CX FO based in KUL
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What scares you guyz is cheap pilots from KUL will replace you.
If I was CX management I would do it.
Keep my cost low.
This is the age of globalisation and pilots are now a global comodity.
Just like fuel prices there is supply and demand here.
Makan Ikan kering
If I was CX management I would do it.
Keep my cost low.
This is the age of globalisation and pilots are now a global comodity.
Just like fuel prices there is supply and demand here.
Makan Ikan kering
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Ikan....
Should you join this company, you had better hope no one finds out who you really are. Next thing you'll tell us is that you would cross a picket line. We don't need or want the likes of you in this airline or any other for that matter. P*ss-off!!
Should you join this company, you had better hope no one finds out who you really are. Next thing you'll tell us is that you would cross a picket line. We don't need or want the likes of you in this airline or any other for that matter. P*ss-off!!
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Seems to me that precisely what the company wants is happening - the boys are fighting amongst themselves!
You guys are not doing us any favours with this sort of rhetoric. You are merely demonstrating a woeful lack of maturity in dealing with an emotive issue. Don't rise to the bait.
You guys are not doing us any favours with this sort of rhetoric. You are merely demonstrating a woeful lack of maturity in dealing with an emotive issue. Don't rise to the bait.
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To All aspiring KUL based F/Os, all the very best to you. At least you will be at "home" more days than those who objected to the idea. You will still be able to go to the nearest waterfall, scuba diving in Tioman or just trekking up in Frasers Hill. Get to see your green garden as compared to the next concrete block across the harbour with the free smell and guess what ? Only 3:45 to home. Sometimes , its not all about money. B-scaler came, ASL came,....yet nothing happens. Some left the pride in this third world outfit and swallow part of it to go back to Virgin Blue, and Impulse. If you guys are gonna be employed at a higher salary than those already in the harbour ( I know its just a dream, well...lets say ! ), Will there be any objections ? Loved to see an answer to this....
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>>KUL 744F salary of US$43,200 and the year 1 Syd Freighter salary of US$44,200.<<
I don’t get it. The difference in salary between the KUL and SYD year 1 freighter F/O is only US$ 1000. What’s all that big fuss about? Nick, go ahead and give an extra US$ 1000 to the KUL guys.
I don’t get it. The difference in salary between the KUL and SYD year 1 freighter F/O is only US$ 1000. What’s all that big fuss about? Nick, go ahead and give an extra US$ 1000 to the KUL guys.
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indeepsht....
As your name suggest you are talking !!!!!.
You dont own the airline CX. U only work there.Just like I when I join CX. U can try to "fix" me but I think you are full of bull!!!!.Please do not scare honest looking for jobs in CX
Makan ikan kering
As your name suggest you are talking !!!!!.
You dont own the airline CX. U only work there.Just like I when I join CX. U can try to "fix" me but I think you are full of bull!!!!.Please do not scare honest looking for jobs in CX
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ikan....
Did I say don't join? I believe that I said "Join at your peril/ discretion!" I also said that I thought that it would be a "serious mistake!" to join on those conditions.
Now it seems that you know best anyways so don't bother listening to me or any others on this forum!
Do as you please! Just don't let me here you whinging in a few years about doing the same job as the rest of us for so much less!
What do we know anyways?
Did I say don't join? I believe that I said "Join at your peril/ discretion!" I also said that I thought that it would be a "serious mistake!" to join on those conditions.
Now it seems that you know best anyways so don't bother listening to me or any others on this forum!
Do as you please! Just don't let me here you whinging in a few years about doing the same job as the rest of us for so much less!
What do we know anyways?
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This is a pure case of race, whites and monopoly. CX never use to take asians before and now when management is doing something to take asians the truth comes out. You CX pilots was behind it all along. Even if we applied last time it was always KIV and forgotten. Hello, mates, u dinasours will end up just like Qantas when they sack all their pilots which were on strike. The problems now is yr CX pilots own doing. Its blowing in yr own faces, mateee. Asian Airlines take u with open arms and all the while this is how u thank yr fellow man/woman. To the Asian Airlines this is how it is now u will know better. 'Fly Cathay Pacific, the heart of Asia' slogan is a lot of white crap! Beware in flying CX now their pilots are not in the sound of mind.
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This is a post copied from the other thread on this subject. Thought you should see it residual volts et al.
You are quite wrong, CX does now employ pilots from a very large number of countries. Our pilots have many different ethnic backgrounds including Asian.
The objection to this new move by our management is only that it does not comply with previous agreements they have made with the HKAOA. Colour, race, sex or anything else has absolutely nothing to do with it. The very fact that many of the prospective applicants from KUL seem to be stirring up a racial pot may be evidence enough that the company is looking in the wrong place for it's future aircrew. We do not want anyone in our ranks who bears a chip on their shoulder about race. We do not have a problem with our race relations and we certainly do not want to see one developing in the future.
You are quite wrong, CX does now employ pilots from a very large number of countries. Our pilots have many different ethnic backgrounds including Asian.
The objection to this new move by our management is only that it does not comply with previous agreements they have made with the HKAOA. Colour, race, sex or anything else has absolutely nothing to do with it. The very fact that many of the prospective applicants from KUL seem to be stirring up a racial pot may be evidence enough that the company is looking in the wrong place for it's future aircrew. We do not want anyone in our ranks who bears a chip on their shoulder about race. We do not have a problem with our race relations and we certainly do not want to see one developing in the future.
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residualvolts sounds like Turdbill after a few ales me thinks! 
When are you people going to understand this is NOT a racial issue for the PILOTS. If Cathay Pacific Airways are prepared to pay pre 94 salaries they can set up an office on Mars if they so wish.
By recruiting pilots from Malaysia at salaries way below anyone else in the airline the OWNERS and MANAGEMENT of Cathay Pacific Airways are saying that Malaysian pilots are not worth as much as say a HongKonger/Brit/Canuck/Yank etc...( sorry I missed a few I know!). Now, do you really want to start employment with an airline that holds you in such low esteem, because believe me once you are into this crappy airline, it only gets worse.
Please think long and hard about coming to this rapidly deteriorating airline.
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When are you people going to understand this is NOT a racial issue for the PILOTS. If Cathay Pacific Airways are prepared to pay pre 94 salaries they can set up an office on Mars if they so wish.
By recruiting pilots from Malaysia at salaries way below anyone else in the airline the OWNERS and MANAGEMENT of Cathay Pacific Airways are saying that Malaysian pilots are not worth as much as say a HongKonger/Brit/Canuck/Yank etc...( sorry I missed a few I know!). Now, do you really want to start employment with an airline that holds you in such low esteem, because believe me once you are into this crappy airline, it only gets worse.
Please think long and hard about coming to this rapidly deteriorating airline.
[This message has been edited by Herb (edited 22 April 2001).]
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Point taken Herb.I sincerely believe that HKAOA is interested in the benefit of ALL pilots worldwide.
CX is an airline with a colonial history.By design then, they are of course interested in their own pockets.But that is HISTORY.
However I do believe, the pendulum has swung too far on the other side.By comparing the oz based crew with us from the postings here, the locals are paid USD1000.00 less!Which means in no uncertain terms that we're capable but are being paid RM3800.00 less!This now looks like RACIAL DISCRIMINATION (by the CX management)& not market forces as they righteously claimed.
My only recommendation is to spit on their face.But alas......it's big money for those not type rated here.I will now say good luck to my brethrens here for choosing this very blurred path in their flying career.
As for me.....you all know where I stand now.
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CX is an airline with a colonial history.By design then, they are of course interested in their own pockets.But that is HISTORY.
However I do believe, the pendulum has swung too far on the other side.By comparing the oz based crew with us from the postings here, the locals are paid USD1000.00 less!Which means in no uncertain terms that we're capable but are being paid RM3800.00 less!This now looks like RACIAL DISCRIMINATION (by the CX management)& not market forces as they righteously claimed.
My only recommendation is to spit on their face.But alas......it's big money for those not type rated here.I will now say good luck to my brethrens here for choosing this very blurred path in their flying career.
As for me.....you all know where I stand now.
PILOST
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To Residualvolts and all the other racists out there
Residual it sounds like your volts and Frequency are not synchronised , either that or they gave. you too many volts during your rehab.Your arguments are flawed and clearly based on a racial chip that you carry around with you. All I can say is that at least you are balanced, you have a chip in both shoulders.
I am so sick and tired of hearing about the issue of race, something that is non existent amongst all our aircrew. We all get along together, there is no disharmony on the flight deck.
I will admit, that I get on better with some people than others, but that applies to all of the pilots who I work with. It is an issue of personalities not race.
The reason that we have only started taking Chinese pilots recently is one of economics. There were no Chinese pilots with licences in Hong Kong, and there fore it was expedient to recruit foreign Pilots who were already trained( The usual requirements were Previous Command on heavy Jets and at least 5000 hours Plus) Times have changed !!! so have the requirements. But the underlying issue is that we do not have race problems within the airline. I never even think about it nor have I for many years.
But let me say this I do not want people like you with these attitudes on the flight deck. You are a safety issue , one that we do not want or need.
If you should join, keep your opinions to yourself or you will find life very tough here.
Just in case you are slow to comprehend the issues here. You will be used by the company at a future date to attack our present conditions of employment. That is the sole reason for anyone objecting to the Malaysian Base. Join mainline at the bottom like all the other pilots and you will be most welcome. Join to undermine my position and you have no idea of the animosity that you will receive.
Just a little history for you We did nothing about B scales and it cost us, we did nothing about ASL and it cost us. Well we are slow learners ! But determined not to let another set of conditions be introduced without a fight. That is the only reason for the reception that you are experiencing . Think very long and hard about what you are coming to. Do the right thing and apply to mainline, where we will welcome you with open arms
Residual it sounds like your volts and Frequency are not synchronised , either that or they gave. you too many volts during your rehab.Your arguments are flawed and clearly based on a racial chip that you carry around with you. All I can say is that at least you are balanced, you have a chip in both shoulders.
I am so sick and tired of hearing about the issue of race, something that is non existent amongst all our aircrew. We all get along together, there is no disharmony on the flight deck.
I will admit, that I get on better with some people than others, but that applies to all of the pilots who I work with. It is an issue of personalities not race.
The reason that we have only started taking Chinese pilots recently is one of economics. There were no Chinese pilots with licences in Hong Kong, and there fore it was expedient to recruit foreign Pilots who were already trained( The usual requirements were Previous Command on heavy Jets and at least 5000 hours Plus) Times have changed !!! so have the requirements. But the underlying issue is that we do not have race problems within the airline. I never even think about it nor have I for many years.
But let me say this I do not want people like you with these attitudes on the flight deck. You are a safety issue , one that we do not want or need.
If you should join, keep your opinions to yourself or you will find life very tough here.
Just in case you are slow to comprehend the issues here. You will be used by the company at a future date to attack our present conditions of employment. That is the sole reason for anyone objecting to the Malaysian Base. Join mainline at the bottom like all the other pilots and you will be most welcome. Join to undermine my position and you have no idea of the animosity that you will receive.
Just a little history for you We did nothing about B scales and it cost us, we did nothing about ASL and it cost us. Well we are slow learners ! But determined not to let another set of conditions be introduced without a fight. That is the only reason for the reception that you are experiencing . Think very long and hard about what you are coming to. Do the right thing and apply to mainline, where we will welcome you with open arms
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Pilost,
I think you are referring to my posts comparing Oz Freighter Pay to the proposed pay scale for KUL and conclude that this is "racial discrimination". I believe your conclusion is incorrect as the pay for each base is "supposed" to reflect the market conditions of the base. You are at liberty to apply for Freighter bases in FRA, MAN and ANC and your pay shall be determined by base and not your racial origin. Should you join CX and come to HKG, your pay will be determined by the Conditions of Service prevailing at the time and not your race; it will be same pay as a UK/US/Martian pilot who joined on the same date as you. Be in no doubt, CX is keen to take advantage of any racial group; they are not prejudiced.
Apologies to Buttmunch for trying to introduce some substance, but Mole you again say the KUL base "does not comply with previous agreements". I again ask, to which agreements do you refer?
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I think you are referring to my posts comparing Oz Freighter Pay to the proposed pay scale for KUL and conclude that this is "racial discrimination". I believe your conclusion is incorrect as the pay for each base is "supposed" to reflect the market conditions of the base. You are at liberty to apply for Freighter bases in FRA, MAN and ANC and your pay shall be determined by base and not your racial origin. Should you join CX and come to HKG, your pay will be determined by the Conditions of Service prevailing at the time and not your race; it will be same pay as a UK/US/Martian pilot who joined on the same date as you. Be in no doubt, CX is keen to take advantage of any racial group; they are not prejudiced.
Apologies to Buttmunch for trying to introduce some substance, but Mole you again say the KUL base "does not comply with previous agreements". I again ask, to which agreements do you refer?
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