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Old 4th Apr 2024, 13:57
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
The bulk of learning should be done out of the aeroplane, with slides, white/blackboard presentations, videos, dialogue with your instructor in briefings.

The flying part is then to consolidate that, ensure it sticks and can be applied, and then move on.

Books are a lousy way to learn anything, just a good way to store knowledge. I don't encourage my students to use books as their main source of learning, albeit that they are a vital part of the mix.

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^^^ This ^^^

Learning is mostly done outside the airplane, practice is mostly done inside the airplane.
Thousands of teaching techniques.
Sometimes I’d have a student walk the traffic pattern in the parking lot and make all the appropriate radio calls, towered or non-towered.

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Old 4th Apr 2024, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
The bulk of learning should be done out of the aeroplane, with slides, white/blackboard presentations, videos, dialogue with your instructor in briefings.
The flying part is then to consolidate that, ensure it sticks and can be applied, and then move on.
Books are a lousy way to learn anything, just a good way to store knowledge. I don't encourage my students to use books as their main source of learning, albeit that they are a vital part of the mix.
Too much of an over simplification in my view Genghis. For some people it is best to learn by doing and then to consolidate from ground study when the words will have greater meaning. A very short and to the point pre-flight briefing will enhance the lesson for most: this is what we are going to do, how we are going to do it and finally the aim. Lawings could be someone who continuously wants to race ahead and enjoys study but is prone to running before he can walk and unwitting skips important elements. I do not allow my students to move onto Ex 6 until they demonstrate a grip on the effects of controls (primary and further), effects of speed and power. Until they do you might as well be talking Chinese.
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Old 4th Apr 2024, 14:49
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The vast majority of published pedagogical research agrees with myself and B2N2 with regard to learning, then reinforcing in the air. You're of-course absolutely right that subsequent post-flight consolidation on the ground is *also* essential.

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Old 4th Apr 2024, 15:10
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One of the first questions I ask a student is why do you want to learn how to fly ? Career or fun ?
Do you want to rent an aircraft or buy ?
Knowing the goals helps .
The focus on solo can take away the more important comfort level targets . How comfortable are you flying for coffee at another airport ?
It is far more important to achieve comfort in the safe use of the aircraft than artificial progress markers .
If I was supervising this training, I might be concerned that your questions were not answered in the post flight debriefing. Allowing you to be better prepared for the next pre-flight briefing .
As Aristotle once observed , ask the right question get the right answer .
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Old 8th Apr 2024, 02:12
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Reading over your issue I find multiple areas that could use a detailed airing involving both you and your instructors.
This considered I believe I can tell you that you will seldom find a single answer on a forum like this one that if implemented solves the issue.
I could sit here and go on and on addressing specific aspects of your problem but I doubt that would reveal any positive result.
What I have done here is include some data based on years of experience teaching instructors to instruct properly that if read and studied just might point you in a positive direction and give you some idea of what to expect from a flight instructor who is doing the job correctly.
By approaching the problem from this direction and mentally linking this data to your issues there is a chance the information might provide a positive result.
Anyway.........it's a shot across the bow that might address the meat involved with your problem.
Best of luck BTW. I hope you manage to get things under control.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vDL...usp=drive_link

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Old 8th Apr 2024, 07:11
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As a new to instructing instructor, resources that share the experiences of others and their knowledge are so useful for the wider flying community, thanks for sharing,
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