Mass Resignation from KA
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From: hkg
No offence intended Blue Eagle
But sometimes stronger terms are required to make a point to people who don't have the benefit of having a broader more rounded experience base, yet are still prepared to wax lyrical as if they know it all.
I trust you understand
vikena
But sometimes stronger terms are required to make a point to people who don't have the benefit of having a broader more rounded experience base, yet are still prepared to wax lyrical as if they know it all.
I trust you understand
vikena
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From: Chamonix
Dear dear me, what a load of infantile ranting.
Perhaps it was one of you 2 who lost the plot the other morning when Virgin 201 called the KA A320 a "mini-bus".
Bravo to the ATC'er who simply responded "Miaow".
Enough said.....time to lay of the whiskey before you kids post!
Perhaps it was one of you 2 who lost the plot the other morning when Virgin 201 called the KA A320 a "mini-bus".
Bravo to the ATC'er who simply responded "Miaow".
Enough said.....time to lay of the whiskey before you kids post!
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Blue Eagle
If dispersal of certain people related to Aviation in HK isnt relevant to Mass Resignation then I dont know what is.
I did complement British pilots and some Ozzie ones .
And i think that comment is good taste
So post my original submission for heaven's sake
notkahouse
If dispersal of certain people related to Aviation in HK isnt relevant to Mass Resignation then I dont know what is.
I did complement British pilots and some Ozzie ones .
And i think that comment is good taste
So post my original submission for heaven's sake
notkahouse
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From: Australia
Try again notkahouse. This time keep it factual and leave out or re-word any opinion that could be construed by one group or another as abusive.
Banter and good humour are always appreciated but not thinly veiled side-swipes at other factions who post on PPRuNe too.
Banter and good humour are always appreciated but not thinly veiled side-swipes at other factions who post on PPRuNe too.
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notkahouse
Albashari88's post is not abusive to any particular other poster on this forum, just highly critical of the KA training system. It is now up to you and your colleagues to rebut his accusations if you believe them to be incorrect, just don't start hurling abuse at him, only what he says, play the argument not the player.
By all means go ahead and state how painful some pilots are to fly with, just try and keep it general so that individuals cannot be easily recognised from your post and don't get into racial issues.
By all means go ahead and state how painful some pilots are to fly with, just try and keep it general so that individuals cannot be easily recognised from your post and don't get into racial issues.
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From: Europa
Unlike some of the people posting I have been through the KA command course and find myself a little bemused by some of the comments posted here.
First of all there was plenty of training (unassesed, no grading) which inlcuded Pre-command workshops, PCE LT, CT 2, Sim LOFTS midway through the course and if you should require it one additional block of line training is guarranteed at Ct 3 or Ct 4.
Before getting to the final sim check at CT 5 I had been taken through most major system scenarios, inlcuding some personal requests.
At some point you have to produce the goods and you are checked at Ct 5/6.
There are some carriers that have a command course which appears to be a box ticking exercise and providing you are in the Chief Pilots good books you get promoted, others have a marathon course which takes 6 months to complete.
In my opinion KA have found a good balance whilst coping with rapid expansion and maintaining a high standard of operation on the line. It has always been reassuring knowing that the guy or gal sitting in the left or right seat is not released to line unless they deserve to be there!
To me it is disturbing to see this anominous character assasination of a bunch of trainers who have been working like dogs over the last couple of years helping all of us get to grips with the Airbus and in many cases promoted to captains within 2-3 years of joining the company.
I am proud to have a command with Dragonair and found the guys conducting my training to be helpful and motivated.
Many of the comments on this thread are just totally B%ll S%#T, it is time for a bit of reality!
However if you want to discuss the HKG air pollution or apparent lack of direction the company seems to have lately, well that is another story...........
First of all there was plenty of training (unassesed, no grading) which inlcuded Pre-command workshops, PCE LT, CT 2, Sim LOFTS midway through the course and if you should require it one additional block of line training is guarranteed at Ct 3 or Ct 4.
Before getting to the final sim check at CT 5 I had been taken through most major system scenarios, inlcuding some personal requests.
At some point you have to produce the goods and you are checked at Ct 5/6.
There are some carriers that have a command course which appears to be a box ticking exercise and providing you are in the Chief Pilots good books you get promoted, others have a marathon course which takes 6 months to complete.
In my opinion KA have found a good balance whilst coping with rapid expansion and maintaining a high standard of operation on the line. It has always been reassuring knowing that the guy or gal sitting in the left or right seat is not released to line unless they deserve to be there!
To me it is disturbing to see this anominous character assasination of a bunch of trainers who have been working like dogs over the last couple of years helping all of us get to grips with the Airbus and in many cases promoted to captains within 2-3 years of joining the company.
I am proud to have a command with Dragonair and found the guys conducting my training to be helpful and motivated.
Many of the comments on this thread are just totally B%ll S%#T, it is time for a bit of reality!
However if you want to discuss the HKG air pollution or apparent lack of direction the company seems to have lately, well that is another story...........
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From: York International
True, no mass resignations yet but has anyone found out what Jade Cargo are offering, they've got a full page add in Flight for -400 drivers. They are a serious outfit with 6 x new 747-400 ERFs on order, joint venture LH and Shenzen airlines. Should give TW a run for his money when he tries to recruit for ours! Experienced Captains and FOs not easy to find. Indians offering more and more money too. Our classics now 2 crews short and one command course postponed cos not enough FOs. New FOs with experience reluctant to join the classic fleet cos now no progression forecast. I hear our 330s not crewed either with flights cancelled.
If we don't make the most of the next few months to improve and defend our package then we never will!
If we don't make the most of the next few months to improve and defend our package then we never will!
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From: Japan
Hainan Airlines buys 51% of CR Airways
This week Hainan bought 51%of CR Airways so that they have access to a HK AOC and the ultimately the HK/China market. They have many new aircraft on the way and plan to base 737 NG's in HK, and plan to take on Dragonair and CX in China.
So now is the time KA management to Act! Lets use our position and go forward and expand and have some direction instead of sitting in the doldrums!
I am heading up the Peak for a beer.....the Peak Tram Driver.
So now is the time KA management to Act! Lets use our position and go forward and expand and have some direction instead of sitting in the doldrums!
I am heading up the Peak for a beer.....the Peak Tram Driver.
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From: everywhere
Expecting KA managment to be proactive in influencing the future of the airline is like a doctor expecting a constipated patient to be able to give a stool sample.
I'd love to know what specific commercial aviation mgment training those ex military fossils in KA have
The same offerings as the aforementioned patient I expect
I'd love to know what specific commercial aviation mgment training those ex military fossils in KA have
The same offerings as the aforementioned patient I expect
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From: UK
I suspect the 'ex military fossils' are too busy keeping their noses clean with respect to the chinese element of management, specifically Manager Personnel and the COO. They have seen what happens to pilots who get on the wrong side of them. 
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notkahouse
How naive can you be? 'Military fossils' there may be, but in common with most airlines, commercial planning and decisions are made by...err... the CEO and the Commercial Department !!!
Have a good one.
Neppie
How naive can you be? 'Military fossils' there may be, but in common with most airlines, commercial planning and decisions are made by...err... the CEO and the Commercial Department !!!
Have a good one.
Neppie
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From: here
To Ka Kruiser,
Once again I see another case of some who holds themselves on a pedastal because they have passed the KA command course.
Wake up. The problem is it doesnt help those that need it or it doesnt help those that have a bad day.
Its a simple job, requires judgement at times BUT does not require a physics degree.
I too have passed it. But I hate to see those that have been kicked in the guts for trying.
KK you probably just had a good day. And thats it. Just a good day. Remember where would you be if you had a bad day, or even a bad couple of minutes.
The problem I have is that once someone gets through they think the system is IT!!. Well its NOT!!
It stinks.
Once again I see another case of some who holds themselves on a pedastal because they have passed the KA command course.
Wake up. The problem is it doesnt help those that need it or it doesnt help those that have a bad day.
Its a simple job, requires judgement at times BUT does not require a physics degree.
I too have passed it. But I hate to see those that have been kicked in the guts for trying.
KK you probably just had a good day. And thats it. Just a good day. Remember where would you be if you had a bad day, or even a bad couple of minutes.
The problem I have is that once someone gets through they think the system is IT!!. Well its NOT!!
It stinks.