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To Cathay Pilots
To all Cathay Pilots,
Your own in house forum is being beta tested at present. It will be ready for your use very soon. You will be notified by email when the site is ready for traffic.
It is requested that you be patient during this time.
It is also respectfully requested that you desist from becoming emotionally involved in topics on this forum for very obvious reasons.
Regards,
ISC
Your own in house forum is being beta tested at present. It will be ready for your use very soon. You will be notified by email when the site is ready for traffic.
It is requested that you be patient during this time.
It is also respectfully requested that you desist from becoming emotionally involved in topics on this forum for very obvious reasons.
Regards,
ISC
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Gentlemen:
Obviously the management is under pressure. They are on fishing expeditions to see if they can catch any information that they can use. They will resort to every dirty, lowdown trick in the book. Expect It!
Also, the press is hungry. This is probably the biggest story in Hong Kong since the Asian Financial Crisis and the 1.5 million Mainland Chinese looking for the "Right to Abode".
I am sure the Union's website will be up and running soon. The boys are a bit busy. We can all help, by volunteering to help the Union with such tasks. So call the Union.
In the meantime, try is refrain from using this site. We are united now, so they will be looking for ways to get that sword between us.
Let's play it smart.
Regards
Bengi 25
Obviously the management is under pressure. They are on fishing expeditions to see if they can catch any information that they can use. They will resort to every dirty, lowdown trick in the book. Expect It!
Also, the press is hungry. This is probably the biggest story in Hong Kong since the Asian Financial Crisis and the 1.5 million Mainland Chinese looking for the "Right to Abode".
I am sure the Union's website will be up and running soon. The boys are a bit busy. We can all help, by volunteering to help the Union with such tasks. So call the Union.
In the meantime, try is refrain from using this site. We are united now, so they will be looking for ways to get that sword between us.
Let's play it smart.
Regards
Bengi 25
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411A, That really is a contemptible commemt. The 'Local' guys as you so insultingly call them have been members of the AOA (and committee members) since they joined. I've tried to treat you with a certain amount of courtesy but its obviously wasted. Just tell us the name of your airline , if you dare, so that we all (from all the pilot groups you've insulted), can see what the worlds greatest pilot and manager has achieved!!
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BusyB---
"Contemptable comment" you say? Well, I have known CX guys from more than twenty years ago and they considered CX to be ONLY for the privileged few.. May not be so now, but sure has been for a very long time, and in the past. If not so now, well it's about time.
Have to say tho that your management is incredibly shortsighted. It would seem that your rostering problems could be fixed with minimal effort. 'Tis a shame that that they are so confrontational, but I guess that's the name of the game these days.
I certainly hope to avoid these problems with our own small organisation.
IF your group plays its cards right, you just might prevail.
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"Contemptable comment" you say? Well, I have known CX guys from more than twenty years ago and they considered CX to be ONLY for the privileged few.. May not be so now, but sure has been for a very long time, and in the past. If not so now, well it's about time.
Have to say tho that your management is incredibly shortsighted. It would seem that your rostering problems could be fixed with minimal effort. 'Tis a shame that that they are so confrontational, but I guess that's the name of the game these days.
I certainly hope to avoid these problems with our own small organisation.
IF your group plays its cards right, you just might prevail.
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Doesn't make any difference to the standard of your comment, you're really plumbing the depths now 411A. If you're so great what have you got to hide? I think you've shown your true colours now and its not a pretty sight. Your comments on every forum have shown not just your inflated ego, but a supreme lack of interest in facts and truths. I feel really sorry for your staff, its no wonder you won't tell us who you work for. I'm afraid SOG really does cover you to a T.
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Actually BusyB, I probably "know the facts" much better than you could imagine. I have been in the airline industry a very long time. As for Cathay, well it's probably better if you did have you own forum, that way the dirty laundry would not be for all to see.
Folks who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Folks who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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411A: I think an apology is probably well in order - that was really off the mark. I doubt whether you know any of the Asian pilots in CX - I do - and I think they would agree you're off base here.
You flew for SV; now that was an epitomy of smooth flight, wasn't it? No problems there, eh? Now you fly for some wannabe outfit in the desert; I can't help thinking your continual jabs at other carriers is motivated by a good bit of jealousy at the career stability you never had. The CX pilots are trying to get the ship back in level flight - you can't seem to appreciate that.
Even if you represent management, your above comments were so out of place that I doubt anyone in CX management would agree with you.
You flew for SV; now that was an epitomy of smooth flight, wasn't it? No problems there, eh? Now you fly for some wannabe outfit in the desert; I can't help thinking your continual jabs at other carriers is motivated by a good bit of jealousy at the career stability you never had. The CX pilots are trying to get the ship back in level flight - you can't seem to appreciate that.
Even if you represent management, your above comments were so out of place that I doubt anyone in CX management would agree with you.
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RRAAMJET--
Apology, from me? Think not. I will give you an example of the kind of pilots/management
you have had in the past. Distant past, but still the past.
A certain British Captain (and fleet manager) upon his retirement from CX, joined SQ as a B707 Line Captain. He signed a two year contract, same as the rest of us. I ran into him in dispatch one day and he mentioned that if this was Cathay, there would not be any local guys in the right seat because...."they are not worth a damn". I then asked him if any local guys had ever been considered for a pilot position with CX, and his answer was ..."positivly not".
Remember, this was 1979, so the attitudes at CX may well have changed.
This particular Captain was so disliked by the local F/O's on the 707 fleet, that many called in sick when rostered with him.
If I mentioned his name (and I will not because it is not permitted on the forum) you would know of him instantly, provided you have been with CX for quite some time.
If the prospects for the local guys at CX have changed, good. 'Tis a shame it was not done a long time ago. If it had been, you may well have a lot more support for your planned industrial action.
BusyB--
As our company is still under formation, any details would be premature. However, we intend to treat our flightdeck personnel with the highest of respect and pay them quite well. I have learned long ago that to do otherwise is foolhardy indeed.
Apology, from me? Think not. I will give you an example of the kind of pilots/management
you have had in the past. Distant past, but still the past.
A certain British Captain (and fleet manager) upon his retirement from CX, joined SQ as a B707 Line Captain. He signed a two year contract, same as the rest of us. I ran into him in dispatch one day and he mentioned that if this was Cathay, there would not be any local guys in the right seat because...."they are not worth a damn". I then asked him if any local guys had ever been considered for a pilot position with CX, and his answer was ..."positivly not".
Remember, this was 1979, so the attitudes at CX may well have changed.
This particular Captain was so disliked by the local F/O's on the 707 fleet, that many called in sick when rostered with him.
If I mentioned his name (and I will not because it is not permitted on the forum) you would know of him instantly, provided you have been with CX for quite some time.
If the prospects for the local guys at CX have changed, good. 'Tis a shame it was not done a long time ago. If it had been, you may well have a lot more support for your planned industrial action.
BusyB--
As our company is still under formation, any details would be premature. However, we intend to treat our flightdeck personnel with the highest of respect and pay them quite well. I have learned long ago that to do otherwise is foolhardy indeed.
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You poor, poor little man. Anyone can find SOMEONE to support their narrow-minded ideas if they just search hard enough and are conveniently selective. Your pompous little "proof" of some attitude at CX is supported by: a.an unverified account of an un-named individual b. from over 20 years ago c. that is one individual amongst hundreds if not thousands.
Gee, seems pretty conclusive to me! Wake up and join the year 2001. You're an embarassing anachronism.
Gee, seems pretty conclusive to me! Wake up and join the year 2001. You're an embarassing anachronism.
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Surely CX management will be able to get a copy of some'ID' and will therefore have acess to the forum!
So, it is a waste of time as far as I can see now. What you really need is an Internet site where actual pilots are given the password by post or something unrelated to CX. That way you can guarantee privacy unless someone lets slip as it were.
So, it is a waste of time as far as I can see now. What you really need is an Internet site where actual pilots are given the password by post or something unrelated to CX. That way you can guarantee privacy unless someone lets slip as it were.
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Well then PeterZee, I have one little question. Exactly how many local pilots were employed by Cathay Pacific Airways in say 1979? 'Tis a fair question, considering that CX had been in existance for a long time. Other long time CX crew (now retired)have told me many times; exactly ZERO.
On the other hand, at SIA, quite a few. In fact, a rather large number.
Of course you do not owe me an explanation, but I find where folks are so defensive, where there's smoke, fire cannot be far behind.
On the other hand, at SIA, quite a few. In fact, a rather large number.
Of course you do not owe me an explanation, but I find where folks are so defensive, where there's smoke, fire cannot be far behind.
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411,
Currently, about 10% of Cathay’s pilot force are local employees. Do you know how many applications from SUITABLY QUALIFIED local applicants CX receives? Me neither, but I bet it is a lot less than 10%. So why is it that CX employs a DIS-PROPORTIONALLY LARGE number of local pilots?
please refer
http://www.thebird.org/assholes/
Currently, about 10% of Cathay’s pilot force are local employees. Do you know how many applications from SUITABLY QUALIFIED local applicants CX receives? Me neither, but I bet it is a lot less than 10%. So why is it that CX employs a DIS-PROPORTIONALLY LARGE number of local pilots?
please refer
http://www.thebird.org/assholes/
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jtr---
And SIA has about 70% local guys. Clearly, the training and advancement of these pilots in SIA was a priority. Apparently not so in Cathay. Some of course would say..."because there were no suitable applicants", or...."we must maintain our standards"...and the list goes on. Like I said before, IF you had more local guys as pilots, your planned action undoubtedly would have more local support. As it is now, the planned action will only label the pilots as greedy, self-centered interloping individuals.
And for this, you can blame you past management. They did you NO favors.
And SIA has about 70% local guys. Clearly, the training and advancement of these pilots in SIA was a priority. Apparently not so in Cathay. Some of course would say..."because there were no suitable applicants", or...."we must maintain our standards"...and the list goes on. Like I said before, IF you had more local guys as pilots, your planned action undoubtedly would have more local support. As it is now, the planned action will only label the pilots as greedy, self-centered interloping individuals.
And for this, you can blame you past management. They did you NO favors.