Mass Resignation from KA
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Time to command in Air Macau is only about 2-3 years now, and cost of living is much lower.
Sadly, I suspect the pay is too (approx GBP40k net for experienced FO and GBP50k-70k net for captains). And our housing allowance hasnt kept pace either.
But although we moan about mgmt, at least the rostering is generally okay....
Sadly, I suspect the pay is too (approx GBP40k net for experienced FO and GBP50k-70k net for captains). And our housing allowance hasnt kept pace either.
But although we moan about mgmt, at least the rostering is generally okay....
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KAOS without Smart ?
KA is absolute CHAOS !!! 
The guys & gals at the rock face are working themselves into the ground....
Exhausted, unrecognised, threatened and degraded they toil away daily with rising sickness and stress rates!! The professional approach of Cabin Crew & Pilots at KA is astounding in very
difficult conditions and the daily China environment !
A big hand to everyone
for maintaining the safety & standards as the s**t flows down from up on high...........
The guys & gals at the rock face are working themselves into the ground....
Exhausted, unrecognised, threatened and degraded they toil away daily with rising sickness and stress rates!! The professional approach of Cabin Crew & Pilots at KA is astounding in very
difficult conditions and the daily China environment !A big hand to everyone
for maintaining the safety & standards as the s**t flows down from up on high...........
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Now that the rumoured Frankfurt wet-lease for Air China is off - one has to ask, what is the plan?
We aren't going to Sydney, or Seoul, or Manila - but we are getting new aircraft all the time. What are they going to do? Trawl backwards and forwards to KHH?
In summary, there appears to be no plan for KA. Sure, we can keep doing what we do now (trawl backwards and forwards to KHH) but that's hardly the hallmark of a successful long term strategy.
It seems to the staff (witness all the previous posts here) that the Company is going nowhere.
The ETOPS project has been for nought.
Delays caused by maintenance seem more common than in years gone by.
Morale (both cockpit and cabin crew) is truly awful. Loyalty to the Company has dissolved to near zero. Poor rosters and the aching problem of an autocratic, remote, out-of-touch and disinterested flight ops management are the corrosive cause.
I am not surprised that many are talking about leaving. I would not recommend that anyone join now. The future is too uncertain and there are too many warning signals now. This company is drifting toward demise.
Or else - it's about to be quietly absorbed into Cathay and/or Air China. Afterall, everything we do these days is for them and nothing we do is for us.
We aren't going to Sydney, or Seoul, or Manila - but we are getting new aircraft all the time. What are they going to do? Trawl backwards and forwards to KHH?
In summary, there appears to be no plan for KA. Sure, we can keep doing what we do now (trawl backwards and forwards to KHH) but that's hardly the hallmark of a successful long term strategy.
It seems to the staff (witness all the previous posts here) that the Company is going nowhere.
The ETOPS project has been for nought.
Delays caused by maintenance seem more common than in years gone by.
Morale (both cockpit and cabin crew) is truly awful. Loyalty to the Company has dissolved to near zero. Poor rosters and the aching problem of an autocratic, remote, out-of-touch and disinterested flight ops management are the corrosive cause.
I am not surprised that many are talking about leaving. I would not recommend that anyone join now. The future is too uncertain and there are too many warning signals now. This company is drifting toward demise.
Or else - it's about to be quietly absorbed into Cathay and/or Air China. Afterall, everything we do these days is for them and nothing we do is for us.
Handing back some leased aircraft next year seems as though they know what's going on....... doesn't it......??
I mean at a time when ALL other airlines in the region are either rapidly expanding or desperate for any aircraft they can get their hands on, KA is sending aircraft back.
All makes sense to me
I mean at a time when ALL other airlines in the region are either rapidly expanding or desperate for any aircraft they can get their hands on, KA is sending aircraft back.
All makes sense to me
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It isn't as much what KA management is not doing, but what the parent company is allowing them to do. A while back it seemed that all was well at KA, and that it was the place to be as the small company that could.
The hardline approach and tough expansion talk from just a couple of years ago has now all but evaporated. Those of Australian descent are surely not happy that the much hyped SYD flights are now mothballed for the forseeable future. This came about coincidentally after the CX/CA cooperation talks. Go figure.
I suppose then that the management themselves also have a problem of trying to keep themselves interested. So the crap does roll downhill. And it seems that a 'number' of KA's management and staff has defected, not to the other airline, but to the new local amusement park. Including some of those who used to work with your rosters...
The funny thing is, from what I've heard, life at that new local amusement park is even worse.
The hardline approach and tough expansion talk from just a couple of years ago has now all but evaporated. Those of Australian descent are surely not happy that the much hyped SYD flights are now mothballed for the forseeable future. This came about coincidentally after the CX/CA cooperation talks. Go figure.
I suppose then that the management themselves also have a problem of trying to keep themselves interested. So the crap does roll downhill. And it seems that a 'number' of KA's management and staff has defected, not to the other airline, but to the new local amusement park. Including some of those who used to work with your rosters...
The funny thing is, from what I've heard, life at that new local amusement park is even worse.
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I hear KA will be buying a new rudder by the end of this month, so hopefully things will start pointing the right way again.
As for the local theme park, I hear they are complaining about pay rostering and management, so what is the difference?
Not every manager knows how to manage so don't expect miracles to happen.
Guys getting command training would assuming have had previous command time as they enter the company with a substantial amount of hours. Sometimes the checkers can be unfair but it also depends on the checkee. No free lunch I'm afraid.
As for the local theme park, I hear they are complaining about pay rostering and management, so what is the difference?
Not every manager knows how to manage so don't expect miracles to happen.
Guys getting command training would assuming have had previous command time as they enter the company with a substantial amount of hours. Sometimes the checkers can be unfair but it also depends on the checkee. No free lunch I'm afraid.
Sad to see one of the good guys lost.
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Guys,
Could you expand on a little more on why people are leaving dragon air. I have only heard good things about KA.
Also, with so many resignations where are people heading off to? Etihad? Emirates?
Could you expand on a little more on why people are leaving dragon air. I have only heard good things about KA.
Also, with so many resignations where are people heading off to? Etihad? Emirates?
Just from management.
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Thats a bit harsh mate - we're not that bad are we.
Oz2
Thats a bit harsh mate - we're not that bad are we.
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apparently the reason for all the turmoil is in preperation for the takeover by Cathay/air china which is due in January at which point the A330's and the freighters will join CX and the A320's will be retained by whats left of dragonair but as an LCC operating to China as a feeder for CX....................
have fun guys, should be an interesting bun fight !!!!
have fun guys, should be an interesting bun fight !!!!
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Nice wind up attempt Tim er I mean Marcus..woops I mean size matters
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Every pilot in KA will be a widebody skipper within 3 years!! (sound familiar to anyone??)
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Every pilot in KA will be a widebody skipper within 3 years!! (sound familiar to anyone??)
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You are making yourself very visible. The line pilot's are right, you would sell your wife, mother to get ahead.
You are a loquacious and pretentious p!@#k and your people are all hoi polloi.
You are a loquacious and pretentious p!@#k and your people are all hoi polloi.