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Why would the company CARE about the malcontent pilots....as they clearly do not care about the company? Another 49+ to go would be a good start....makes room for others who will give their efforts to achieve success.. .CX management WILL prevail...like it or not.
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Dear 411A, Maybe if you spent your career at CX (couldn't get in old mate, pitty that) you could be calling yourself 441 and afford to fly the thing occasionaly instead of sitting on your fat ar$e contributing crap on a forum based 6000 miles plus from the hole that I doubt you crawl out of all that often. Why is the erosion of the CX package a good thing. I pushed GA heaps of **** around for to long and live to far from home to see any logic at all in your point of view. Get Stuffed.
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WELL DONE VINCE
yes well done vince and well said
These people are trying to discourage others from applying to CX. .they don't care about me one bit. .after all the hard work, just like us all have put in to get where we want to get, or where we are going in aviation.. .When i have to go to a friend's house to be feed. .bacause i have put all my money into aviation to get where i want to go.. .When these guys have had a lucrative and very attractive lifestyle not once have i had a knock at my door to come and help me. .and these are the people i am meant to luck up to
Also one must think that some people try and dissuade others so they can benifit from it themselves. .i.e. like reading pprune
many of times i have asked for help. .only for it to fall on deaf ears
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yes well done vince and well said
These people are trying to discourage others from applying to CX. .they don't care about me one bit. .after all the hard work, just like us all have put in to get where we want to get, or where we are going in aviation.. .When i have to go to a friend's house to be feed. .bacause i have put all my money into aviation to get where i want to go.. .When these guys have had a lucrative and very attractive lifestyle not once have i had a knock at my door to come and help me. .and these are the people i am meant to luck up to
Also one must think that some people try and dissuade others so they can benifit from it themselves. .i.e. like reading pprune
many of times i have asked for help. .only for it to fall on deaf ears
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CX my application will be sent shortly
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
So you think that nobody at CX put in as much time as you building hours etc. Nobody in CX worked to get here. Nobody at CX went without. You think that all of us are fat cats. You obviously think that 90+% of us are just out to lunch. I don't suppose you would consider that we were all onside, keen and happy in the past. I guess we all just woke up one morning and decided to take on CX management - just as a bit of sport to brighten up our dull lives.
Well come on in - you have no idea what you are getting yourselves into !!
But just bear in mind the figure 90+%, yes 90+% is what you will have to deal with. Oh, and don't forget your biggest problem - CX management
Looking forward to flying with you.
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So you think that nobody at CX put in as much time as you building hours etc. Nobody in CX worked to get here. Nobody at CX went without. You think that all of us are fat cats. You obviously think that 90+% of us are just out to lunch. I don't suppose you would consider that we were all onside, keen and happy in the past. I guess we all just woke up one morning and decided to take on CX management - just as a bit of sport to brighten up our dull lives.
Well come on in - you have no idea what you are getting yourselves into !!
But just bear in mind the figure 90+%, yes 90+% is what you will have to deal with. Oh, and don't forget your biggest problem - CX management
Looking forward to flying with you.
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Actually lokka, we closed on a 441 just last week....and a nice aeroplane it is too...!. .The CX guys are on the bottom rung now, and really NOTHING they can do about it.. .Tough beans.... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Yet again another idle threat from “Lovely Morning”…….
Mr. Morning…..I and many other people do not think you are “fat cats” or that you just woke up with a big gripe ……We’ve all done the hard yards as I’m sure you well know.
My point is – Take it out against the management in what ever way you feel fit BUT DON’T expect other pilots not to take a “second officer position” …….as a second officer you don’t even get a seniorority number until you’ve made your upgrade…..
Employed As a second officer you are coming in BEHIND everyone and there for not a scab because we haven’t taken anyone’s job we are being recruited because of aircraft acquisition and expansion. Direct entry FO’s or Captains positions replacing the 49’ers would be another story.
Prior to Sep 11 Cathay wanted to DOUBLE its fleet size – meaning there was / will be jobs galore for the right candidate, even for the 49’ers.
So make waves or take action to help get your friends jobs back ASAP – but you cant tell me to turn my back on my dreams.
Sooner or later the whole thing will have to come to an end and I hope for some of the genuine guys they get their jobs back and get flying again.
You can still take action against the company in many various ways – enough peoples lives have already been ruined by this whole event – PLEASE DON’T TRY AND RUIN ANYONE ELSES……
VINCE
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Yet again another idle threat from “Lovely Morning”…….
Mr. Morning…..I and many other people do not think you are “fat cats” or that you just woke up with a big gripe ……We’ve all done the hard yards as I’m sure you well know.
My point is – Take it out against the management in what ever way you feel fit BUT DON’T expect other pilots not to take a “second officer position” …….as a second officer you don’t even get a seniorority number until you’ve made your upgrade…..
Employed As a second officer you are coming in BEHIND everyone and there for not a scab because we haven’t taken anyone’s job we are being recruited because of aircraft acquisition and expansion. Direct entry FO’s or Captains positions replacing the 49’ers would be another story.
Prior to Sep 11 Cathay wanted to DOUBLE its fleet size – meaning there was / will be jobs galore for the right candidate, even for the 49’ers.
So make waves or take action to help get your friends jobs back ASAP – but you cant tell me to turn my back on my dreams.
Sooner or later the whole thing will have to come to an end and I hope for some of the genuine guys they get their jobs back and get flying again.
You can still take action against the company in many various ways – enough peoples lives have already been ruined by this whole event – PLEASE DON’T TRY AND RUIN ANYONE ELSES……
VINCE
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Congratulations Lovely Morning, you have proven yourself to be highly unprofessional.. .In “looking forward to flying with Mr Brown” what exactly do hope to do once that chance arises, assuming you don’t get the bullet before then, which for the sake of the rest of us might not be a bad thing.
90%+ you say, don’t know where you get your figures from but they are completely inacurate. Considering recent resignations from the AOA and that most of the membership couldn’t really give a rats arse where or when a pilot arrived as long as they do a good job (its called being a professional).
Kindly keep your threats and “childish playground replies” to yourself; you make a mockery of Cathay pilots.
90%+ you say, don’t know where you get your figures from but they are completely inacurate. Considering recent resignations from the AOA and that most of the membership couldn’t really give a rats arse where or when a pilot arrived as long as they do a good job (its called being a professional).
Kindly keep your threats and “childish playground replies” to yourself; you make a mockery of Cathay pilots.
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I listen to all the whining and bitching with great wonder.I wonder if some of you forgot, that all you ever wanted to do was fly, anything that could fly. You guys seemed to be so involved about the politics that you seem to forget that somewhere out there,there is a young pilot that will live in his car to in order to fly. He will live on airline food day in and day out to fly. He is hungry, he will fly double the duty for half the fortune that you fly for. Remember no one forces you to fly for for CX you are always welcome to resign and try your luck somewhere else and make place for some poor bastard who really wants the job. Well said Mike Brown.
Ah yes...but then suddenly he'll be 45 with a wife and kids and looking for a little return on all those 'wonder years'.....22 years service and sacked for 'no particular reason'.....how would YOU like that?
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I'm not making any statement regarding the hiring ban. The following quote from a previous post nicely illustrates the root of some of our problems in this profession. Basically we love this job, and will compromise ourselves in ways others wouldn't to do it.
. ."You guys seemed to be so involved about the politics that you seem to forget that somewhere out there,there is a young pilot that will live in his car to in order to fly. He will live on airline food day in and day out to fly. He is hungry, he will fly double the duty for half the fortune that you fly for"
. .Realistically, therefore, the hiring ban will only be partially successful. Some will ignore it for various reasons and some will abide by it. Complete cooperation is impossible.
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. ."You guys seemed to be so involved about the politics that you seem to forget that somewhere out there,there is a young pilot that will live in his car to in order to fly. He will live on airline food day in and day out to fly. He is hungry, he will fly double the duty for half the fortune that you fly for"
. .Realistically, therefore, the hiring ban will only be partially successful. Some will ignore it for various reasons and some will abide by it. Complete cooperation is impossible.
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James,
Cathay is currently in a hiring freeze as I'm sure your aware of. They are hopeful that the economy will rebound this summer and hiring will once again commence. I suggest you submit your resume/cover letter and give updates every 2-3 months until you get a reply/application. You must be patient as it is very difficult to determine the future state of the economy.
Cathay itself is a good place to work and I consider it the "best contract job available". In comparison to other Asian or Middle East airlines it is far superior in salary, benefits and job security. Unfortunately, a small percentage of pilots believe it should be run like a North American airline with high salaries, great schedules and a strong union to support any and all pilot actions. Sounds great but it wouldn't work IMHO as the cultural environment would not allow it and a militant union would have a devastating affect on the future of the airline. Look at the trouble many North American airlines are in. United, American, Air Canada, they are suffering at the expense of harsh union contracts. Would you rather have a great salary for a short time or a good one for a long time?
For Blunderbus, "22 years service and sacked for 'no particular reason'" you don't really believe that do you? Never called in sick because you didn't want to fly? or make a decision to take action which will only hurt the company? I can't say all 49rs did but I understand many did. Some people have become so bitter that the only option is for them to go as well. Unfortunately they will not resign so they must get fired. Do you think this conduct would draw any other reaction at airlines like Emirates, China Airlines, Eva, Korean etc, etc?
I expect a couple of harsh reply's from some of these bitter people but the truth is most people enjoy it at Cathay. Yes we have problems but who doesn't! I say the best way to work them out is to talk not fight.
IMHO CPDUDE
Cathay is currently in a hiring freeze as I'm sure your aware of. They are hopeful that the economy will rebound this summer and hiring will once again commence. I suggest you submit your resume/cover letter and give updates every 2-3 months until you get a reply/application. You must be patient as it is very difficult to determine the future state of the economy.
Cathay itself is a good place to work and I consider it the "best contract job available". In comparison to other Asian or Middle East airlines it is far superior in salary, benefits and job security. Unfortunately, a small percentage of pilots believe it should be run like a North American airline with high salaries, great schedules and a strong union to support any and all pilot actions. Sounds great but it wouldn't work IMHO as the cultural environment would not allow it and a militant union would have a devastating affect on the future of the airline. Look at the trouble many North American airlines are in. United, American, Air Canada, they are suffering at the expense of harsh union contracts. Would you rather have a great salary for a short time or a good one for a long time?
For Blunderbus, "22 years service and sacked for 'no particular reason'" you don't really believe that do you? Never called in sick because you didn't want to fly? or make a decision to take action which will only hurt the company? I can't say all 49rs did but I understand many did. Some people have become so bitter that the only option is for them to go as well. Unfortunately they will not resign so they must get fired. Do you think this conduct would draw any other reaction at airlines like Emirates, China Airlines, Eva, Korean etc, etc?
I expect a couple of harsh reply's from some of these bitter people but the truth is most people enjoy it at Cathay. Yes we have problems but who doesn't! I say the best way to work them out is to talk not fight.
IMHO CPDUDE
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Spot on there cpdude ... very well summed up.
If a ban is needed to stop the replacement of the 49ers, then it should be a ban on upgrades. How many 49ers were S/Os ?
But the upgrades are happening (already happenned?)? How many 49ers were S/Os? So how many 49er replacements has the ban prevented?
Mega hypocrisy if you ask me (which some people won't)
So, allow upgrades, but ban S/O recruitment. What does that achieve in a time when CX is heavily overcrewed?
Same as the AOA always achieves ... sweet F A.
If a ban is needed to stop the replacement of the 49ers, then it should be a ban on upgrades. How many 49ers were S/Os ?
But the upgrades are happening (already happenned?)? How many 49ers were S/Os? So how many 49er replacements has the ban prevented?
Mega hypocrisy if you ask me (which some people won't)
So, allow upgrades, but ban S/O recruitment. What does that achieve in a time when CX is heavily overcrewed?
Same as the AOA always achieves ... sweet F A.
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Obscurum per obscurius - jumping to many conclusions aren't you.
Many have joined with stars in their eyes with thoughts like fat cats, won't worry me etc. Then reality starts to bite.
Trying to get kids into school, arriving at dispatch to do a Taipei return (1.5 hours each way) to be told that you are going to LAX(14-15 hours flight). When you complain you are told, sorry I know the temperature here is 25C and in LAX it is 6C in rain, but haven't you read the new Vol 1 amendment (take clothes for every condition and for several days - takes care of the complaints received the last time). You could try looking for commonsense when you say, but that will mean that I'll have had no sleep for 30 or more hours when I land at LAX - you will be told it's legal. Then the killer blow, Oh, and did we mention you'll be coming straight back as a passenger on the same aircraft.
I could go on and on, but the new guys will find out for themselves. Then many of them, will be sitting in the cockpit bitching with the same aggression as everybody before them. Yes, in a childish sort of a way, I am looking forward to flying with them. I want to say, well you were told !
To the real pilots looking for a job who post in this forum, be careful as management are here in numbers.
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Many have joined with stars in their eyes with thoughts like fat cats, won't worry me etc. Then reality starts to bite.
Trying to get kids into school, arriving at dispatch to do a Taipei return (1.5 hours each way) to be told that you are going to LAX(14-15 hours flight). When you complain you are told, sorry I know the temperature here is 25C and in LAX it is 6C in rain, but haven't you read the new Vol 1 amendment (take clothes for every condition and for several days - takes care of the complaints received the last time). You could try looking for commonsense when you say, but that will mean that I'll have had no sleep for 30 or more hours when I land at LAX - you will be told it's legal. Then the killer blow, Oh, and did we mention you'll be coming straight back as a passenger on the same aircraft.
I could go on and on, but the new guys will find out for themselves. Then many of them, will be sitting in the cockpit bitching with the same aggression as everybody before them. Yes, in a childish sort of a way, I am looking forward to flying with them. I want to say, well you were told !
To the real pilots looking for a job who post in this forum, be careful as management are here in numbers.
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Lovely Morning,
I am not management nor do I condone some of their actions they have taken but I do resent the constant complaining I hear from several pilots. Get a life! Find something positive to talk about or don't talk at all.
Your one of PX travel LAX/HKG was probably First Class, which is not hard to take. I Base Traveled 45 1/2 hours last month and will travel 52 1/2 this month. This is not commuting but company rostered base travelling. I have 82 credit hours this month and like I said 52 1/2 (PX/PT). If we received the 1:1 base travel credit I would have over 108 hours this month.
I don't complain although I admit it's tough not to. If I did fall into the complaining trap I could easily become depressed and miserable as many of you have. Again, it's not easy but necessary for a happy life. If you can't handle it go home. Maybe an Expat job is not for you. I can assure you that this job is much easier than my last Expat job.
I’m not trying to cause controversy here I just wish people would grow up and be constructive rather than destructive.
frankg, if the new hires are scabs than the large number of pilots accepting upgrades are as well. You throw around the "scab" term every time you transfer the blame for your own inadequacies. You must be very young and have never seen a real picket line.
IMHO CPDUDE
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I am not management nor do I condone some of their actions they have taken but I do resent the constant complaining I hear from several pilots. Get a life! Find something positive to talk about or don't talk at all.
Your one of PX travel LAX/HKG was probably First Class, which is not hard to take. I Base Traveled 45 1/2 hours last month and will travel 52 1/2 this month. This is not commuting but company rostered base travelling. I have 82 credit hours this month and like I said 52 1/2 (PX/PT). If we received the 1:1 base travel credit I would have over 108 hours this month.
I don't complain although I admit it's tough not to. If I did fall into the complaining trap I could easily become depressed and miserable as many of you have. Again, it's not easy but necessary for a happy life. If you can't handle it go home. Maybe an Expat job is not for you. I can assure you that this job is much easier than my last Expat job.
I’m not trying to cause controversy here I just wish people would grow up and be constructive rather than destructive.
frankg, if the new hires are scabs than the large number of pilots accepting upgrades are as well. You throw around the "scab" term every time you transfer the blame for your own inadequacies. You must be very young and have never seen a real picket line.
IMHO CPDUDE
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"dude", I guess mediocrity is acceptable judging by your earlier comments. There is NOTHING WRONG in aspiring to a better, more efficient and less punitive roster. Although spoken in a somewhat different context, I cannot help but recall how Edmund Burke once said "All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
Our mangers (sic) NEED line crew feedback if anything is to be done to improve all our lot (PAX and frt). I would rather have a long career for a good salary, etc., but your flying about 50 hours without credit is not only immoral on their part, it's also stupid on yours. It's NOT ACCEPTABLE.
If you have been around as long as you profess, then you would know that this is not industry standard practice, but way, way below. It's not supposed to be the equivalent of a sweatshop. We are all well paid professionals who deserve better. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
Our mangers (sic) NEED line crew feedback if anything is to be done to improve all our lot (PAX and frt). I would rather have a long career for a good salary, etc., but your flying about 50 hours without credit is not only immoral on their part, it's also stupid on yours. It's NOT ACCEPTABLE.
If you have been around as long as you profess, then you would know that this is not industry standard practice, but way, way below. It's not supposed to be the equivalent of a sweatshop. We are all well paid professionals who deserve better. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
