545,456.00
$1,573,872.00
$1,602,828.00
$1,632,384.00
Doesn't include HDP nor ADB(annual discretionary bonus/13th month). HDP equates to about 3-5%. ADB has been paid every year but two. One year not paid at all, another year only half paid.
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Hmmm. Im actually quiet surprised about that EK deal as well.. I was under the impression that CX was still a better paydeal. Now, simply by a good post, I know better.
What speaks in favour of CX vs. EK is still Hong Kong vs Dubai and the basing obtion. If EK had basings, which I understand is planned, its obviously becoming a very, very attractive offer. Good news for new joiners and the industry in general.
What speaks in favour of CX vs. EK is still Hong Kong vs Dubai and the basing obtion. If EK had basings, which I understand is planned, its obviously becoming a very, very attractive offer. Good news for new joiners and the industry in general.
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Background on Emirates Flight Operations
Career Progression and Rostering
Minimum Requirements
On-line Application Form
Selection Process
Reapplications – Policy Change
Retirement Age 65
Employment Packages
Captain Salary First Officer Salary
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 29,750 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 460.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 45 per block hour. For example, a Captain flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 3,375 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions - however an End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 11,865 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided for spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September 2007) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750
AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231
NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231
CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231
GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163
EUR Euro 1,563
2,231
ZAR South African Rand 183
262
BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231
FIRST OFFICER SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 20,840 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
On promotion to Captain, a pilot's salary is increased by ten steps. The minimum initial salary on promotion to Captain is Dhs 29,750 per month.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 325.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 35 per block hour. For example, a First Officer flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 2,625 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions – however End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 10,565 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided to spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750
AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231
NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231
CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231
GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163
EUR Euro 1,563
2,231
ZAR South African Rand 183
262
BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231
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Career Progression and Rostering
Minimum Requirements
On-line Application Form
Selection Process
Reapplications – Policy Change
Retirement Age 65
Employment Packages
Captain Salary First Officer Salary
CAPTAIN SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 29,750 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 460.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 45 per block hour. For example, a Captain flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 3,375 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions - however an End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 11,865 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided for spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September 2007) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750
AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231
NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231
CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231
GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163
EUR Euro 1,563
2,231
ZAR South African Rand 183
262
BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231
FIRST OFFICER SALARY:
Monthly Salary
Starting salary is Dhs 20,840 per month and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.
On promotion to Captain, a pilot's salary is increased by ten steps. The minimum initial salary on promotion to Captain is Dhs 29,750 per month.
Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 325.
Hourly Flying Pay
Flying pay will be paid for all block hours commencing from the first hour flown to the threshold level above which productivity pay will commence. The hourly flying pay rates will be Dhs 35 per block hour. For example, a First Officer flying 75 block hours in a given month will receive Dhs 2,625 as Flying Pay.
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS:
Place of Employment
All positions are permanent and based in Dubai, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East, well known for its wealth of fantastic shopping, sporting opportunities and a wonderful lifestyle.
Provident Fund
Emirates provides a company sponsored provident fund.
Company Contributions:
First 10 years - 12% of basic salary
After 10 years - 15% of basic salary
Entitlement on Resignation:
Within the first 5 years - no entitlement to Company Contributions – however End of Service Benefit applies.
Between 5 and 7 years - the entitlement is 75% of the company's contribution.
After 7 years - the entitlement is 100% of the company's contribution.
Accommodation
We provide fully furnished accommodation (including water, electricity, gas and maintenance costs) or a housing allowance of Dhs 10,565 per month.
Transport
All transport while on duty is supplied by the company. Additionally, an interest free car loan is available for new joiners (Dhs 70,000).
Health Cover
Free health cover (medical and dental) for the employee. Generously subsidised health cover (medical and dental) is also provided to spouse and dependent children.
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
Children's Educational Benefits
A generous education assistance package is provided for a maximum of three dependent children (between the ages of 4 and 19, in full-time school equivalent education). The revised allowances (effective 1st September) are:
Primary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 16,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 32,000 per child per academic year.
Secondary School:
Reimbursement of 100% of the first Dhs 25,000 and 90% of remainder up to a limit of Dhs 50,000 per child per academic year.
Profit Sharing
The company has in the past few years paid a tax free profit share bonus for all employees, which is dependent on company performance.
Annual Leave
42 days per year.
Privilege Travel
Free air travel for employee, spouse and eligible dependant children once a year to the Annual Leave Destination. On other occasions, after a qualifying period, discounted travel is available.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay
This is a compensation mechanism in addition to the monthly salary which protects employees from monetary fluctuations due to the appreciation of home country currencies against the UAE Dirham (AED). Approximate monthly payouts for a sample group of currencies are represented in the following table, which is based on the exchange rates for December 2006. Actual payment in any given month would vary up or down depending upon the exchange rate of the given month.
Exchange Rate Protection Pay First Officer Captain
Starting basic salary in AED 20,840
29,750
AUD Australian Dollar 1,563
2,231
NZD New Zealand Dollar 1,563
2,231
CAD Canadian Dollar 1,563
2,231
GBP Pound Sterling 1,515
2,163
EUR Euro 1,563
2,231
ZAR South African Rand 183
262
BRL Brazilian Real 1,563
2,231
Get your applications in Now boys before the 2% insult is finalised !!!!