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CL300

24th November 2006, 05:53

Is there someone who could help me in my prep for NJ interview. Can someone tell me more auboutthe english written test. What kind of questions, grammar? vocabulary?text comprehesion?
thank's in advance

I have had a lot of pm regarding my answer to this post earlier on. the pm does not address the English test.
However, the english is exactly as described above, grammar, comprehension, vocabulary. Tests are changing all the time, so ....
For the technical part, the phone interview is brushing up on everything in Jar-Ops, then the technical written is just putting this on paper. V1, 2nd segment, BFL , fuel requirement, etc.. Just review the day to day knowledge, and a little bit more. there is plenty of explanation by Mike Jenvey all over pprune, and the essence of the interview has not change. But please, read a little about the company, aircraft, etc...do not come thinking you are going to fly a Legacy or what's it Airbus...:rolleyes:

winkle

24th November 2006, 20:34

So please tell me what happens if you decide you are not going to repay the training bond and you dont want a refrence or indeed ever want to fly again becuase you have realised you have just had enough of the whole aviation thing and what a b*ll5h1t way of life it really is. it used to be the job of dreams now i (and many others) see it as the job of nightmare and i dont see why i should repay anyone for fooling me into thinking i was entering a hallowed profession. and this training bond business is yet more garbage that is heaped upon us. if ALL the airlines realised that if they just offered a fair deal to their work force you would have loyalty for life. even my own company has this "training bond" and this had one of the best reputations in uk, what have we stooped to. its only in the recent months that i have realised - possibly naively - how undervalued we as pilots are and for that reason i am now looking to leave altogether and take up a more rewarding career. how will i deal with my training bond - well i suppose a nice letter might be a good start. adding the word "training" doesnt diguise the fact that it is feudal and as close to slavery as anything we can perceive in our "modern world". i welcome anyones thoughts on this. :)

CL300

25th November 2006, 05:08

winkle

25th November 2006, 13:41

thanks for the reply. it is dodgy ground that we are on but i think better to come clean. i know for a fact a chap who left nj without repaying anything as he just up fronted and told cm that he wasnt happy. the view then was better to let the chap/chappess leave without fuss rather than upsetting the upmarket pax. i can also see this in most other airlines as no one wants a loose cannon around. not a pleasant way to do business in this day and age.

hawkerpilot

27th November 2006, 21:34

"So please tell me what happens if you decide you are not going to repay the training bond "

DON'T WORRY WINKLE, JUST GO! THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO RECLAIM ANY MONEY ON BONDS! mANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AND THE BEST THEY TRY IS TO SEND YOU A THREATHENING LETTER. YOU OFCOURSE RESPOND THAT YOU WILL SEE THEM IN COURT AND THEY WILL NEVER REPLY AGAIN AS THEIR CONTRACT IS BASED ON ISLE OF MAN AND WITH THE RESULT THAT YOU CANNOT GET THEM BUT THEY ALSO CANNOT GET YOU, BONDING IS NOT ACCEPTED BY EUROPEAN JUDGES SO DON'T WORRY MATE GO BEFORE THE REST DOES;) ( IT WILL BE BUSY EARLY DECEMBER AFTER MORE WILL BE DISAPOINTED:* )

falconbis

29th November 2006, 10:20

Absolutly right about the bonds, the contract had no legal value by beeing off shore, one standart captain left with one week notice instead of three months. ...

The general comments of CL 300 demonstrate the problem netjets have to face by hiring (sorry nothing personnal guys) low calibrate pilots. of course a GA pilot coming from serie Z charter or corporate !!!!y company who never found a job in a proper serie A airline or flight department will found Netjets job wonderful. Higher calibrate pilots with higher expectations will found Netjets contract and methods unacceptable. So yes 8 or 10 pourcent of the pilots leave the company each year they are mainly ex airline guys captains and experienced, there are replaced by mainly low time low experience often CPL pilots. having a young soft happy workforce is good but netjets sales use a lot the safety records of his crew.....how long they are going to hide the truth with the hiring quality declining and always asking for more productivity in an incredible difficult flying enviroment? It s like driving everyday faster into the same corner and its becoming slipery ..

hawkerpilot

30th November 2006, 20:51

Experienced people leaving=less experience in company+ more flights + more aircraft=more tired crews= MORE RISK FOR ACCIDENT.

More tired crews =more people leaving

More people leaving +more bending the rules to compensate+ less counting the duty(everything private!)=even more tired crews=Even More risk for accident

If you have flown for a airline you leave asap now jobs are good
If you haven't flown for one you try to get in to one
If you haven't or/and in you can't you are stuck with Netjets and can witness the collapse of what COULD have been a great company if it had not been for the greedy management, filling the pockets, incompetent in managing more then their goldfish at home, and in order to get their bonusses, lie more to you pilot and the client, pushing you more to fly with technical issues when you shouldn't, bending more rules and respecting less the work and rest limitations because they Have to do those flights.....

I am sure that all the current and prospective clients are well informed about this are they? ................

Shame on you Netjets, your people fly the most influencial people in the world and you pay them peanuts, and treat them as a replaceable commodity...shame on you in management who caused all this.......but now it is too late........

saab340ryder

5th December 2006, 10:58

Let's continue whith what originaly this post was set for....

We'll, I've got the date for the interview, but there is nothing mentioned in the email that I have to take any technical or english test (maybe I impressed the interviewer so much that I don't need it:O :O ) . Just information that there will be a half an hour interview and one hour of sim :rolleyes: . Am I missing something maybe, just asking?

The second thing is, sim is supossed to be B200...are there some particular trick's that guys like to see when they evaluate you for the first time...any particular apt's, sid's, star's, mcc trick's...I guess now with improved conditions there will be much more guys/girls interested in joining them, so we'll need to prepare much more now, a.

I would now like to see comments from all you who have soo much against this company, what do you think now. I don't think that you will impress me too much and, I think that it is personal decission ef every individual where he will go and what to do with his life...

thank's for help

Smeagel

5th December 2006, 12:01

I would now like to see comments from all you who have soo much against this company, what do you think now. I don't think that you will impress me too much and, I think that it is personal decission ef every individual where he will go and what to do with his life...

Why ask for people's opinions when you say "I don't think that you will impress me too much"?. You've obviously made your mind up.

I hope you pass the interview and see the company from the inside. Good luck.

falconbis

5th December 2006, 12:39

airmen

6th December 2006, 12:08

We'll, I've got the date for the interview, but there is nothing mentioned in the email that I have to take any technical or english test (maybe I impressed the interviewer so much that I don't need it ) . Just information that there will be a half an hour interview and one hour of sim . Am I missing something maybe, just asking?

The second thing is, sim is supossed to be B200...are there some particular trick's that guys like to see when they evaluate you for the first time...any particular apt's, sid's, star's, mcc trick's...I guess now with improved conditions there will be much more guys/girls interested in joining them, so we'll need to prepare much more now, a.

Interview was like this 2 weeks ago: 10 min briefing about the day, 20 min tech quizz, 30 min english written, 30-45 min sim with no tricks:} , 30 min grill interview and thats it!

Good luck

unimuts

10th December 2006, 19:46

Well glad thats all over,

Anyway the interview day is pretty much as posted on here already. No tricks everything straightforward.

The day begins with an english comp test, timed at 30 mins, about 30+ questions then technical test 30 mins about 30 + questions. Then everyone hands in photo copies of all documents required and slowly one by one your interviewed by a panle of 3 people with a mix of questions why join us? why should we hire you ?etc... After that you have a sim ride before the sim ride you are well briefed on the sid and destination star and procedure and some of the pwr settings, then off you go, about 40 mins, no de brief, and that complete's the day.

They let you know within 2 weeks of your result.

The sim ride and the technical paper test are changed on a regular basis, and the guy in before me had a different senario departure and destination to me, so they can even change per candidate per sim ride.

Good luck to you all

uni :ok:

SHENANDOA

14th December 2006, 19:13

if you have more info.......

Have done the usual search, but most of it seems old and so I'm looking for the lastest update for telephone interview questions and multi chocie- Interview questions. Has anyone out there been through the process recently that can help?

:)

unimuts

14th December 2006, 20:50

:p

Well after 8 years and to many cv's i got the call the call to offer me a job with netjets, I cant tell you all how happy i am.... :p :E

Mike Jenvey has written much on here and not to much has changed, the tech test is a recap of your atpl stuff, yes thats a lot to recap but they can and DO change the paper but look through aerodynamics, met, engines instruments and get to understand JAR ops too.

Best of luck everyone....

A very happy unimuts

:ok:

4HolerPoler

15th December 2006, 06:05

Well done unimuts :ok: always great to see a dream fulfilled, especially when it's been eight years in the making.

Keep us posted.

Best wishes & safe flying.

4HP

Twin2040

17th December 2006, 05:12

Hi - this started out as "Netjets recruitment" so I guess my input is valid. I emailed my CV last week - got a reply from Carmen 1 hour later with order to fill out Pilot Application Form - so far so good!!!! Did everything nicely and send back - 22 hours later another reply from Carmen saying thanks - you failed........... what ????
Everyone can fail various tests - but at least I was very much hopeing for an interview.
I got more than 3000 hours TT - 2 Boeing ratings and + 1700 hours on them.
Best of luck to them who goes to the interview.

smallfry

17th December 2006, 09:27

There must be more to it... I cant comment as I don't know, but there must be something like the Passport or Licence? Try again and see if you get the same response, it might have been an error.

Twin2040

17th December 2006, 09:41

Hi and thanks for your reply - I hold a EU passport and a JAR FCL. I am on lay over in KUL - it might be worth to call Carmen on Tuesday when I return. Regards. Twin2040

EatMyShorts!

17th December 2006, 10:21

Yepp, definetely ask again, this looks really odd to me.

Sgnr de L'Atlantique

17th December 2006, 11:48

Does NJE usually ask inside referees about their opinion about a new applicant? In that case, tha could be it I guess.

Otherwise it seems very odd to me, especiall in these times where everybody needs pilots and 2000Hrs TT is looked at as an experienced pilot..

chileconcarne27

17th December 2006, 13:19

I've heard a few rumours flying round that Netjets may be offering some kind of sponsorship for Wannabee pilots. Is this completely unfounded and just another rumour mill or is there some substance behind it?

I'm hoping that someone here will have an idea before i phone recruitment and completely embarrass myself!

Cheers
Chile

spanman

17th December 2006, 15:22

As I'm new to this forum......and many people have asked the same question, I just wanted to know if anyone can shed a glimmer of light on new updates to the phone call, tech questions and interview with NJE as i have just recently applied.
thanks

just to add.......is it an advantage to have a VIP customer service background when applying to NJE

wigwag

17th December 2006, 15:34

Well done Unimuts :D

Thats me in too I got the call, cant quite believe it, and with the improvement in Terms and conditions, timing is just right.

I'm in for a fantastic Christmas and new year too, best of luck to all of you trying to get in :ok: .

Thanks Mike for the help and advice on previous posts, beer's on me.

WW

:O

CNTDSCT

17th December 2006, 16:27

south coast

17th December 2006, 16:32

Can only laugh at that, probably best you stay on your 737 NG then.

CL300

17th December 2006, 16:44

if one may be interested to join NetJets...which aircraft and salary may one expect?
B737NG with 5000 TT (1500PIC NG)
Citation2?NO thanks.
Hawker?NO thanks.
Falcon 900...:rolleyes: YES
G5 as FO......maybe
LEAR....anytime any seat.if type is paid for .of course:-):ok:

Does NetJet accepts part time pilots?

BBJ's not in Europe...... Lear....not in a million light years same for Challenger and global.

Then for the rest it is SOOOOO simple, EVERYONE has the same salary you are fo on a G550 or C550 same pay..Idem captain salary... Idem FA salary ( male or female lol ) So three different salaries.. easy no?

CNTDSCT

17th December 2006, 16:56

i was asking cause my f/o got a job offer on the citation2...told him/her in the US we called it SLOWtation..and its so difficult they fly it single pilot.
Same salary??thats just insane...why would a pilot with lets say 2000 hours jet (SIC) which gets lets say the falcon because of experience would get the same salary as a 200hr c172 who got a Cessna cit2 position?
And the Lear is just a great machine..especially flying cargo:E ,but need the JAA conversion here so not possible...ok .

Whats the salary for f/0 then?
Thanks Mike ..thought you had lears..my fo is not going for an upgrade as too low hours..
I upgraded on the NG in 16 months...can i get the 7X or should go to cuitation2 first??

CNTDSCT

17th December 2006, 17:32

Mike,

Thank you for salary info..ill make sure to inform the person..
However i already have time on Be1900 not the D but the C (cargo again) and single pilot just like on sa 227..you have a sim for that ?i only have 300 hours on the be1900....:E i may struggle a bit..you know the seat of the pants excuse:E

anyways,thank you for your posts.
1500 hours to start as F/O...respect to your airline..finally a european outfit with sense.:ok:

CNTDSCT

17th December 2006, 18:02

i have the basics on the sa227(1300 hours alone:E ) but rolling your 1900 sim..that i would like ..if i do it well..a seat on your 7X?..dont mind seniority of course:8
:D
Have a nice and safe week:O

Captain Joe Smith

18th December 2006, 13:00

Hi Guys
Mike Jenvey mentioned yesterday that the NetJets salary as quoted from Flight International was 56500 euro for FO and 95000 euro for Captains. The Flight article also mentions the opion to work an additional 6 days for a conciderable amount of money more. Is that option available to all pilots or is it a ploy to advertise higher salaries. If I choose to go to NJE can I count on 60700 for my salary as FO?

yacan

19th December 2006, 06:18

yes plus 70€ per diem

PPRuNeUser0215

19th December 2006, 06:53

If I choose to go to NJE can I count on 60700 for my salary as FO?
Actually to more acurate, you can count on the 6 extra days only for 2007 and only if you join when the busy time of your fleet happens to be after you have been line checked.
It has been found that each fleet works harder at different times of the year so the busy time of an Excel might be June, July, August and the for a Falcon, August, September, October.
So if you join in March on the Excel, considering that it takes a while to get through line training, you probably won't see the extra money (and might not have the option to offer to work more because of your late joining in the year).
The other thing to bear in mind is that the current number of worked-days off the company is willing to garantee to pay is 6, for the year 2007.
We do not know what it will be for 08-09-10 etc.... They hint it could be more (of course ;)) but in my view, if the crewing levels are nearly right, this should be less or not at all.
I regard this scheme as a potential bonus for those of us willing to give up their days off depending on company needs. This, I do not consider as part as my annual regular income, that way saving myself a financial disappointment.

Captain Joe Smith

19th December 2006, 07:07

SayMach#

19th December 2006, 07:15

Hi,

it takes (having at least 3000 h) in average I'd say 12 months. Depending when you join, because no training in summer (June, Juli, August). With GA experience you fly normally 20, without 40 sectors with line trainers. And yes, training is struggling a little because of need of new pilots and line trainers are maxed out.

PPRuNeUser0215

19th December 2006, 08:12

Forgive me but the number of sectors for line Training (Flight under Supervision) is not down to whether or not you have GA experience.
It is standard JAR OPS stuff found in Part A.
It distinguishes two cases (With reference to what we are discussing here).
- First Officers flying types for first time
- First Officers undertaking first conversion course

Both require 40 sectors But the Director of Flight Training can reduce this requirement to 20. What he basically does, is to look at your previous experience and decides what you need as a minimum.
Usually it comes down to whether or not you have flown a jet before and what type of operations you were involved in (multi crew etc...).
The same goes for the landings. If you have similar previous experience, your base check will consist of a mini of 4 T/O and LDGs. If not then it is 6.

SayMach#

19th December 2006, 12:31

Sorry, got it wrong with the numbers of sectors. The 20 vs. 40 is for F/O line training. Usually if you upgrade on same type it is 10 sectors with line trainers!

Treetopflyer

19th December 2006, 13:00

Thanks for the reply,
Some additional questions from someone seriously interested to join next year...
How many weeks after joining can the average pilot expect to go on line? Are there enough training Captains to cover this training. How many rotations (tours) before you can expect to be line checked? and last but not least what is the average time before you can upgrade if you meet the NJE minimum upgrade requirments?
Thanks again

About 3 to 5 months seems to be the usual timeframe from indoc to line check these days. Lack of line trainers seems to be the issue.

Time to upgrade depends a bit on the fleet as well (sometimes a bit longer on the XL / Hawker than on the Bravo / 400XP) but is around a year for most people. Could be shorter if you perform exceptionnally well or if you know people (i.e. flew in the same RAF squadron as your fleet manager...:E :E :E ).

Good luck for the interview.

TTF

space pig

19th December 2006, 19:17

Future netjets wannabees, Jenvey is not telling the complete story, but only showing the good bits. Only after you have bitten the cookie you will see there is a nasty aftertaste:

-Yes we have G5's and the 7X is coming BUT, you have 600 people ahead of you who want to fly these aircraft before you can which realistically means that you will be a co-pilot on a bravo or beechjet for at least a year, then you will be a captain (if you have your 3000TT )on this bravo/beechjet for at least another 3 years and possible more. Now you could be offered to fly a hawker 800 or a Excel if you are lucky. This will keep you busy for another 3-4 years. If you have not pissed off the management so far(meaning: do what you are told, break the rules when they tell you to, exceed the work and rest on a regular basis, fly an aircraft with technical issues which are not written up in the techlog to keep the aircraft flying etc) you will be called to fly an falcon 2000 (no, not the easy mate, that will take more time......)
As you can see we are getting close to more then at least 10 years before you are getting close to the "comfort airplanes"

DID YOU HAVE THAT IN MIND ?? Ok then you should join. But do not just follow blindley what Jenvey is telling because that is only halve of the story. You just do not fly the NICE aircraft within 10 years.

I agree with previous remark that there is no perfect job. However before you give up your precious airline job, think again. Netjets has not been a very kind company towards it's employees. Only because of pressure from Unions, courtcases and VERY PISSED OFF PEOPLE that were running away by the dozens ( close to 80 this year alone) Netjets has decide to "improve a few things" just enough to prevent more people going immidiately.
Airline people came to NJE because they were layed off by all the airlines that went bankrupt, not because of the so called lifestyle, now they can go they will, being pissed of enough by management.

Netjets has not changed. They are still the same as all the hundreds posts describe about things going on within netjets .(just try search)

Netjets is the same old car. They have put new paint on it and want to sell it as a new car. but be carefull, it is a scam.

There are very few people who have been here for more then a few yaers that are still happy. Most who say they are did not qualify for the airlines and are stuck in GA.

Good luck with your decision, but think twice, because must of us are leaving the coming months, that should be a sign................

spanman

19th December 2006, 19:32

After reading the above comments.....whats the real deal with NJE,
for me I've worked in most field's of aviation, but most of my piloting has been in GA..........Just got the call this morning out of the blue, Passed the telephone interview...invited to Farn. mid Jan.

so what can i expect. I know the Sim is of a same type i'm presently on....How about the Tech questions, are they mulit choice? what about this new english test? what am i to be asked at the interview stage.

am i asking to many question's

may be some one could reply

Thanks

spanman

19th December 2006, 21:13

:ok: thanks Mike for the info will PM you as and when i have questions to ask.

space pig

19th December 2006, 21:37

"close to 80" pilots leaving? The quote from recent Flight International article was 8%"

WHO SAID THIS ? Right, Netjets spokeperson. Since when is Netjets telling the truth??????????????

We pilots keep our own count and we KNOW who have left and you will see mike, that 80 will not be the final number for this year as December will bring many more after their so called improvement. No suprise, many are French who are going to leave, going to pay double tax......, and germans with militairy pensions and..... etc

"took me just over 3 years"

Mike dear chap, you were asking for it after this comment: you have been management's allie since very long, we all know that . And yes you have been awarded for your " Loyalty" . Your PM skills to "help" newcomers into the company are easily found with the "search function" Search under Mike Jenvey and you will see he is the company's biggest promoter, nothing objective)
So if you want to go the brown arm way, this is indeed a way to get promoted earlier, I forgot to mention that;)

And last but not least, you were upgraded when there were a few hundred less people in the company, who will be ahead of newcomers, so folks bravo , the 70's stage 2 beechjet and perhaps an excel or hawker is your future for the next 10 years, realistically.:*

Captain Joe Smith

20th December 2006, 07:00

Is it me or there is too much politics in NJE?

Can someone please paint a realistic picture on the company and what one can expect his/her career path to be in NJE.

I am considering joining early next year but after reading all the various messages I don't know what to make of it. I am sure there are a number of people out there just like me who are considering leaving the airlines for NJE. Bearing in mind all the available options out there, are we going to pay a heavy price for it?

If anyone would like to PM please feel free to do so.

CL300

20th December 2006, 07:09

"close to 80"
"took me just over 3 years"

And last but not least, you were upgraded when there were a few hundred less people in the company, who will be ahead of newcomers, so folks bravo , the 70's stage 2 beechjet and perhaps an excel or hawker is your future for the next 10 years, realistically.:*

I 've been upgraded on the same fleet, within 3 years as well. (did not ask as well).You cannot blame people for being there that long either can you ?

Like in any company you have the "flashy shinny up to date plane" can be A340/B744/GLF5/F7X or what's it, and the entry level ATR42/EMB145/A320/B733/C550..... what is the differrence ? You want the BIG toys NOW ? Why ? Ego ? You have a carreer path at NJE, a different one than airlines, but at least you know that there is plenty of large cabin coming in. THE difference is that whatever you fly you will have the SAME salary !!! YOU DON'T need to go to the bigger one for you to have the BIG money, you choose the aircraft that's suit your life style.
French leaving ? Well ;) may be , but not in december I can tell you that, French may eat frogs , but did not affect their brain cells though.
You can try to picture an awful NJE, but you will have to fight long , hard, and with more proven facts to stop the 'war machine' towards one of it's transmutation...

Stage 2......I think you have failed here....Unfortunately for you it is not the only field you do.

south coast

20th December 2006, 08:38

Captain Smith

I have been with NJ for a year and a half now and this is my opinion, and only mine.

I really enjoy working for NJ, the people I have flown with are great fun, friendly, helpful and I can honestly say I have not been on a tour where I really wished I was somewhere else.

I cannot fault the company on anything directly affecting me, I was paid a full salary from day 1, even though it took me 3 months from INDOC to start line training (due to type rating in USA and CAA efficeincy).

Having never flow for an airline in the UK, I can only judge from the likes of PPJN that the salary is acceptable, we always want more.

The tax issues, well that is a sore point for many, but as a UK resident, we have always paid tax at source and therefore it is just accepted as a necessary evil.

I am not going to comment on those who enjoyed either very low levels of tax or zero tax contribution who now have to pay what is a pretty standard level of taxation, draw your own conclusions.

The company has realised that there are issues with which the masses are not happy with and are taking steps to make good such things.

Now this is where you have to decide what side of the fence you are going to sit, and I respect both sides.

You can be fairly new or positive and believe, the company have realised the errors they have made and are now going to address them.

If you are a long term NJ employee, you might well say, the things they are giving to us are what we actually signed up to, ie. 6-5 roster, and why has it taken them so long to implement such changes?

I understand that the management do not have a lot of credit with the long serving guys as they 'have seen it all before', but maybe just maybe, the new management is different and want to make the package attractive.

So, I understand those who say they are not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, as the market is good at present, and have voted with their feet.

The other option is to give them the benefit of the doubt and see if things get better, and the third option is, well, it is still better than my old company.

So thats how I see things, and with respect to your initial inquiry, things cant be that good at your airlline otherwise you wouldnt be looking to leave, so with that in mind, NJ is not perfect, it is not the worst, it is not the highest paid, but it is not the lowest paid, it is all about the best lifestyle for you.

keepin it in trim

20th December 2006, 08:53

South Coast

rather like you, I have been here for nearly 2 years. I think your post is a pretty balanced overall view.

the fleet I am on has a great bunch of people to work with, a very varied set of destinations and a good aircraft. Our fleet management are also good guys and the fleet is growing FAST.

It really is horses for courses, it won't suit everyone, and I am sure there are better paid jobs in the world, but it is never just about the money. For me the overall job and package are good.

Yes there is room for improvement, and like south coast I am going to give the new management a chance to prove they are honest and sincere in what they say. If they come through on that, great, if they don't they will have blown it big time with a lot of people.

erikv

20th December 2006, 16:02

I joined with south coast and agree with him, except... we were actually paid from day 0 which was the day prior Indoc on which we traveled to Lisbon.

To me, it looks like management are definitely on the right track. Our CEO came to reign last April and has since appointed a HR director, had a survey carried out among all employees, has identified the main culprits and has taken action. The much-discussed new pay deal is not finished, it is the first step that takes care of the top three issues. On top of that he is taking every opportunity to set the right example towards the troops and is addressing the whole atmosphere in the LIS headquarters. I find that enough action to give management the benefit of the doubt.

Erik

hawkerpilot

20th December 2006, 20:32

Survey under Netjets pilots after the "NEW PACKAGE" was announced:

33% good enough for me
33% bit disapointed
32% NOT GOOD, I AM LEAVING AS SOON AS I CAN
1% No answer

This poll was taken of 115 people, which is a representative part of the group of pilots. Extrapolated to the current numbers we are talking about close to 200 pilots leaving when they can.

MUST BE A GREAT PLACE TO WORK , RIGHT?;)

hawkerpilot

20th December 2006, 20:38

cl 300:"I 've been upgraded on the same fleet, within 3 years as well."

He, good to see you back, haven't heared from you for a while, Yes I know you were busy with your 2000 easy typerating together with your mate

No need to comment how you got upgraded within 3 years, but many people on the 400 are happy you did...:D

erikv

20th December 2006, 20:59

33% good enough for me
33% bit disapointed
32% NOT GOOD, I AM LEAVING AS SOON AS I CAN
1% No answer

Thought you had left by now, you've been teasing us with it for months... You forgot to mention the 1% stating he/she was jumping up and down with joy. Representative? I don't know any unhappy pilots that avoid the forum, but I know plenty of happy ones that don't go there. The 32% you've quotes as leaving as ASAP, accounts for 38 actual votes.

Erik

Smeagel

20th December 2006, 21:26

Can someone please paint a realistic picture on the company

Joe. My advice would be wait and see if management really do improve T&C's. Truth is these changes (which others have correctly described as being in part what was in our contracts in the first place and were removed without consultation) have only come about under threat of a union.

If the promised changes do not materialise then I doubt that you, coming from a 'proper' airline background, will like it much. It's just too gash at times.

Times to command on a larger aircraft WILL be longer than a year or so. Just ask the guys who agreed to stay on non-apu fleets for 18 months and are still there over two years later. While management are presenting a new public face many in Lisbon seem unable to break the habits of a lifetime. The oft heard "But we don't do deals" is still thrown back at crew who agreed to help out and in return are left dangling. The fleet growth is slowing so you can expect to tread water for a bit.

It is well worth sitting yourself down at the computer with a cup of tea and using the 'search' function in here. It will be immediately obvious who sits on which side of the fence. What may not be quite so obvious is how some have shifted their stance as the honeymoon period has worn off, others since the announcement of the new pay arrangements. Somewhat misleadingly one of those people still punts the pro-company line here but appears to have had the scales fall from his eyes in another more private forum. Not cricket.

Numbers leaving? The official line is 50 so far in 2006, ask any pilot who knows a few people and he/she will say it is higher than that. The NJE spokesperson quoted above said that 8% was an unacceptable loss. Funnily enough no more than a few weeks ago the company line, repeated by some appearing in this thread, was that it was more or less normal.

Do your homework, wait a bit, make your choice.

As Hawkerpilot has said some of us are already one foot out the door. Here, have my seat ;)

Smeagel

20th December 2006, 21:31

Thought you had left by now, you've been teasing us with it for months... You forgot to mention the 1% stating he/she was jumping up and down with joy. Representative? I don't know any unhappy pilots that avoid the forum, but I know plenty of happy ones that don't go there. The 32% you've quotes as leaving as ASAP, accounts for 38 actual votes.
Erik

Apologies for the double post.

Erik. I believe membership of the other (NJE crew) forum is approaching 400.

If, as you imply, only the unhappy ones use that forum that would mean by your own admission that two thirds of the crew are unhappy. Something the poll quoted by Hawkerpilot would seem to confirm.

See what happens when you start playing with statistics?;)

space pig

20th December 2006, 22:50

"This poll was taken of 115 people, which is a representative part of the group of pilots. Extrapolated to the current numbers we are talking about close to 200 pilots leaving when they can."

Erik V, what hawker pilot is saying, makes sense. You mention the 38 pilots, which is the 32% he mentioned that want to leave asap.

As with any poll, a representative part of the population is taken. I would say 115 pilots is representative.(of 500+ pilots)
As Smeagel points out, people in favour and against the new package have voted ( hence the 33/33/32/1 % split) Not just the unhappy people otherwise it would be 99% leaving.

I can only conclude this is close to reality and extrapolated means indeed close to 200 pilots who want to leave asap.

THAT MEANS NETJETS EUROPE AS A WHOLE IS ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE.

But Erik, even trying to be on your side and stick to the 38 pilots who want to leave ON TOP who have allready left ( according to management 50, allthough we all know there are close to 80, but never mind I try to stay on your " positive side"
so 50+ 38 = 88 pilots this year alone!!

Even that number (88)netjets cannot cope with the fleetgrowth as planned.

No, I would say Netjets is no safe bet at the moment for a future. Follow Smeagels advice and at best wait and see what is going to happen next summer when the things are heating up.

And for those youngsters with netjets commenting on us , who have been here a few more years: Do not forget that WE are the experienced captains with Netjets, the TRI's , Linetrainers and standardscaptains. THOSE people are NOW leaving. No trainers, no one is being trained. Get it?

Better ask yourself WHY we are leaving. But if you wait a few more years you get the answer, or listen to us now: Leave before it is to late, that's what we do.
:ok:

space pig

20th December 2006, 23:01

Perhaps Mike can enlighten us ?

What is your positive view?:confused:

CL300

21st December 2006, 06:54

Perhaps Mike can enlighten us ?

What is your positive view?:confused:

It is not mike, but,

The positive view is that there is a solid base of customers, I'm not going to reveal numbers on a public website regarding revenue and cashflow, numbers were given to NJE employees on the road show, and will be given to new hires at indoc, after having signed the confidentiality agreement (remember, Hawker, Smeagel, space pig ?). With these numbers, there is a strong probability, that the company would last as long as the other ones, (there is no guarantee in aviation world, sabena ,swissair usw ). Netjets is setting the path of another aviation, somewhere between GA and airline. There is simply NO benchmark, all of you are trying to compare 2 worlds that will never meet; Line trainers living... ok, did these guys really want to be there at the first place or using this position as a leverage to jump seniority ?
Netjets is writing its history, there is good things and bad things and things are moving, may not suit everybody in the short term, but I'm truly convinced that we go in the right direction. ( for your info , I'm with the one's for whom the new deal is not that good). For the new people joining, it will be great, give me ONE name of a company where a C550 captain, year 0 can make 95000 Euros working 200 days a year ? or 50 max per quarter ? with a proper roster ?. Now you are going to tell me how about the G550 captains ? they have the same salary !! This is not really correct, since you (generally) do not start your left hand seat experience at Netjets (year 0) on a gulfstream !!

and for the one who moved sooner to the large cabin, well, may be they had more hours, other type of experience, already have the type rating and the like. EVERY month there is a meeting that decides not only fleet change, but upgrades and so forth...If nobody (even your fleet manager) is able to spell your name, you will be on the queue, it is the same for all companies...
I did change fleet 9 months ago, (one week apart from mike), without asking, having a positive attitude towards your life is a good secret, there is NOTHING personnal at NJE , (I'm tempted to say anymore, even if I never experienced any of this behaviour), the company is too big, roster is set up by a computer, with set datas, very little human input.
This is an aviation company, when you set your foot in, it is for a carreer, if you use it in being desperate or as a jump, you are on the wrong path and you need to correct your pitch....

For all of you still bitching, reporting private forums in a public one, I say again, how worth are your words ? and even worse your signature ? You attitude is childish, irresponsable and reprehensible. You were, all of you, very happy to be fed by NJE, (and still are since you can spend time here, won't be the case in your new life); so face your ego, and visit a specialist.

erikv

21st December 2006, 07:23

See the numbers as you see fit. When I'm on the line I regularly ask people if they go onto the closed forum on jetblasters. A good part (I'd say almost half on my fleet) can't be bothered. They are fairly happy, have gone on there once, saw too much negativity and hardly ever go back. That might explain the big difference between the number of registered crew (400) and those who responded in this thread (115).

If it was all just terrible, I am sure people would be running towards union representation, not? The move has been going on for 6 months and still hasn't gained significant momentum. That tells me more than a mini-survey under a biased cross-section.

Again, it is not all perfect, but I have yet to find another employer that pays me 95000 euros within 2 years from joining, for working 178 days per year (200-vacation) with a solid roster.

Erik

space pig

21st December 2006, 09:01

So,why, despite the good Salary, people are leaving by the dozens?

Life is not only about money

Rather earn a little bit less and be with a company that I like for the last 25-30 years of my working life.

There comes a time in your career that you are seen as to old to be attractive and there is nowhere to go. You could regret it if it happens to be GA.Airlines are not keen on hiring GA guys.

Would be sad if you put your bet and fate of your family depending on you, on a GA company like netjets, only to find out in a few years that it was just an American air bubble. NJE america will survive because the pilots are unionized which benefits both parties. Netjets Europe will collapse because denial, arrogance and dictator style management is still in place. But in a free world, YOU can choose your own faith.....and decide who you want to work for.:)

and cl300: the information we use is available on public sites, nothing secret about that, Pilots don't think in cashflows and profitmargins. We keep it simple without managementtalk: No pilots, no flights , no growth, easy right?;)

silverhawk

21st December 2006, 09:31

CL300

21st December 2006, 11:30

Until they recruit direct entry into the left hand seat they will always struggle for adequate staff. No-one in their right mind will leave a command position with an established outfit to go rhs on any bizjet.
To those of you who will be on tour over the holidays, Merry Christmas, Seasons Greetings, Happy Holiday or whatever doesn't offend.
Do the customers REALLY need an aircraft on standby on Dec 25th?

Do airline needs to fly on the 25th ? on the 1st ?

For people switching position , there is some ex Falcon 900EX captains who left their respective companies to go RHS at NJE.....Of course they left a LOT of money behind, but in the move they are keeping the same wife, and can see their kids growing....For airline type background it is another story, but we have plenty ex Air Mauritius and the like who joigned tired of waiting command on their 767 after 8 years looking people bypassing them, and having to live in another F.. island (warm though but still an island :cool: )

silverhawk

21st December 2006, 12:01

south coast

21st December 2006, 12:04

CL300...I take it the 'F' stood for French!

**quote**
and having to live in another F.. island (warm though but still an island )

CL300

21st December 2006, 14:47

' after 8 years of being bypassed', sounds like they weren't considered suitable for upgrade to me.
I'm a 737 captain. Why would the likes of me ever consider accepting a rhs position, no matter how short the time to command at Netjets?
btw, my outfit never operate on 25th

Well politics in lot of countries/companies are more than common, but one's need an eye opener to see it.

All majors are flying on christmas and new years eve, and even crews are on stand by in LHR/CDG/FRA and the like, so your question is completely out of sync with an airline type operation, where is your world ? YOU may not fly on those dates BUT hundreds of pilots will be on stand by on these dates and not only them cabin crews, engineers, dispatchers, BECAUSE, it is not an AeroClub, it is a product delivery UNSCHEDULE, ON DEMAND, GUARANTEED availability operation, as a consequence, someone has to do it...
What you see as acceptable for a scheduled traffic suddenly become outrageous for NJE ? Get a life !!
But what a good outfit, not to work on the 25th.....well may be....

CL300

21st December 2006, 14:52

CL300...I take it the 'F' stood for French!
**quote**
and having to live in another F.. island (warm though but still an island )

Do not take it too personnal, there is plenty of islands , the way you take it do not bother me at all.
Islands per nature are isolated even the biggest one's, so after a while, especially if you are not a 'local' you want to see the continent, whatever it is. If once in your life you worked overseas or across the channel for a long period of time without being able to come back, you know the feeling. :bored:

south coast

21st December 2006, 15:22

I think you missed the point there CL....

Was an attempt at humour.

I would bet you are a continental European?

CL300

21st December 2006, 15:28

I think you missed the point there CL....
Was an attempt at humour.
I would bet you are a continental European?
Need more training on british humour... those continentals....:\

silverhawk

21st December 2006, 16:26

Wow, your cage doesn't take much rattling does it?

I spent a whole tour stuck in GVA starting on Christmas Eve and never moved the aircraft once. The rich and famous have better things to do on 25th than bother about working/travelling. That was a few years back. I moved back to the airlines. I have never worked or been on Sby on 25th since then and that's with 3 different UK airlines.

On a recent trip I carried the wife of one of NJE's leading lights, he's also a friend of mine. To attract the numbers they want and the quality they'd like NJE will have to consider direct entry Captains from the airlines.

How do you like them apples?

CL300

22nd December 2006, 07:17

CL300:"how worth are your words ? "

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, why would only your words count ? are we the peasants, not entitled to a opinion?

I thought French aristocracy had been wiped out after the revolution?:confused:

Step down from your ivory tower and have a chat with the "normal " pilots, it could enlighten your ideas. Just because you aquired your "Hero" status after milano does not mean you can place yourself above us.........

It is not XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX... See you missed it again !! and your words mate....You are publishing on a PUBLIC website, first names of people whom are not involved in this conversation, your attitude says it all !! Not even a PM to try to sort out who am I really !! Like I proposed on previous thread you pm your BB number to me, I get back to you asap. And then you will have the wonderfull power to call me by my first name if you wish to do so, but I will have the same trigger !!

jimbob69

22nd December 2006, 12:52

.... Lear....not in a million light years same for Challenger and global.

Slightly off tangent but I assume this is due to NJ not using Bombardier aircraft?

I do find this tact a little odd as we were a NJ customer for some time and were regularly provided with Bombardier aircraft when NJ could not supply their own - which somewhat makes a mockery of the situation.

Not applicable to this thread just an observation.

Scroll Lock

22nd December 2006, 13:55

BOrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.
Another lets slag off NetJets thread.

God, get a life.

CL300

22nd December 2006, 16:30

Slightly off tangent but I assume this is due to NJ not using Bombardier aircraft?

I do find this tact a little odd as we were a NJ customer for some time and were regularly provided with Bombardier aircraft when NJ could not supply their own - which somewhat makes a mockery of the situation.

Not applicable to this thread just an observation.

Could start another thread but a quick answer on this one, When Santully started Netjets with S550, he went shopping for new aircraft, he was more or less turned down by Learjet and this is it. No Learjet no Bombardier as a consequence. Politics politics.....

silverhawk

23rd December 2006, 07:17

I think you mean 'Santulli'

Smeagel

23rd December 2006, 15:56

...... after having signed the confidentiality agreement (remember, Hawker, Smeagel, space pig ?)
CL300. I admire your loyalty to the company particularly in the light of how they have just stiffed you on the tax/salary front.
However the thing about signing contracts and agreements is that both parties must abide otherwise it becomes null and void. Netjets lost the high ground when they changed our terms and conditions without consultation.
They (you) cannot have it both ways. Either stick by the rules (oh the irony of the word 'rules' and NJE being in the same sentence) and expect others to do so or break them and bear the consequences.

south coast

23rd December 2006, 16:07

Fair comment Smeag....

Contract being broken by NJs

What do you say to that CL300?

erikv

24th December 2006, 06:44

The contractual rule of 6/5 WAS broken 3 years ago and current management are giving it back. I can imagine that people WERE upset about it back then, but fail to understand why some of them keep sounding like a broken record. Of course it takes time to (re)gain trust, but you have to move on at some time.

Erik

south coast

24th December 2006, 07:56

erik my friend

i think it is a little unfair to look at it like that, since it wasnt us who had our contract broken.

i mean, how happy would you have been if it was you who signed up to something, then told, actually this is what it is going to be, accept it or see you later.

would you be so forgiving, trusting, positive?

dont get me wrong, i am mostly of a similar view point to your own, but i just dont think you can say to these long serving people, change the record...they were treated badly.

redsnail

24th December 2006, 10:31

Per diems are tax free.

CL300

24th December 2006, 13:53

Fair comment Smeag....
Contract being broken by NJs
What do you say to that CL300?
Unfortunately for US (netjets pilots), the wonderful UK and dependancies have have very good rules protecting the EMPLOYER, not the EMPLOYEE. If you had spend your 2000 Euros in legal advice , you may had come through an interesting point; which is that in our particular case an UNILATERAL change of some contract conditions is NOT illegal if the scope of employment is the same (ie piloting an aircraft). So you can shout for hours, there is ALWAYS a bottom line, which is in our case : do you wish to stay or not ? If not , then it is simple, walk out, and if you do not want to give anything to the company do it at the latest time your actual contract permits ( December for continentals, April for the others) OR you wish to stay, than, it is even simpler, sign the contract, and hope that the conditions will get better along the line.
I'm not signing a 'blanc-seing' to the company, and I'm hoping that the loyalty and performance bonus will come into play soon. The 1st day of the tour is sorted, even If I personnaly would had like more in-depth for long range positionning but this is a start, some feedback, and I'm pretty sure that this will be done in due time.
Per diems, lucky for you if they are TAX free, they are not in my country :{

Like erik said , you have to move, WE have to move, ALL together, give the benefice of the doubt, INERTIA is difficult to overcome BUT we are getting there.
I, YOU, WE have to be optimistic, our future lies with us, not only for T&C . The company has a strong culture of supporting employees when they need it (I'va had to ask for things in the past and was never turned down). The company DOES NOT have to be supportive for people that alter it's image at ANY time (being on Rest during your days ON you are still working for the company); the confidential agreement that we signed is binding us towards this as well. This is why I hate people giving away names or situations attacking people on pure rumours (what is pprune for :oh: ) on a public website is against this agreement that we all signed at time of indoc.

Even if i'm not christian, X-mas and the new year associated is at door step, forgiveness is in the package. I wish that you will see, a bright light in 2007, compassion and trust, recognition of your qualities, improvement of your weak points and achievement in your carreers. May yourself and your families be in good health throughout. I wish I will see you in a flet that you like, with sectors that you love, good tailwinds, no turbulence, and a lot of visual approaches as well as some 550 m RVR, (waiting for the 75 meter hand flown..)
Merry christmas and happy new year 2007 !!!

redsnail

24th December 2006, 16:21

Cheers CL300, whilst I may not always agree 100% of the things you say, I can't argue with your last paragraph.

:ok:

Smeagel

24th December 2006, 21:28

Goodwill to all men eh CL300? Merry christmas, I really hope Santa sorts out your tax woes and I mean that sincerely. A lot of my good friends live on the island of Europe and I know what you are going through from the last time the Company began tinkering and simply cut our pay.

At least we here on the mainland (UK) know exactly where we have stood in respect of tax and NI even if, as has been pointed out, when the time comes to make use of the 'benefits' they are practically worthless.

I admire your ability to remain optimistic. We're both long timers, we've both seen the same things yet have different interpretations of how those things are. I think you would agree however that you have friends in southern places which perhaps colours your view.

This company has a habit of riding roughshod over it's employees, they have absolutely no integrity. They will do what they want when they want with absolutely no concern for the effects on us. They have done it in the past, they are doing it now, they will do it again if it suits them.

You justify this for them by saying it is permissable (in law) for an employer to change terms of employment. I say an employer who does this is not a good employer and should not expect it's employees to bail it out of trouble, help out, or call it what you will. The company requests these favours all the time and gets them though noticably only from the newer employees. Extend, reduce rest, work illegal day one hours. Everyone else has grown wise and refuses to do it. Only the new hires comply for fear of jeopardising their upgrade to command or a larger aircraft.

The company broke our contract long ago. They imposed changes without consultation and changed terms and conditions that were clearly laid out in those contracts. That is an undisputed fact. It makes no difference how you dress it up using long words and flowery prose. They completely ignored us and our written contracts and did as they wanted.
Now they are doing it again and this time it is affecting a large percentage of the workforce some of whom will bend over and take it (for the reasons outlined above) while others will go elsewhere. Several people very high up on the seniority list (oops, sorry. There isn't one!) have been seen talking to other employers. There will be resignations in the coming months, some from people you would not expect.

Erik's situation is different. He is a relatively new hire so has not been on the recieving end of the big shaft before and is perhaps one of those looking to move upward. His argument here can be discounted. The company have not changed his contract yet but in the event they do I have a tip for him. When he tries to hold the company to account he can expect them to hold up their hands, point to a shell company that exists only on paper and a brass plaque on a small island somewhere and laugh at him. you think those people down in Lisbon who you argue in favour of will be grateful to you? Think again.

If I had to say one thing to those thinking of joining it would be this. Those trying to convince you the company is 'safe' will tell you this mistreatment happened because the company is growing, it is teething trouble, it is the fault of a manager who has now been fired. This is not so. Netjets crew in the US were treated like this for far longer than NJE has existed. Did they have unique tax problems? No. Did they have to contend with rules and regulations from several countries? No. Did they have an omnipotent tyrant running the place? No. In fact none of the excuses used for NJE apply to the States so why is it that even with the backing of possibly the strongest union around it still took them three solid years and a near strike to get a reasonable contract?

With this in mind ask yourself if a company, which has already shown itself more than ready to ignore written contracts and gone out of it's way to prevent a crew union, like this will suddenly do the best it can for it's employees? I think we all know the answer to that one. Far better to wait and see if it's stated desire to make things better comes true before taking the plunge and finding yourself trapped for two or three years.

I hope it pays off for those who stay behind. It is obvious though that there are troubled times ahead for those who do.

Riker

25th December 2006, 01:40

Smeagel,

Just curious, but which airlines do you think offer better deals that Netjets at the moment beyond BA, VS or CX? Do you think life will be that much better at Easy, Ryanair, Monarch or even EK? The new terms are a pretty big improvement, but no operation, including Netjets, is perfect. If you can get on with BA, VS or CX, good for you. At the end of the day, some pilots elect to stay at NJE for different reasons - domicile choices, new pay deal, variety of flying vs. fixed airline routes, work pattern, new aircraft, etc.

I'd love to hear which operations you believe are much better beyond the normal ones listed above... NJE is not perfect by any measure, but it now seems a lot better than many out there...

Smeagel

25th December 2006, 02:35

Riker.

I am making no attempt to join an airline so have no idea of their pay and conditions. Sorry.

I learned years ago that style of flying is not for me. I don't need to fly a large aircraft. I don't want the same old routine, same destinations, closed cockpit door.

I'm sure some of the others here can enlighten you. In fact I'm pretty certain pay for easyJet and others was discussed only recently on here. redsnail posted some of it I think.

I have found several corporate operators offering packages as good as and better than Netjets. Even those with the same pay are, in my opinion, a better bet because there is none of the nonsense we have to contend with at NJE. Rules are there to be followed. Less 'commercial pressure', operations and support staff who have not been told to consider the crew as "idiots" (a direct quote from an ops bod in Lisbon). So for the same income I can have less pressure and be treated like a human being.

Who are these companies? Maybe I'll let you know when I've decided which job to take. ;) Just for a change it's a pilots market out there.

erikv

26th December 2006, 09:52

The company broke our contract long ago. They imposed changes without consultation and changed terms and conditions that were clearly laid out in those contracts. That is an undisputed fact.
...
Now they are doing it again
Smeagel,
I've never denied this or used long prose to dress it up. I have on several occasions acknowledged the change from 6/5 to 18 days and I will do it again. Yes, it happened, it is an undisputed fact. My problem lies with some people presenting this as part of everyday life in NJE.
I have to disagree with your statement that they are doing it again. We've all been offered a new contract with an improvement in rosters, social security and tax issues. The French turn out to be worse off, because the tax deal they had before was out of this world. As you've been able to read in one of the questions and responses, we are able to stay on the old contract, although you might find the new one more interesting.
When we PM'ed in early 2005, before I joined, you promised me that I would be shafted and abused over and over again. During the 18 or so months since, I have not been shafted, but am about to receive my third pay-rise (fourth including upgrade), am getting a better roster, better vacation policy and have been treated more than fair when I needed a few days off for family matters. Although I agree that it is not perfect, you may understand that I don't need pink sunglasses to see a positive side.
Erik

Smeagel

26th December 2006, 23:47

Erik, the flowery prose is not yours. No offence but you're no poet ;)

I'm glad your deal has improved in your relatively short time in the company. Of course upgrades and fleet changes will do that for you. No guarantees of either for new hires.

The shaftings continue. Certain departments have yet to learn their lesson and are still enticing crew to extend a tour or reduce rest on the promise of something only to use the old excuse "we don't do deals". You and I know it's happening.

The point I am making is that we old salts have seen several unpleasant changes in the past and are no longer prepared to hang on in the hope that this time the company are telling the truth. They have lied to us before, why should we believe they will not do it again? In your case perhaps they have not had their 'three strikes and out'. The new deal is still not clear anyway, there are lots of loose ends.

Perhaps the past losses will have made them realise it's time to stop screwing the crew and those of you who stay will benefit. For many it's too little too late.

Bon chance.

LocaliserAlive

1st January 2007, 07:32

Hello everybody,

One or two questions for guys working there already. I made some research already but there is too much stuff to go through (and so little time!!) and I am getting confused the more I read through the threads.

1- Where are the aircrafts registered?
2- Do you get the gateway that you choose or does the company choose for you from a list?
3- What will be the approximate salary(basic + allowances) that an F/O based in France will bring back home (money in the pocket after taxes, contributions etc etc)
4- Same as 3 but for a Captain
5- What types do you operate in Netjets
6- How many days of leave(holidays) per year
7- Do you follow Portuguese legislation

Thank you for any response. I know one or two replies will ask me to do a search but it is not the most convenient means to get my answers.

Cheers and happy new year,

Loc
:ok:

checklist69

1st January 2007, 09:49

Spend some time here.....

http://www.netjetseurope.com/home.html?lang=eng

1. Portugal

7. Portuguese

'69

Flintstone

2nd January 2007, 06:39

I know one or two replies will ask me to do a search but it is not the most convenient means to get my answers.

I'm looking for a new laptop.

Someone nip down the shops and get it for me would you?

:8

LocaliserAlive

2nd January 2007, 07:32

Thank-you CL69 for the reply. Good information. Answers most of my questions.

However, I am not very familliar with the tax system in europe/france/portugal or any arrangement already in place there and would like a rough figure regarding the earnings after tax.

Thanks for any help.:ok:

Loc

Ps. Flintstone, you are just one of the guys I mentioned in my first post.:ugh:. Get a life mate.

Margarita

2nd January 2007, 07:59

You don't even need to use search function. Simply scroll down few inches and you have it all. Or is it too difficult for you? Somehow Europe seems to be full of young / low time fellows that are asking the same questions day after day. Please, read more and ask less. :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

2604

2nd January 2007, 10:35

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258068 :ok:

LocaliserAlive

2nd January 2007, 14:37

Thank you 2604, it is indeed very helpfull.

Margarita, you are number two after Flintstone. FYI, I am young, not from europe and have > 11000 hours including >5000 PIC, so :ugh:,please bitch less and get a life too mate!

Anyway, thanks to all that replied usefully and helped me,

Cheers,

Loc
:ok:

PicMas

2nd January 2007, 20:43

I am young and from Europe and have <11000 hours.
Is there some exemption from using the search function that comes with flight experience I should know about??

Are you just arrogant, or is your time really more valuable??

Remember you are asking your potential colleagues, no need for the "upset attitude! "

calypso

2nd January 2007, 21:02

I dunno anymore

Kit d'Rection KG

3rd January 2007, 19:05

Kindergarten time again. A few reasonable questions and the children come out to play...

checklist69

3rd January 2007, 21:02

Yep. Nasty little bu@@ers.

Good luck, Localiser.

:ok:

'69

pilotbear

3rd January 2007, 21:51

It is hard work to get into this business now and the people who make the effort and be seen to make an effort get there. There are a lot of candidates for every job now.....There is a least one person on this thread that you have insulted who has been in the business a long time, is very well connected and could have given you some good advice. People will assist you when it has been seen that you have done everything you can and have got stuck. But why should we if you are showing yourself to be lazy and rude? :hmm:

Flintstone

4th January 2007, 12:58

Ps. Flintstone, you are just one of the guys I mentioned in my first post.:ugh:. Get a life mate.

I have a life. It's flying business jets, something you want to do I think? That being the case (and the bizjet world being such a small one) it might be wise to temper that attitude. Insulting the very people you are asking for inside information from? Smart move:D

Given that I've answered dozens of queries in here over the years (you'd have known that if you'd bothered to search), written and received hundreds of emails and spent hours on the phone answering questions I'd say I could hardly be described as being unhelpful on the subject. It wears a bit thin though when someone rocks up and says something to the effect of "I can't be arsed to look, I know I'll get flamed for this but I'm going to do it anyway".

Others have made valid points, pilotbear summarises it nicely. If you've half an ounce of sense you'll take their comments to heart.

Somehow though, I doubt that'll be the case.:hmm:

justanotherpilottoo

5th January 2007, 06:59

This is quite amazing. I am quite new to this. One guy asks a few questions and he gets 2 good replies and 6 replies where he is called a :8,treated as low time/young, senseless, called lazy and rude,and arrogant by people who act as if they own the aviation business . Is this usual for this kind of forums? What happenned to all the rules we have to agree to when joining the pprune comunity?:confused:

PPRuNe Towers

5th January 2007, 07:24

Gosh,
Thanks for signing up just to lets know your thoughts on this one subject.

As the regulars will by now have popped up our friends' previous posts and checked out attitude and repeat behaviour they will understand better that you - being new to this and all.

Regards
Rob

Sergel

5th January 2007, 08:57

Yes, the answers to the questions should be easy find for somebody interested in joining Netjets (apart from the French tax law). I am myself hoping to join NJ in the future, and it took me 10 min to find most answers searching the NJ and PPRUNE webpages.
But still, people dont have to be unpolite. Checklist69 gave a nice and short answer, and people should of left it with that!!

Dont mind a funny comment now and then, but somebody doesnt seem to know where the border goes from being funny to rude..

Flintstone

5th January 2007, 09:11

As the regulars will by now have popped up our friends' previous posts and checked out attitude and repeat behaviour....

How on EARTH did you know I'd done that?

You're so clever they should put you in charge here;)

localiserreborn

6th January 2007, 07:51

Dear all, guess who I am.:ok: I am just hoping that the moderators will let at least just this one post to let me voice out my opinion. I have appealed for the ban to be lifted just for that but have not been read or considered. So this is the only alternative that's left to me otherwise it is webjail for the next 6 months.:{

Anyway, starting at the begining (of course?!?!).

Big apologies to everybody I might have insulted and replied to rudely. I take back(if possible) what was said and won't do it again.
Those who know me will certainly confirm that I certainly do not have an attitude problem but it is impossible to do that on the web. Stating my hours was only because Margarita started calling me names :{ (young/low hour fellow);) . I was just shooting back.
Please do not juge people on their posts only as many are specific to the situation they are experiencing and people reading these do not usually know the big picture (as we say) or the exact situation the guy who is posting is in.(This is valid for me as well I guess)
To explain my original post: I had been on the Netjets website some time ago (>6months) and at that time they did not have the info I was looking for concerning salaries. When I came back to the web more recently I admit I did not do a google search but I went on pprune through the threads and even did a search here. I did not find the info I was looking for although it might surprise a few of you! I found pages and pages of threads concerning the new conditions but not stating any figures, lots of posts from guys explaining why they want to leave, as many posts from guys saying they are happy and staying, posts about rosters, posts about taxes in portugal v/s in UK and some deal in france but not very clear and explicit, etc etc etc... I therefore, naively, posted my questions knowing some answers would ask me to search pprune (I have seen that happen a few times too). The whole thing ended up like a tennis game with the opponents hitting hard from the back. It was fun to watch and I was starting to enjoy myself too as some answers are so predictable!!!
Anyway, thanks for the replies from checklist69 and 2604 who quickly and politelty redirected me to the places I missed and were very helpfull.This was the intent of my original post and I thought that this was one of the aims of PPRUNE as well. Indeed Sergel has a very good point. Also it is difficult to know where humour starts and stops especially for guys like me who's first language is not English.
Now from the post by Mike Jenvey, I realise that I should have written "it was not the most convenient means ...", it might have made a small difference.So thats it for me for now. I want to reassure my ex-future-colleagues at netjets that I do not intend for the near future to change jobs so you won't have to fly with such an arrogant, rude, lazy pilot with an attitude like me. (I can't tell the future though). So stay cool.:cool: . I think you guys have a nice job.

Cheers,

Loc
:ok:

PS: how did I do?

Margarita

6th January 2007, 08:16

No worries, just fine with me. I didn't mean to call you in person for anything. Just pointed out that EUROPE seem to be full of these fellows asking the same questions day after day. Tried to point your interest just 2 inches down where on that time was the very info you were asking.... Sorry to hear your problem with Pprune.
Netjet seem to be a quality employer and they do have hundreds of pilots that are happy for the deal and life style they offer.
All the best!

localiserreborn

6th January 2007, 10:31

Banned?? Goodness me - one of the Mods must have got out of the wrong side of bed in the morning, we have had more "pointed" comments here before that have survived!

<<<< PS: how did I do? >>>>

I'd say 9.5 out 10! :ok: Oh, & I would have lost money on one thing - from your written words, I would have bet that you were English!! :D

I was quite surprised to be banned as well, considering I have seen things 100 times worse about my colleagues on this website, with 99.9% of it false and definitely aimed at damaging reputation. Anyway, if I am allowed to continue with this pseudo I will, otherwise I will talk to you again in 6 months when I am out of pprunejail. Concerning the language, I went to an english school but speak french at home. Anyway, we have a lot of expats in this company and a majority of english speaking fellows.

Margarita,

I found that when people are current on a thread and post on it regularly, they tend to think that everybody has been following it and assume that all info is out there. Unfortunately, it involves reading pages and pages of stuff to get some answers. Anyway, some may call it laziness but it is definitely a shortcut to ask direct questions to get direct answers. I have used the search function several times but I might have the wrong technique as I don't usually get good results!!

Anyway,

All the best to all.

Cheers,

Loc
:ok:

The Shooter

7th January 2007, 05:38

Given that I've answered dozens of queries in here over the years (you'd have known that if you'd bothered to search), written and received hundreds of emails and spent hours on the phone answering questions I'd say I could hardly be described as being unhelpful on the subject.

I have done some homework and checked your posts for the last year (I got sick of it afterwards) and not once have you been welcoming to questions and always told the poor blokes to f... off to a search. You did not seem very helpful to me. And I am sure the other ppruners regular to these threads cannot remember when was the last time you passed on useful information.:}

By the way, could you PM me with these technical quiz questions you have been passing on to everybody last year??:E

Scroll Lock

7th January 2007, 10:24

I think what has gotten peoples backs y\up is the constant begging for info on how to get into NJE. Alot of who joined some years ago had no help. We just did.

Stop being so damn lazy. Do a PPrune search. and stop being insulting to other people when they post a nice english sarcastic tongue in cheek reply.

Rant over.

Thanks :ok: Scroll Lock; couldn't have said better myself.4HP

Flintstone

8th January 2007, 23:27

I have done some homework and checked your posts for the last year (I got sick of it afterwards) and not once have you been welcoming to questions and always told the poor blokes to f... off to a search. You did not seem very helpful to me. And I am sure the other ppruners regular to these threads cannot remember when was the last time you passed on useful information.:}

"Other PPRuNe regulars"? You've been here a few days!! Oh, the irony. When I've been here as long as you have will I become the arbiter of who should do what?

(Moderators. Where's the 'laughing my @rse off' smiley?)

Why do you think I refer people to the search function? Maybe because after the first five years of answering the same questions I grew tired?

Have you considered whether I even work for Netjets any more?

A very old pilot once said to me "Son. The most dangerous thing in aviation after a junior officer with a map and compass is an untested assumption. A person could make themselves look very stupid acting on one of those".

Sage words indeed :hmm:

By the way, could you PM me with these technical quiz questions you have been passing on to everybody last year??:E

So you searched my posts and found that as well as telling people to f*ck off I also sent them the technical questions to help them pass the selection process? You then conclude "...... and not once have you been welcoming to questions.....".

Just what brand of idiot are you?

4HP. Can we have another troll please? This one's absolute rubbish.

The Shooter

9th January 2007, 06:36

(Moderators. Where's the 'laughing my @rse off' smiley?)

;);););)

Completely pulled your leg out mate. What a laugh, I love to go fishing when I know I am going to catch a big fish.

No harm meant at all. Stay cool. See you in another world.

:cool:

Flintstone

9th January 2007, 08:12

Doesn't count as a 'catch' when you've been seen through though, does it? Did you miss the "Can we have another troll please?"

Try again.

youngskywalker

9th January 2007, 09:33

Slight thread creep here so I apologise...

I'm looking for any info on joining the netjets middle east operation?

I have searched the netjets website but it only seems to give pilot recruitment info' for Europe and the USA. As I only have FAA qualifications (British citizen) I can't work for the Europe operation and I can't live in the States.

Does anybody know if you can live in Europe and commute to the middle east if you work for them, or do you need to be based and live there also? I believe they have a roster that is roughly one month on/one month off which is quite appealing to me.

Many thanks for any information

Flintstone

9th January 2007, 09:43

What you hear is right. The NJME roster is 35 on/31 off.

They fly you in and out from wherever you are based. I think on average you spend 40-50% of your time in Saudi, the rest outside the country.

Not sure which position you'd be applying for and I'm slightly out of touch with the pay scales but last I heard the salary for a Falcon 2000 captain was around the $100,000 mark. Per diems are $100, paid in advance. Contract typically three years with a loyalty bonus if you stay the distance.

They also have Hawkers and Gulfstreams. No idea on salaries.

youngskywalker

9th January 2007, 16:42

Many thanks for that. I doubt that I have the experience levels that they would like yet, but no harm in trying I guess.

Flintstone

10th January 2007, 13:55

Last time I had anything to do woth recruitment for NJME the min requirement was 1500 hours.

If you need any more info feel free to PM me.

Kit d'Rection KG

11th January 2007, 22:24

Well, aside from discussing a website with some policies which make the Stazi look like the girl guides...

Really, what is wrong with asking some straightforward questions? No, the answers are not there to be found with a simple search, there being a good deal of imprecision in some discussions.

If you don't want to answer, don’t.

If you want to be helpful, do.

But don't hide behind the pathetic anonymity in a web forum to display behaviour that would get you into trouble at your ‘local’.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again… Kindergarten, kindergarten…

Flintstone

11th January 2007, 22:59

No, the answers are not there to be found with a simple search,

I disagree.

For years now the same questions have been asked. Not surprising as those thinking about applying want to know the same things. Pay, T&C, gateways, progression, fleets and the interview/selection process. There are few if any secrets.

As far as initial enquiries go that just about covers it and I guarantee the answers are in the archives if you can be bothered to look. I know for sure I've answered all of the above more than once.

A bit of initiative also leads to the company website (hardly the greatest contribution to IT I'll agree) which also yields one or two snippets.

Two years ago we would interview up to 30 people a day for three days at a time. The vast majority of those managed to dig up enough information to impress the panel. Why is it wrong to expect others to demonstrate the same degree of initiative?

ginopino

12th January 2007, 08:52

Can somebody give me any infos about the english test and technical quiz ? .....also via PM.....
Thank you very much !!!:ok:

localiserreborn

12th January 2007, 18:15

Really, what is wrong with asking some straightforward questions? No, the answers are not there to be found with a simple search, there being a good deal of imprecision in some discussions.

If you don't want to answer, don’t.

If you want to be helpful, do.

But don't hide behind the pathetic anonymity in a web forum to display behaviour that would get you into trouble at your ‘local’.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

swampthing

12th January 2007, 20:42

Can anybody give an acurate summary of what to expect at the Netjets interview in Farnborough.. i.e type of questions etc.. what was the sim ride like and what is expected of you ?:ooh:

south coast

12th January 2007, 22:04

Over to you Flintstone.

Flintstone

12th January 2007, 23:55

That was a well thought out response localiser.

Just think. In the time it took you to click the little smiley 15 times not only could you have researched the entire history of NJE but you'd aslo have been able to search out the interview format.

Go you ;)

Perhaps you would like to Google 'meaningful response' too while you're about it?

As for using the anonymity of this forum I'd happily give you my real name. In fact I'd wager that most of the long term users here already know. It's never been a secret.

swampthing

13th January 2007, 10:05

Over to you Flintstone.

Very accurate.. very very accurate :ugh:

south coast

13th January 2007, 10:36

Did you read any of the other threads relating to this topic covered in the past, even on going in this forum now.

Perhaps then, if there were still points that were not covered people might be inclined to answer a specific point, but you are asking general questions covered to death.

And before the moaners start to complain, a thread(s) was/were started ages ago on this topic, there were pages of the types of questions asked in the interview, the technical test and what the sim ride involved.

swampthing

13th January 2007, 16:49

:mad:

I try south coast .. I really try..:{ but there is so much BULL:mad: here that it seems I have to showel through 10 000lbs of it to get to 1lbs of truth... so i guess YOU don't have any words of wisdom then ??? :zzz:

Flintstone

13th January 2007, 18:05

You're doing fine on your own SC;)

Swampthing, you have mail.

south coast

13th January 2007, 18:35

What do you mean Flintstone, am I really on my own ?:rolleyes:

Swampy, send me your email address and I will send you what I used, bearing in mind I should imagine the test has since changed, but might give you an idea at least.

Flintstone

13th January 2007, 19:36

What do you mean Flintstone, am I really on my own ?:rolleyes:

Yep. The rest of us are just figments of your imagination.

As for the voices....................

flyermd

14th January 2007, 16:02

hi everybody!
don't want to sound stupid, but i haven't been able to find out one answer: what happens with someone who passes the interview, picks a base but he doesn't live 1 hour away from it. does the company provides acc. in this kind of situations or you are on your own regarding accomodation? thank a lot. any pm with some questions from latest interviews are much appreciated.

Overheat

14th January 2007, 16:48

By contract you have to live one hour away from your gateway airport.
Ok, you live 1h30... no problem, you'll briefed on the day prior of the time you'll have to checkin and you can make your own self arrangements to be there on time.
The only issue might raise when you're home stand by. By Ops Manual you have 45 minutes to leave your house, onde hour drive to the airport plus one hour checkin time (2h45 total). If you live a far from your gateway, the solution is for you to be ready to go and take those 45 minutes for the travel time. For sure there's an airport 1h45 minutes from your house right? There are so many already approved gateways... and more to come...
On some ocasions, when you get a relly early show, your Fleet Manager will approve a hotel room for you to stay overnight close from the airport and comply with the brief you recieve. You just have to ask and the good thing about NJE is that the company asks for the crews flexibility... but the company is also flexible on this kind of issues as long as the law is complyed. Not saying it will be always approved, this is the kind of things that is check case by case.
Wish you the best of lucks :ok:

warmfront

16th January 2007, 13:41

ok, lots of threads on this one. but nothing that new: i know the general outline for the interview day but some UP TO DATE info on the tech?english exams, the sim and the interview would but really useful.

Scroll Lock

16th January 2007, 14:10

Warmfront.

Why don't you hire a Netjets Pilot to do the Interview, test and sim ride for you hey ?? Then you actually won't have to do anything at all. You can just be a lazy bum and sit on pprune all day sending stupid comments like the one above.

I, and indeed many others like me had no help whatsoever in joing the said company. Personally, if I were to be doing your interview, which I might you know, I would mark you down already as a lazy pilot with no self drive and someone who doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

Stop asking for the answers and just do it yourself. "IF" you pass and are asked to join, then you will feel much better about yourself, knowing you DID IT ON YOUR OWN. :ugh: :ugh:

I'm not especially picking on you, so don't go and get all personal on me. OK?

P.s, good luck, by the way.

SL

warmfront

16th January 2007, 14:50

Scroll Lock,

I have to say that that was a bit harsh. :oh:

I merely asked for the latest information, laziness would be to do nothing. To me, passing of an ATP exam should be more than enough, the focus should really be on the individuals personal attributes, that is to say how he/she will fit in.

I hope I stay fit as I would hate for someone to have to help me cross the road one day!

Regards
WF

south coast

16th January 2007, 15:14

Hand bags down!

What would you expect to be in an interview or tech quiz.

Lets think...

1. Some basic JAR-OPS perhaps, took me an hour to think that one up.
2. Some questions on your most current type, that one took 25 mins.
3. Some questions about jets/high speed flight, that one took a while, more than an hour.
4. Some questions about yourself, that was an easy one, 10 mins.
5. Some questions about why you want to join NJ, tricky, but 20 mins.
6. Some, 'what if....' scenarios, 2 hours for that one.

So, you can see Scroll lock and Flintstone, it is not easy trying to get information for an interview, look how long it took me!

warmfront

16th January 2007, 16:04

Sorry guys but I for one do not believe for one minute that anyone goes to an interview without first trying to find out what is likely to be asked or tested… and I’m not just talking about aviation here.

I fully understand that some may not want to pass that information on, and I have no qualms about that at all. But, if as an individual you don’t want to or have no information to give then why answer?

There wouldn’t be many pilots flying today if every pilot handed in their notice because they had received some inside info on interviews, test, sim rides etc etc…. or am I wrong.

WF

newton69

16th January 2007, 19:37

I have to agree with the last couple of posts. Yes we stupid wantabes ask the same questions again and again but was this thread titled " Netjets recrutment" ??? What the hell am I going to ask who won the 1958 world cup!!!!!!!:ugh: Interviews are nervewracking always was always willbe , most asking questions are only looking for confermation on what they already know.

I have " Searched" and yes I have found 90% of the answers but only after reading a lot of " Handbag " arguments. which get quite boaring if you read any thread on pprune you get the impression that RA , Easy , BA, Virgin, even :mad: NASA are crapholes !

This is only a suggestion but........ Has anybody written a specific "NETJETS All the interview info you need" and a Seperate " Is Netjets Good or is it a S### hole " Threads ??

And At last my Question. I was told you pay social insurance in the UK the 25% tax in portugal is the the end of it or do you then have to pay extra in whichever country you live ( assuming its not the UK or Portugal )

Be gentle with me :( Sniff Sniff :ouch:

warmfront

16th January 2007, 20:14

newton69,

Thanks for that, like most i'm just after the most up to date info.. life would be so much easyier without us wantabes

Brazil won in 58.... who else :) ... i like to give info as well as request it :ok:

WF

south coast

16th January 2007, 21:04

The points I made are the stuff they ask...

I cant give you exact questions because as I am sure you can appreciate, they do change the material, but thats the basics.

If you know that kind of stuff, you will be fine.

cabbott1

18th January 2007, 22:53

Hi Guys

Can anyone tell me if Captain Skip Geddes still flys for Netjets and if he is still Director of European Operations.

Best Regards

Overheat

18th January 2007, 23:37

Good evening Cabbott.
I believe Skip is now in NJE middle east and most likely will be the special one choosen for the new... surprise in Asia :O so I eared.

Overheat

18th January 2007, 23:49

And to you all looking for the important stuff.
When you get the phone interview, just be honest. Don't say something you're not sure. Don't speak like you know everything, be humble.
If you don't know the answer, say that you don't know, but for sure you'll know where to find it right? So just say that.
They are not looking for the Super Pilot who knows everything (like smeagel:ugh: ) It's natural that we're not current in some stuff... come on, we finished our ATPL for what? 10 years!!! We're current on day to day operations. Most likely that is what ther will ask you. Whats the minimum RVR for T/O or LVO procedures... stuff like that, that we use every day. If they ask you something out of the "normal operations" if you know the answer great, if you don't and you're honest, you'll not faill. Believe me. I know all of the guys and girls who call. They all say the same thing. All are pilots and they were once on the other side too. So, just put your selfs in their place :ok: .

falconbis

19th January 2007, 16:54

I agree with overheat, considering the level of pilots entering the company eg : on the past three months I flew only with CPL rarely with ATPL and piston or light turboprop time with no command experiences all GA or small commuter! so don t worry it's seems that its very difficult to fail a netjets interview right now :ok:

Sgnr de L'Atlantique

21st January 2007, 18:13

Hi Guys,

I tried the search function but I did not find any recent info regarding the following...

What would be the easiest and most convenient way to travel from LGW or LHR to Farnborough?

I could use the info beforehand, enough stress allready:ok:

Thanks

ALOHA

23rd January 2007, 17:44

Would somebody who attended the interview on 19th like to enlighten us with the latest information of interview. Is the tech exam still the same as described by south coast and how was the english test like. Is it verbal reasoning or something different and what simulator are they using? Thats all!!! I would very much appreciate for your time and help.
Aloha

Twin2040

24th January 2007, 15:16

Hi ALOHA!! Good idea - I am going for the interview on 310107 in Paris - they told me Sim Check on Embraer 145 - lets have the latest info Boys and Girls............... Twin2040

redsnail

24th January 2007, 20:29

I haven't done that particular sim check but they're pretty much the same.

Can you fly?
Can you scan on a glass instrument cockpit?
Do you have enough SA to not do a level bust? ie local QNH to Standard etc.
How's your CRM?
Can you do an approach?
How do you handle different stuff?

If you're a competent multi crew pilot currently flying sophisticated equipment and have good CRM and don't blow any altitudes, then it's not hard. If you're not flying glass etc, some allowance is made, but, if you bust altitudes or minimas etc, it's a no go.

ALOHA

25th January 2007, 21:22

Thanks red snail greatly appreciated your advice!!

joacolaspalmas

26th January 2007, 17:54

Can anyone tell me about the selection process and the sim checks at NetJets?? I NEED YOUR HELP!! I'm on the interview next month.

Twin2040

2nd February 2007, 17:55

Hi - here is a little info. Some of you did PM me before I did go to the interview - that you where looking for info from me after the interview - but I put it in public so everybody an see and might even use some the info.

First introduction from one of the staff from recruitment. Very friendly person.
Another introduction from one of the pilots - today with the interview board.

Then English test - not easy at all and you can not really prepare.
Text sample could be a part of a newspaper article. Then questions: True. False or I can not know. The tricky part is that you very fast starts to read between the lines and by doing so - you end up choosing wrong answer.
20 pieces of text in 30 min.

Then technical quiz. Again on time. 30 questions in 20 min. ALL kind of stuff. Like taken out of ATPL exam - good if you are fresh out of pilot school - less good if you have been flying for years..............
All of the guys attending that day experienced.

5 min sim briefing.

Go to the sim and do your stuff. All had different senerios - but nothing like V1 cut or Engine fire. Fly the aircraft, CRM, take the right disicions.........
I had to fly from Birmingham to Aberdeen with EMA as tkof alt.
Flew the SID got fire on lavatory, Called for masks on, non normal CL, asked PNF to send mayday and vectors for EMA. Not possible due to radar U/S. Handed over controls, did briefing, controls back and flew full procedure ILS. Landed and EVAC on Rwy...............
Very smart jet - Embraer145 - but not to my benefit that day. I fly a "MK 1" EFIS type so pretty much lost on speed tapes etc. All glass........
Suggest that you find a picture and study.

Finally interview. The pilot from introduction starts asking about your CV, career so far................
Second pilot asks questions. All had different questions - some high altitude jet related - mach stuff.......
I was asked about segments, minima - nothing bad
Third person asks you customer or owner.... related questions

Friendly bunch and now awaiting answer.

Cheers. Twin2040

learjet

3rd February 2007, 11:08

Hi Twin2040
Could you give an example of the english test. Like do you fill in missing words or?
Where did you do your assessment?

Cheers

Twin2040

3rd February 2007, 12:32

Well - an example could be my post. You read it and then they ask you - could this be true - false - or I can not know /

Like do you have 5 min to prepare your simcheck, your answer would be true. If the questions is: you have at least 5 min to....................., your answer would be, I can not know.

Test at Le Bourget.

Held og lykke.

learjet

3rd February 2007, 14:55

Hi Twin2040,

Tak skal du ha'

Morningstar

3rd February 2007, 15:08

Hello Folks,

Just one question for those who did the telephone interview recently: How long did it take from the phone interview to the actual screening in Paris or Farnborough ?

They called me about 4 weeks ago for the interview, told me thereafter that it was all right and that I would be invitied, but I haven't heard from them since.

Any idea or similar experience ? Would appreciate your opinion.

Rgds,
Morningstar

learjet

6th February 2007, 18:21

Hi, I just got my sim info, and it seems like I'm only supposed to do an interview of approx. 30 min and thereafter a simulator of another hour. Could anyone in here confirm this?

My interview/Sim will be in Farnborough.

Cheers

Twin2040

7th February 2007, 06:55

Hi again. You have to do 4 different things - tests and interviews. We all did the English test first. Thereafter some went for interview - others for sim briefing. I think none did all 4 things in same sequence.

Pilotmnk

8th February 2007, 10:55

Hey Learjet,

I will have the interview at Farnborough the 16th of February. I got an invitation and it said 30 minutes interview and 1 hour of sim so....... Could be true.

learjet

8th February 2007, 14:21

Hi,

Let's hope for the best!

transilvana

9th February 2007, 09:01

Hi ppruners

I got a call from Netjets 2 weeks ago and they told me that the interview would be end of this month, do you know how long it takes to call you back? do they phone you, send email or letter? I´m all day flying and my phone is off so I don´t know how they contact you

Twin2040

9th February 2007, 17:39

How long did it take ?

Send my C.V / reply from Carmen within 2 hours, with attached application.
Returned application / reply from Carmen within 24 hours = no thanks.

Called eks. colleque - now within NJE - he talks to Carmen.

Carmen sends new application form within 2 hours and said my first application was filed wrong - no problem - glad again.

Send second application form - gets telephone interview same afternoon and gets 4 dates for interview.

Interview on 310107. Got the answer from Carmen today - welcome aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to start in March.

4HolerPoler

9th February 2007, 19:38

Well done Sir :ok:

May you set the example for so many others - i.e. there are ways of getting things done; they may not always be apparent but "if there's a will, there's a way."

Nuff said.

Except, congrats again.

4HP

Kit d'Rection KG

11th February 2007, 09:28

Does anyone here have a list of 'gateway' airports, by any chance?

If so, would you be kind enough to post it or PM me with it, please?

Thanks,

Kit

PS, I have trawled through and failed to locate it - if it's here...

yacan

11th February 2007, 09:39

it's all on the website: www.netjetseurope.com (http://www.netjetseurope.com)

Gateways Our flight deck crew may live at their choice of NetJets' 42 gateways, which are:
Brussels Frankfurt Hamburg Cologne Düsseldorf Munich Stuttgart Berlin Helsinki Manchester Luton Gatwick Heathrow Aberdeen Glasgow Edinburgh Stansted Amsterdam Dublin Copenhagen Oslo Warsaw Stockholm Barcelona Madrid Malaga Bordeaux Toulouse Lyon Marseille Nice Paris Basel Budapest Milan Venice Rome Prague Vienna Lisbon Geneva Zurich

Kit d'Rection KG

11th February 2007, 10:14

Thanks yacan,

That part of the website didn't work for me on my other connection.

Kit

nimrod1690

13th February 2007, 19:56

I applied on line two weeks ago, got an e-mail from Carmen, "we have received your application form, we will contact you if we require any more information"

Is this a polite way of saying thanks but no thanks? Are they still looking for FOs? What was the response times of receiving application forms to telephone interview for those whom recently have been so lucky to be invited to interview.

Thanks for any info.

dominick hide

15th February 2007, 11:07

no this is a standard response, if they say they will contact you ! they will ! be ready for a telephone interview it will come out of the blue ! good luck :)

DH

Taxi2parking

15th February 2007, 12:25

Nimrod1690

If your ID is anything to go by I think you will be getting a call in the near future - good luck:O

WxBrief

16th February 2007, 12:09

Hi
Any Swede with ESSA gateway, need taxation info please! :)

efis78

20th February 2007, 23:06

Hi Nimrod,
From the moment I sent my CV and application form to the phone interview, it took about 2 weeks.

Hope it helps,
Efis

efis78

20th February 2007, 23:26

By the way,

Can any of the guys from Netjets tell me if the yearly salary in the Netjets Europe website is before or after taxes?

Thanks all,

Efis

Aussie

20th February 2007, 23:29

Its before paying tax!

Aussie

fred_bgt

22nd February 2007, 18:43

to repeat what I've looked on this site a month ago, taxes are as followed :

for FO's :
gross salary = 56500
- 8% of National Insurance tax to the UK
- 25% of income tax to Portugal

=> 56500 - 8% ~ 52000 €
52000 - 25% ~ 39000 € ~ 3250 € / month net salary

Then you can add extra days if you comply with (~250€/month) and per diem. But per diem are used to pay food, transportation to your gateway, ...etc.
For CPT, do the same calculation and you'll find ~ 5400€/month without per diem and extra days.

I suggest you contact the income tax department of your country to check if there is any agreement between Portugal and your country. In Europe, some countries have it and it is not necessary to pay other taxes in our own country. Northern countries don't seem to have these agreement:sad:

fred

erikv

23rd February 2007, 05:54

fred,

I believe the 25% and the 8% are both taken out of the basic sum of 56500.

NI: 8% of 56500 = 4520
Tax: 25% of 56500 = 14125

56500-4520-12125 = 37885, roughly 3150 per month.

Erik

falconbis

23rd February 2007, 07:07

Erik you are absolutly right !

fred_bgt

23rd February 2007, 09:11

Hi !

I've been told by NJ that it is not 8% but 6%. But they are not sure. And 6% on total sum represents 8% in my calculation.

Anyway, if you are absolutely sure of your datas, I trust you ! How and where did you get those figures gentlemen ?

cheers

fred

CL300

23rd February 2007, 16:37

They get the figures from Human ressources that outlined them widely when presenting the new contract.
:\

falconbis

23rd February 2007, 19:34

NI 4990 euros a year fixe compulsory for every employees ! for some this equal 5% of salary , for other 8 % even 9% for the flight attendant ...

Oldsalt

24th February 2007, 11:01

Anyone from Farnborough interviews 14/15/16th Feb heard anything yet?

Sgnr de L'Atlantique

25th February 2007, 11:45

So as a capt, after all the extras are paid, you will get about 6910 euros in your account and not the rumoured 7500 euros?

Is that correct?

Same as FO, max of 4600 euros?

Correct or not?

CL300

25th February 2007, 13:32

First year captain you are going to make more or less 5550 € a month on which you can add per diem if you wish 200 days of duty maximum minus 22 days of vacation = 178 days * 70 = 12460 / 12 = 1038 € / month. Plus 6 Extra days guaranteed IF you apply for them = 6000 € for a captain minus Tax (25%) = 375€ a month . sum it up : 5550+375+1038 = 6963 €
On this figure you did not get sick, never use a cent for food while on tour, nor had to pay transport to/from Gateway.

The only thing being certain is that you are NOT going to work MORE than 200 days per year or 50 days per quarter, 6/5 is only certain if you do not take vacation or if you do not have training.my roster end february early April is 4ON/4OFF 9ON/4OFF 4ON/4OFF 6ON/5OFF
9 days are for recurrent training in USA so I cannot pretend to the 6/5 the 4ON following is recurrent training in Lisbon , so there is no 6/5 either. The 6/5 works when you have Flying duties.

Hope it helps to clarify

Tigerzet

25th February 2007, 14:47

Hi all

I have a interview with NJ in March in paris.
So i'm hear and looking for info, like tech questions and thinks like that.

smallfry

25th February 2007, 16:02

Here we go again...... incoming!
:}

Flintstone

26th February 2007, 01:19

Not me this time.:rolleyes:

Someone else can have a go:E

bizantin

26th February 2007, 07:08

Carefull for scandinavians, the tax is definitely not a good deal for us so far. We are taxed 25%+6%UK benefits + normal danish taxes!!!! I have to leave the company and look for something else if the plan is still the same. Can't afford it.

Sergel

26th February 2007, 08:30

OK, for those who has a problem using the search function ;) . This is some of the interview questions I have found on pprune in the past.

Know the fleets and the role Netjets plays.
Know what Netjets does.
Know the aircraft that you're currently flying.
If you're a non native English speaker, make sure you're pretty fluent.

Questions other ppruners has posted:

What altitude would you expect to cross the threshold at on an ILS approach?

Passenger wont turn off his cellphone before takeoff - What do you do?

Minimum climb gradient if there is no climb gradient specified on the SID?

Would you consider a broken cloud layer a ceiling?

What is Stall ?

What is screen height ?

What is a clearway ?

Relation between V1 an Vr

What prevents the airflow over a swept back wing to flow span wise ?

Minimum climb gradient of a SID ?

What is V1 ?

Where from the beginning of a Rwy is the Aiming point, if you fly a 3degree glidepath ?

What is a balanced rwy?

how do you calculate your V/S

what's VASI PAPI

what's RVSN ETOPS

What is LDA?

When is lightning most likely to occur?

What is the Critical Point?

What happens to the mach speed when weight decreases as you burn fuel?

But now that I have posted these questions in one reply, they will probably change them :}.

So study the book "How to ace the pilot technical interview" and you should be fine.

Good Luck to all of you:ok: ........

Pilotmnk

26th February 2007, 08:47

"Anyone from Farnborough interviews 14/15/16th Feb heard anything yet?"

Did the interview on the 16th but no news jet!! :ugh: No news, good news?? :confused:

When did you go for the NJ interviews Oldsalt??

aerobrain

27th February 2007, 13:09

Thinking about joining NJE and with an average or below experience (4000 TT,1500 jet),I was wondering who is crewing the large cabin right seat since it seems that as long as you have more then 3000TT you are joining the bravo/400 fleet for a fast track command.
Are the less experienced/ab initio going direct to the big ones in order to build some hours or do you have to go back to the right seat large cabin as a bravo/400 captain if you want to upgrade or did I miss something?:confused:

Sgnr de L'Atlantique

27th February 2007, 16:34

You can join on the HS 750/800 aswell. And dont forget the Excel.....

One thing is sure....if you have more than 3000TT you could be egible for fast command ( ! many parameters apply!). In that case, you will not be put on a large aircraft ( well...relatively large anyway..) because those type ratings cost much more so you will be stuck longer on the right seat.

So with experience you join on the small/medium cabin aircraft.

Remember as well, upgrades are only done on these machines. Only after having put in a certain time on these planes you might move up to the long range ones...

Pilotmnk

1st March 2007, 08:51

YES! :D Got the call 2 days ago! I'm in!! :eek: Starting the INDOC on the 19th of March. Anyone else from the Farnborough interviews with good news??

south coast

1st March 2007, 09:19

Not more fukcing Dutch!

:) :)

efis78

1st March 2007, 09:46

Congrats Pilotmnk! :D

BTW, do you know already what type you'll be flying?

Efis

cvfly

1st March 2007, 10:43

and here there is another one..got the yes call yesterday..:)

Pilotmnk

1st March 2007, 12:12

Hahahaha thanks guys!! Are the Dutch that bad? :O Well I'll be whatever the owners want me to be!! That's the spirit!! ;)

Don't know the type yet but they told me that information is provided on the INDOC course.

Can't wait!!! :ok:

falconbis

2nd March 2007, 11:38

Congrat to you mate, just for my info what you total time and background. thanks

Flintstone

3rd March 2007, 12:16

The Dutch? They're alright, just like rude Germans :p http://www.barryboys.co.uk/phpBB2/images/smiles/raining.gif

Anyone ever noticed how tall the Dutch are? I reckon it's natural selection. When most of the country is six feet below sea only the tall ones live long enough to breed. The shortarses drown:E

I know, I know. My inbox will now be filled with hate mail:rolleyes:

difrips

3rd March 2007, 14:11

and here is another one....got the call two weeks ago....

Not Dutch but close enough................:mad:

Good luck to you all...

sjoerd

3rd March 2007, 17:33

got the call about 2 weeks ago, indoc in april
another dutch guy for Netjets

falconbis

3rd March 2007, 21:11

we need so many people and since some guys who have been offer the job didn t turn up at the indoc (5 out of 18 only shows up ) they are less pickie and you really have to screw up to not be taken, even a french guys with fake background have been accept....

Pilotmnk

4th March 2007, 10:39

Do they send you the info about the INDOC by mail or e-mail?? INDOC the 16th of April!! :ok:

Thanks

PPRuNeUser0215

4th March 2007, 11:10

By email including your travel arrangements/hotel etc...

As for finding your type, I knew which one I was one about 2 week prior the indoc as it was written on my contract with other bond details.
At the time at least, finding out so early was highly unusual. I am not sure what is the norm these days though so perhaps newly recruited guys (this year) could tell us about it.

CL300

4th March 2007, 13:43

Still a big mistery, sometimes they know the fleet affectation only two or three days prior :eek: I mean not the indoctrinated but the indoctrinators... :)

SuperHornet

4th March 2007, 22:33

The Feb07 INDOCs found out what type they got when they walked in the classroom on day 1. At the desk with your nameplate on it was a folder with a nice picture of an aircraft. Guess what? That's the aircraft you're going to fly! ;)

Smeagel

5th March 2007, 09:08

As CL300 says though it does not always happen that way. In fact such foresight is the exception to the rule.

Which might explain (in part) the difficulty the company have in attracting more experienced crew. Not everyone is prepared to accept a job offer without knowing what type of aircraft they will fly. Huge gamble.

Flip Flap

5th March 2007, 09:32

Just a quickie on the subject of the experience levels that NetJets are attracting.

I recently passed an assessment at Farnbororough and was both surprised and delighted by the very high levels of experience possessed by the other candidates on the day. And only about one third of us were successful in getting through what I can only describe as a very detailed examination of our suitability for a position within the company.

I know of many people who have been through the process recently and have not been offered a position. They do not take 'anybody'.....

PPRuNeUser0215

5th March 2007, 16:23

Firm seats... No challenge other than making it on time to your airline armed with your airmiles/frequent flyer card of course.
Plus jumpseating in Europe is highly unlikely.

piloten

12th March 2007, 12:08

Is it the same salary, no mather which type you are placed on?

barista

12th March 2007, 15:46

Yes, same salary, no differential.

Unless you are a LTC who say he want to quit then the offer you an extra 50%:rolleyes:

BA299

13th March 2007, 14:01

Hi all,
I'm considering to send my application to NJE. My favorite gateway will be Milan or Frankfurt. On which airplane should I expect to fly?? Is there any link btw gateway and fleet assignmant??

AUTO/MAN

13th March 2007, 23:04

As one considering Netjets as a possible career jump from the airline side of the fence, there are a few questions I haven´t been able to sort out yet and I´m hoping for a kind reply from current NJ pilots.
The travel from your gateway, is that business or just a confirmed ticket in economy? Not wanting to sound like a kcid, but living at one of the outskirt gateways and familiar with the sometimes excessive traveltimes, this could be an issue if rostered to fly upon arrival to location of a/c.
Roster security. Signing up for a 6/5, does it work or not (and yes I read the 38 previous pages...)?
Would love the lifestyle, however the only way of selling this to the household government in lieu of current status, would be the fixed roster.
As I understand there is no staff travel, but are the hotels downroute available/suitable for family if one has to spend freedays downroute after "suitable notice"?
Regards, A/M

AUTO/MAN

14th March 2007, 18:17

Thank You very much for your quick and informative reply M.J., Pprune at it´s best!:ok:
A/M

Lightheart

15th March 2007, 18:55

Hi,

Have looked at the enrty requirements for NJE and see that you need 1500hrs tt and ME rating.

I have 750 TT but including 500hrs multi crew experience in a TP.

Would anyone know whether they would take these hrs into account, or are they very strict with the 1500 rule?

Any news on the Spanish bases re demand for pilots there?

Any info appreciated.

CMN

16th March 2007, 09:28

I have almost 2000 hours, 1000 turboprop. But very limited ME time.
I thougt the 1500 hour requirement also included a ME time requirement.
Will I be looked down upon with 'only' 1900 hours, 1100 PIC, 1000 turbine and 150 hours ME?

thanks Mike, You provide usefull details again and again...

PPRuNeUser0215

18th March 2007, 16:01

As I understand there is no staff travel, but are the hotels downroute available/suitable for family if one has to spend freedays downroute after "suitable notice"?

Not such a thing as "suitable notice" sp unless your family is in the area for a reason other than seeing you (visiting relatives perhaps), they could well find themselves on their own. Personally I would'nt take the chance but others might think otherwise. It can change right until the last minute unless you go to the sim, LIS or the sim in the States which is of course different.
Saying that, like you say, there is no staff travel but you collect points and miles in hotels and airlines and what I tend to do, is to put all my rewards on the the same airline frequent flyer so I can enjoy a longhaul business class trip somewhere far away.
The travel from your gateway, is that business or just a confirmed ticket in economy?
There is a recent post on that one by Mike Jenvey. Unless the airline flights are more than 6 hours long, it is economy. Yet it doesn't mean this is what you ll get but you certainly should expect it and hope for better. I usually get upgraded during boarding so I don't make it an issue. Longhaul business though is important in my opinion.
Roster security. Signing up for a 6/5, does it work or not (and yes I read the 38 previous pages...)?
Whatever is published is what you will be doing (unless real problem). Your days off are yours but you belong to them from day One 0001 til day Six 2359. I see it like that so I am usually pleased with the actual duty (Day one airline check in around 6.30am and day 6.... Home between 1800 and 2400).

jeanjambre

18th March 2007, 22:03

"Anyone from Le Bourget interviews Feb 25th"

I would like to know if anyone has pass the selection?

I should start the INDOC course on Apr 16th.

Ciao to anybody.

Flip Flap

19th March 2007, 15:25

Friend of mine was at that assesment and has received the 'Yes' call from Lisbon. Just awaiting references before offer letter issued.

AUTO/MAN

20th March 2007, 01:26

Thanks AMEX! Pretty much sums up what I was expecting and willing to commit to. The reason for asking about the hotel standards was that I understood that you sometimes might find yourself spending your freedays on the road after suitable notice from the employer. Old info perhaps?

erikv

20th March 2007, 05:55

AUTO/MAN

I think AMEX misread your question. You can spend your days off somewhere else indeed. It's called temporary gateway change and as easy as sending an email to a special address.

If you'd want to use one of the standard hotels, travel will be happy to help you get the special rates.

Erik

PPRuNeUser0215

20th March 2007, 08:43

;) Got freedays and days off mixed up I think.
Freedays for me were days sitting in a nice part of the world, in the sun whislt on duty but with no flying.

Days off... Probably doing the same thing but not on company duty.:cool:

Otherwise as per Eirk's comment.

efis78

20th March 2007, 16:55

Hi all,

Just got the call today...I'm in :O

I'm suppose to start the INDOC on the 16th of April.

Thanks for the help of everyone here. Hope to see some in those friendly "Fraction" skies

Best to all
Efis

Bonzoboy

22nd March 2007, 01:01

Well done. I have my assessment day coming up soon.....would love to be there on the 16th too. Got any tips?

Fly me to the moon

22nd March 2007, 11:13

Work on your fuel/met/perf regulations. Smile ! Keep cool, they are nice people (But Pro !). Be proactive in their scenarios. Imagine your reaction with things as : Scared pax, drunk pax, too much luggage, changing destination airport in flight etc...
Never forget (For the interview as well as the sim) : First- Fly the plane!! Safety first. Then navigate decide and communicate. All other stuff is poetry!
Good luck:ok:

efis78

22nd March 2007, 16:51

Exactly the same advice. Revise all those basics about fuel, alternates, perf, intrument procedures, etc. They're very nice, like said before, they try to relax you under a professional environment. The sim, as for me, wasn't that hard. All raw data, no auto pilot, tracking some VOR's on the SID then radar vectors for an ILS. The interview itself is again focused on some basics and commercial scenarios. Music too loud in the back, pax that dosn't want to fasten his seat belt, in flight diversion, too much baggage, etc, etc

I'm sure things will turn out for the best. Hope to see u there aswell.

Regards,
Efis

Bonzoboy

22nd March 2007, 19:13

Thanks for that. Ive got my fingers crossed. Cheers

rotorknight

23rd March 2007, 13:38

Hi there.is there anybody that has heard anything from the interview session from the 11th to the 15th of March yet.
I have not heard a peep yet so I still hope that is a good sign,we will see:ok:

efis78

23rd March 2007, 15:46

I'm from the March 11th interview....at Le Bourget

Cheers

Efis

rotorknight

23rd March 2007, 16:52

Congrats Efis,

I did my session in Farnborough so I'll just hope for the call after the weekend.

Cheers

jeanjambre

23rd March 2007, 17:35

Hi to everibody, just to confirm the nje timing for the call. I did my assesment test on Feb 25th and received the wonderfull call on march 5th. I'm in for the indoc apr 16th.
Good luck to everibody.
PS: I also received today the offer letter.
Ciao ciao:ok:

efis78

24th March 2007, 15:52

I did my interview on March the 11th, got the call on March the 20th and I'm in for the INDOC of April the 16th. Still waiting for the letter though...

Regards to all

Efis

CMN

28th March 2007, 07:19

To you newly accepted guys: What is you level of experience?
total time and jet time if any ?!

difrips

28th March 2007, 10:03

Hi there,

just for your info:

5500TT
5000Hrs+ on heavy jet ( A320/330/340)

When I did my interview, 50% where very experienced guys, mostly military. The other half wjere low houred guys with turbo prop experience.

I think that the new deal did the trick, more experienced people are joining.

TreeGreen

28th March 2007, 10:33

New here and would like some info if anybody has. WRT flying with NJE what is the situation with having an ICAO ATPL with the right to live and work in EU countries, will they look at this and are they willing to allow you to get a 1 year Validation whilst getting the JAR subjects while flying for them or have they stopped that all together now? Time wise I have more than meet there requirements.

efis78

28th March 2007, 15:03

Hi there,

I have 2000TT and 1300 on the A320.

As for the validation...I don't believe they'll let you fly with that anymore, but my best call would be to call the portuguese CAA at +351218423500

Regards,

Efis

rotorknight

28th March 2007, 15:35

Hi,

I have received the best call you can get which is the the long awaited yes call from Lisbon:ok:

Cheers to you all

efis78

28th March 2007, 15:38

Congrats! Do u know in wich Indoc u'll be in?

Regards,

Efis

TreeGreen

28th March 2007, 16:26

Thanks EFIS

rotorknight

28th March 2007, 17:57

Hi Efis,

I'll be in INDOC in June

Cheers

Bonzoboy

29th March 2007, 11:29

Hi Guys

I have got my assessment day coming up very soon. If I am successful does anybody know what will be the earliest INDOC.....are they looking at June July or could it be earlier?

Also.....does NJE operate any kind of pension fund?

Thanks

aviatn

30th March 2007, 06:36

Hi everyone,
since Netjets seems to have hired a substantial number of pilots in the past couple of month I would be keen to find out what their requirements in terms of pilots are? Is the situation still as rosy as it was at the beginning of the year or has it eased somewhat?
I too would like to apply, but will have to wait a couple of weeks for the issuance of my converted ATPL.
Thanks for any info.

papazulu

31st March 2007, 12:37

Hello gents

I don't now if it's all gloom & doom but I feel there is a different atmosphere down there ant NJE headquaters. nice to read some positive comments and feeling the good mood of the new joiners. Hopefully it is as it seems and it will last!

I wonder if anyone can provide the HR contact name and number (PM would be better for pryvacy reasons...). I think it was a lady in charge of the dept. her name's initial being C....n?

Thanks in advance to those who can help

Best luck

PZ :ok:

jeanjambre

31st March 2007, 19:13

Hi all,

I'm starting the Indoc on April 16th and I would like ta have some suggestions about many things.
For example should I prepare some subjects?
Or do I need something especial during the training?
Or any other suggestions will be very appreciated.
Thanks for the help of everyone here.

Best to all
Ciao jeanjambre

Norwegian

1st April 2007, 10:28

Gentlemen,

Does anyone know how many pilots NetJets have total, between 1500hrs and 3000hrs. I am trying to asess the potential of how long to command upgrade.

Is the company willing to let their pilots live by another airport than the "Gateways" as long as there is an International airport with good Intl. connections?

How is vacation sorted out? when do you get it, thru the whole year or in the summer months?

Is it true that part of their interview is done by the phone?

Best rgds.

Fly me to the moon

1st April 2007, 10:47

Don't know for the number of pilots , but I can confirm that you'll be called for a first interview on phone. Standard questions: Why NJE, your experience... Plus some technical stuff: Segments, or what is V2, or Fuel policy... They can call you very very quickly if they are interested, so be ready to be called back from the moment you click "send" !!! Anyway, you'll have to be up to date with all Jar ops stuff & perfos for the interview, so open your books ! If you can't answer their question on phone, they will offer you to answer thrue oral multiple choise answer !!
I guess this call is to assess your English level first !
Think that many experienced guys are joining NJE by now ! I've been hired (But not yet in) The queue to captain is not restricted to pilot under 3000h.... Many people with 5000 or more are joining too ! 5 of my friends are joining too with heavy flight log !! Hope some guys from inside will give you an idea of the list if you're bellow 3000h.
Good luck !:ok: