Second Officers leaving Cathay?
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Second Officers leaving Cathay?
Hi out there,
Was wondering what the statistics are with regards to Second Officers leaving Cathay these days?
Out of the 6 direct entry S/Os I joined with in late 2004, 3 have already left for other opportunities.
That leaves the statistics, as from our class, at 50%.
2 left for Europe (1 old job back, 1 lowcoast), 1 for Aussieland (lowcoast).
Best regards.
Y
Was wondering what the statistics are with regards to Second Officers leaving Cathay these days?
Out of the 6 direct entry S/Os I joined with in late 2004, 3 have already left for other opportunities.
That leaves the statistics, as from our class, at 50%.
2 left for Europe (1 old job back, 1 lowcoast), 1 for Aussieland (lowcoast).
Best regards.
Y
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From: honkers
It does not surprise me in the slightest. I wonder how many have also had the thoughts about leaving, I know I have.
With upgrades talking close to four years and constant sims with some "not so nice" sim instructors, who would blame these guys for uping sticks and heading home!!!
And now direct entry F/Os.
With upgrades talking close to four years and constant sims with some "not so nice" sim instructors, who would blame these guys for uping sticks and heading home!!!
And now direct entry F/Os.
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With upgrades talking close to four years and constant sims with some "not so nice" sim instructors, who would blame these guys for uping sticks and heading home!!!
Not tryin to shyte on anyones parade..but I have heard some frightful stories....anyone care to comment?
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Originally Posted by Monarch Man
Not so nice sim instructors? Is this a throwback to the bad old days of "do as I say laddie..Ive forgotten more than you'll ever learn!" or is it more a case of a bit of fascism in the sim?
Not tryin to shyte on anyones parade..but I have heard some frightful stories....anyone care to comment?
Not tryin to shyte on anyones parade..but I have heard some frightful stories....anyone care to comment?
Apologies to those who put in the 110% preparation if the above sounds like a lecture, I don't mean it to be
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Has it ever occurred to anybody it might be about standards ?
As I said..Im not sitting here passing judgement, far from it, CX is a place Im interested in as a DEFO.
I would say regarding the odd CRM instructor needing CRM training..is no different to anywhere else! Some...where I work need beating about the head with a short lump of 4" X 2"
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MM didn't mean to infer anyone passing judgement etc, apologies if it sounded that way.
ERAS problem only if what is written is not true. From my experience this is not the case. The S/O's opinion of his performance may differ from the instructor however the observer is usually in a better position to make the assessment & usually has more experience to do so.
Again I'm not trying to be confrontational but there seems to be a perception out there that less than glowing ERAS reports are written to hold S/Os back, that is far from the truth in fact the opposite is closer to the truth.
ERAS problem only if what is written is not true. From my experience this is not the case. The S/O's opinion of his performance may differ from the instructor however the observer is usually in a better position to make the assessment & usually has more experience to do so.
Again I'm not trying to be confrontational but there seems to be a perception out there that less than glowing ERAS reports are written to hold S/Os back, that is far from the truth in fact the opposite is closer to the truth.
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From: honkers
Preset,
It's good to hear your take on such matters and I am sure most of the sim instructors are writing the truth. But, some instructors ARE using ERAS as a means to scare the SH1T out of some of the guys.
It's good to hear your take on such matters and I am sure most of the sim instructors are writing the truth. But, some instructors ARE using ERAS as a means to scare the SH1T out of some of the guys.
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signs
Good to see guys getting opportunities elsewhere, options are a good thing remember.
Current time for S.Os is 3 years and 8 months to J.F.O.
There are lots of hoops to jump through on the way but hey, we keep harking on about being highly trained professionals so.......
All these signs of options for pilots can only mean the worm is turning, hopefully we can soon make the most of it and as in the words of a great 777 T.C "They shall be calling us sir again soon!"
Good luck to all!!
Current time for S.Os is 3 years and 8 months to J.F.O.
There are lots of hoops to jump through on the way but hey, we keep harking on about being highly trained professionals so.......
All these signs of options for pilots can only mean the worm is turning, hopefully we can soon make the most of it and as in the words of a great 777 T.C "They shall be calling us sir again soon!"
Good luck to all!!